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Allefgib said:
Can someone confirm a score involvement occurs for anyone involved in a passage of play where you're team retains possession the whole time and then your team scores?

That's my understanding.

e.g. a kick in from full back through multiple sets of hands that goes end to end and results in a goal is a score involvement for everyone in the team who had a possession in that chain of play?
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Good point mate, which negates mine about being 2nd in the chain.
 
hunteyes said:
More just a reader and don't often post here but his use of the ball has honestly been disgraceful! I've always been a Mackay fan but all he does these days is just kick long regardless of whether it is to our advantage or not. It doesn't matter if he gets it a bit if he wastes it every time. His tackling is also not up to standard despite being 10th, if it were effective tackles I'm sure he'd be a lot lower.

I'm not a Mackay hater but regardless of his stats, we've now got better options and I want to see a Cameron or Knight take his place.
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Tackles are recorded when a player stops an opposition player with possession of the ball from getting his kick or handball away in a legal manner. The tacklers action must change the course of play. A tackle will be recorded if a player is legally pushed off his kick or handball resulting in that possession going directly to the opposition or out of bounds on the full. Tackles are NOT recorded if laid in a scrimmage play and / or gang tackles and results in a ball up. A tackle is NOT recorded when in laying a tackle illegally a free kick is conceded.

- Champion Data

There is no such thing as an effective or ineffective tackle according to this definition. Mackay is equal 7th for tackles this year at the club, and is doing very well in this area. You can't just pretend that his tackles aren't real tackles to suit your argument.

VSTone said:
i find it interesting that he's the number 1 on inside 50's yet only 7th on Assists and 8th on score involvements
and near last on effective disposal...

in short this screams - gets it and hacks it long into the forward line - sando style footy
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Mackay is currently averaging 5.5 Inside 50s per game this year. This places him equal 7th across the league in this stat. Put in perspective, this would have seen him lead this stat last year. The top 7 for inside 50s last year and their average goal assists are below.

J. Steven: 5.45 I50s & 0.77 goal assists per game
D. Pearce: 5.3 & 0.52
L. Montagna: 5.29 & 0.35
P. Dangerfield: 4.96 & 0.65
M. Bontempelli: 4.86 & 0.71
D. Hannerbury: 4.67 & 0.38
D. Swan: 4.62 & 0.76

D. Mackay (2016): 5.5 & 0.75

Put simply, his ratio of inside 50s to goal assists is very good - and actually much better than some guns of the competition from last year. Obviously he needs to maintain these numbers but again, his stats are very good this year and I'm not actually convinced that Knight/Menzel/Cameron etc. are necessarily better bets at the moment... I'm shocked too, but credit where credit is due, he's doing well this year.

I wish I had score involvement stats from last year too...
 
We all have our whipping boys. I am still waiting for them to drop Thompson as he is reckless and undisciplined. If he can get that out of his game he will play 300 games


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Hi Miss Vanessa If i understand you right he's (Mackay) bringing the ball in 5.5 times a game? and then that leads to 0.75 goals - so a 13.6% chance of a DMac entry leading to a goal?... how does this compare to the others in the team... out of interest... if you have it the chance?
who is the bloke we want hitting up the targets in the forward 50? (i50's to goal assists)...interesting stuff you are looking at
 
VSTone said:
i find it interesting that he's the number 1 on inside 50's yet only 7th on Assists and 8th on score involvements
and near last on effective disposal...

in short this screams - gets it and hacks it long into the forward line - sando style footy
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To be fair to DMac, he has a role in the current side. The Phil Walsh and Sando teams were about winning contested possession at all costs and at the expense of almost anything else. There was no premium on skill, running fast and carrying the ball. This year, the game plan is about skill, speed and carry with quick movement forward. DMac is quite good at those things (besides the skill bit).

I have been a bit of a DMac hater (and really hated our low skill, turnover/clanger game), but this year is gold. DMac is playing his part. Some of his game is pretty close to elite (I50, metres gained). Unfortunately he still has the ability to turn the ball over with clangers - but you can excuse this if the positives make up for it. At 150ish games, his 15 possessions per game, 3 clangers and 4 missed tackles were unacceptable. This year he is doing what he can do - run fast with the ball, so is getting metres gained and I50s.

I would not have given him a 4 year contract, but I don't think he is keeping anyone younger/better out of the side at the moment who can do what he does well.
 
VSTone said:
Hi Miss Vanessa If i understand you right he's (Mackay) bringing the ball in 5.5 times a game? and then that leads to 0.75 goals - so a 13.6% chance of a DMac entry leading to a goal?... how does this compare to the others in the team... out of interest... if you have it the chance?
who is the bloke we want hitting up the targets in the forward 50? (i50's to goal assists)...interesting stuff you are looking at
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Our top ten inside 50 players and their goal assist ratios are as follows:

1. J. Lyons 4.50:2.0 - 44% chance of a goal
2. R. Sloane 3.25:1.5 - 38%
3. R. Atkins 3.00:0.5 - 17%
4. S. Thompson 4.75:0.75 - 16%
5. T. Lynch 4.33:0.67 - 15%
6. D. Mackay 5.5:0.75 - 14%
7. B Smith 4.25:0.5 - 12%
8-10 M. Crouch, R. Douglas, T. Walker 3.25:0.25 - 8%
 
Thank you MV. Those stats really surprise. I expected Smith to be higher and Seedsman to be top 10. Even Lynch is lower than I expected as well

Always interesting
 
GreyCrow said:
Thank you MV. Those stats really surprise. I expected Smith to be higher and Seedsman to be top 10. Even Lynch is lower than I expected as well

Always interesting
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Seedsman is 12th for inside 50s (2.75 per game) and currently provides 0.5 assists per game - or 18% chance of a goal per inside 50.
 
Hi Miss Vanessa can we look at it for the other top10 (the goal assist ratios top ten) and then do the stat i50 to goal assist ratio... is what i was looking for ...sorry if i wasn't clear...
 
According to the AFL website the average across the competition is 52.9 I50s per game and 13.5 goals per game...therefore the average 'conversion rate' from I50 to goal is ~26%. By comparison we're generating 57.5 I50/game and scoring 17.8 goals/game for a conversion rate of 31%.

Those rates look quite high compared to the by player list from Miss Vanessa above and I'm guessing the difference is goals that are scored directly from outside 50...I'm not sure how they're marked from a stats POV.
 
Coaches Votes after rd 4

Round Four Leaderboard
29 – Luke Parker (Sydney)
28 – Tom Lynch (Gold Coast)
23 – Sam Mitchell (Hawthorn)
22 – Jack Viney (Melbourne)
22 – Jack Ziebell (North Melbourne)
21 – Patrick Dangerfield (Geelong)
21 – Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide)
20 – Todd Goldstein (North Melbourne)
20 – Aaron Hall (Gold Coast)
19 – Matt Priddis (West Coast)

Crows
15 – Eddie Betts
13 – Rory Sloane
10 – Scott Thompson
10 – Tom Lynch
9 – Brodie Smith
6 – Josh Jenkins
5 – Luke Brown
5 – Rory Laird
3 – Kyle Cheney
3 – Richard Douglas
1 – Daniel Talia
 
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Bob Neil said:
According to the AFL website the average across the competition is 52.9 I50s per game and 13.5 goals per game...therefore the average 'conversion rate' from I50 to goal is ~26%. By comparison we're generating 57.5 I50/game and scoring 17.8 goals/game for a conversion rate of 31%.

Those rates look quite high compared to the by player list from Miss Vanessa above and I'm guessing the difference is goals that are scored directly from outside 50...I'm not sure how they're marked from a stats POV.
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Players like Jenkins, Betts and Milera have a high goal assist per game average but a relatively low inside 50 count - given they do most of their work in the forward 50. I think Jenkins has about a 60% ratio while Betts has a 55% ratio of inside 50s to goal assists. Plus, a number of goals don't actually correspond to an assist - think Betts's tackle, holding the ball and goal from Saturday night. So I'm pretty sure that's where the discrepancy comes from.
 
Danoz said:
29 – Luke Parker (Sydney)
28 – Tom Lynch (Gold Coast)
23 – Sam Mitchell (Hawthorn)
22 – Jack Viney (Melbourne)
22 – Jack Ziebell (North Melbourne)
21 – Patrick Dangerfield (Geelong)
21 – Robbie Gray (Port Adelaide)
20 – Todd Goldstein (North Melbourne)
20 – Aaron Hall (Gold Coast)
19 – Matt Priddis (West Coast)
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Jeffcrowe said:
Jenkins game probably a bit underrated on weekend - had plenty hits to advantage and 10 score involvements

And shook Kieran Jack off pretty easily

Hartigan's intercept and intercept mark stats are bl00dy impressive

Sign that he's growing in confidence - hence the better decision making and kicking that follows
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How many hit outs to advantage did he have?
 
Miss Vanessa said:
Tackles are recorded when a player stops an opposition player with possession of the ball from getting his kick or handball away in a legal manner. The tacklers action must change the course of play. A tackle will be recorded if a player is legally pushed off his kick or handball resulting in that possession going directly to the opposition or out of bounds on the full. Tackles are NOT recorded if laid in a scrimmage play and / or gang tackles and results in a ball up. A tackle is NOT recorded when in laying a tackle illegally a free kick is conceded.

- Champion Data

There is no such thing as an effective or ineffective tackle according to this definition. Mackay is equal 7th for tackles this year at the club, and is doing very well in this area. You can't just pretend that his tackles aren't real tackles to suit your argument.



Mackay is currently averaging 5.5 Inside 50s per game this year. This places him equal 7th across the league in this stat. Put in perspective, this would have seen him lead this stat last year. The top 7 for inside 50s last year and their average goal assists are below.

J. Steven: 5.45 I50s & 0.77 goal assists per game
D. Pearce: 5.3 & 0.52
L. Montagna: 5.29 & 0.35
P. Dangerfield: 4.96 & 0.65
M. Bontempelli: 4.86 & 0.71
D. Hannerbury: 4.67 & 0.38
D. Swan: 4.62 & 0.76

D. Mackay (2016): 5.5 & 0.75

Put simply, his ratio of inside 50s to goal assists is very good - and actually much better than some guns of the competition from last year. Obviously he needs to maintain these numbers but again, his stats are very good this year and I'm not actually convinced that Knight/Menzel/Cameron etc. are necessarily better bets at the moment... I'm shocked too, but credit where credit is due, he's doing well this year.

I wish I had score involvement stats from last year too...
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According to that definition, there's no way that happens 80+ times per game for each team like Saturday night's tackle stats show. Maybe it's not counted by champion data but there is a massive difference between a tackle and effective tackle. In my opinion, an effective tackle is one that results in disposessing the ball from the opponent or one that results in a ball up/holding the ball free kick. If he was top 7 in that i'd be amazed.
 

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I'll add the individual breakdown of hitouts to my next update for you all too... I'll even throw in the breakdown of where we are getting and giving away our free kicks.
 
Miss Vanessa said:
He has definitely improved his ruck work though and is up to 6.5 hit outs a game - close to double his output from the last few years.
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He's definitely being more competitive in there - even saw him jump in and complete a tackle to hold it in

Work in progress
 

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