Player Watch Steele Sidebottom

[76woodenspooners]

I see absolutely no reason why we couldn't.

It all depends on the state of the salary cap.

I reckon it's now as tight as a drum, and with a lot of up and coming players who will be needing a pay rise. I think the only way we could afford Steele is if either (1) he is a very generous lad who will play for Collingwood for significantly under the market rate or (2) we sign him up on a very long term contract.

You clearly disagree with that assessment, and that's cool.

And neither of us has any real idea about the state of our salary cap.

 

[AmellyPies]

He's getting a four year deal and put your house on it.

 

[Apex36]

It all depends on the state of the salary cap.

I reckon it's now as tight as a drum, and with a lot of up and coming players who will be needing a pay rise. I think the only way we could afford Steele is if either (1) he is a very generous lad who will play for Collingwood for significantly under the market rate or (2) we sign him up on a very long term contract.

You clearly disagree with that assessment, and that's cool.

And neither of us has any idea about the real state of the salary cap.

You're correct in saying that we're making assumptions about the state of the salary cap, however, it's highly likely that many player contracts would have been front loaded after the departures of Thomas, Beams and even Lumumba, to free up cap room for the future. Whilst the totality of a contract such as Cloke's is huge, he could easily be on less than $500k this year in reality. The same goes for our other highly paid players.

Regardless of any of that though, given reports that contract negotiations for Steele are going well and he hopes to be signed before the season begins, I can't see him demanding 6 years. That's a number that the club would be extremely hesitant to commit to outside exceptional circumstances (i.e. Treloar) so I doubt they'd be so public about negotiations if that were the case.

 

[Jelly Bean]

And no doub we will pay him fairly
He is the likely the next captain, though it's a good few years away and Side would be captain for only a year or two. Then Moore or DeGoey or Treloar or Scharenberg or ??? Can fight it out

Wrong with all of them. Adams will be the next captain.

 

[Jelly Bean]

Funny that isn't it?
If not for his broken thumb round 1 2015, he would be a Copeland Medallist now.

I had heard a whisper that his contract extension was close to being done. This public admission only confirms it.
If, and when, this happens he will be a Pie for life.
I'm stoked about that.

The Copeland isn't a medal, it is a trophy.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

The Copeland isn't a medal, it is a trophy.

It is indeed a trophy
But in a quirk of fate
Comes in the form of a medal

 

[Saintly Viewed]

The Copeland isn't a medal, it is a trophy.

Mr Bean

Here is the copeland medal picture with some unknown assailant

 

[Saintly Viewed]

The Copeland isn't a medal, it is a trophy.

Jelly

Then again....
our Captain Scott Pendlebury with his Copeland Trophy

 

[76woodenspooners]

You're correct in saying that we're making assumptions about the state of the salary cap, however, it's highly likely that many player contracts would have been front loaded after the departures of Thomas, Beams and even Lumumba, to free up cap room for the future. Whilst the totality of a contract such as Cloke's is huge, he could easily be on less than $500k this year in reality. The same goes for our other highly paid players.

It's going back a bit, but IIRC the reports at the time about Cloke's contract was that it was back ended?

Don't know, it's all speculation I guess.

Regardless of any of that though, given reports that contract negotiations for Steele are going well and he hopes to be signed before the season begins, I can't see him demanding 6 years. That's a number that the club would be extremely hesitant to commit to outside exceptional circumstances (i.e. Treloar) so I doubt they'd be so public about negotiations if that were the case.

Until a player comes out and says "Yeah, contract negotiations have stalled, the club is clearly taking the piss and low balling me. I'm gunna explore options elsewhere" ...

... I'm going to take any comments that come out of a player's mouth about their contract as nothing more than regurgitated media training.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Curious ...

... Cloke's fifth year of his contract (2017) is conditional. It's encumbered.

See the original article from back in 2012 announcing his current contract ... http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2012-09-27/travis-cloke-and-harry-obrien-pen-new-deals

... Any guesses of what that might be about?

 

[spartan-magpie]

4 year deal for Steele. Eventually he'll be our games record holder. I see Pendles nutting Tony Shaw, then Sidey will nut Pendles.

#sidebysidebottom

what about cloke?

 

[Scodog10]

Do you think we could afford him otherwise?

I'm not sure, but I hope so because I would be disappointed if we went as hard as we did at Treloar only to lose Sidebottom out the other end.

In the end for the same reason Swan never got a long term deal I think we'd be silly to offer Steele one and 3 years is about right, IMO.

 

[Black_White]

Curious ...

... Cloke's fifth year of his contract (2017) is conditional. It's encumbered.

See the original article from back in 2012 announcing his current contract ... http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2012-09-27/travis-cloke-and-harry-obrien-pen-new-deals

... Any guesses of what that might be about?

Can only think that's it's a clause that either player or club can invoke to end the contract.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

I think some are overrating Steele by comparing his situation with Treloar's, just as so many used to when comparing him to Beams.

Treloar is already comfortably better and is also quite a bit younger. He really is the next level up and also, we had to pay overs to get him on the open market. Completely different situations.

 

[Apex36]

It's going back a bit, but IIRC the reports at the time about Cloke's contract was that it was back ended?

Don't know, it's all speculation I guess.

Even if it was, it's not uncommon for payments to be changed to suit clubs needs to pay the TPP cap.

Until a player comes out and says "Yeah, contract negotiations have stalled, the club is clearly taking the piss and low balling me. I'm gunna explore options elsewhere" ...

... I'm going to take any comments that come out of a player's mouth about their contract as nothing more than regurgitated media training.

True, but I'm not referring to Steele's comments so much as the 'STEELE WANTS TO STAY' headline on the club website. The club itself seems very confident that Steele will re-sign sooner rather than later. It's a far cry from Scharenbergs re-signing last year when the club seemed very hesitant to say definitively that he was staying unless someone like Eddie was absolutely pushed in to saying it when flat out asked about it.

 

[sirlothie]

Curious ...

... Cloke's fifth year of his contract (2017) is conditional. It's encumbered.

See the original article from back in 2012 announcing his current contract ... http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2012-09-27/travis-cloke-and-harry-obrien-pen-new-deals

... Any guesses of what that might be about?

Maybe he needs to meet targets. This might have something to do why he is opening up negotiations now...

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I think some are overrating Steele by comparing his situation with Treloar's, just as so many used to when comparing him to Beams.

Treloar is already comfortably better and is also quite a bit younger. He really is the next level up and also, we had to pay overs to get him on the open market. Completely different situations.

Boris THIS
As good as Steele is, he's not the elite player Treloar is.
He's next level down

 

[TradeDraft]

Ps. We did give Treloar a six year deal, so those kind of deals are definitely on the table.

That be more for trying get Players away from there Club they are at. More then Offering to Players at your Own Club

 

[TradeDraft]

Less rotations will make him more valuable this season, the guy is a running machine.

Sure Will. With the Rule Change he come more Important

 

[TradeDraft]

Do you think we could afford him otherwise?

IF he wants to stay then he will ignore everything from Other Clubs and be happy with 4

 

[Jelly Bean]

Mr Bean

Here is the copeland medal picture with some unknown assailant

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It is a medal, but they aren't referred to as Medallsts.

It isn't the Copeland Medal, it is the Copeland Trophy.

 

[AmellyPies]

That be more for trying get Players away from there Club they are at. More then Offering to Players at your Own Club

Pendles pretty much got a 5 year deal...

 

[Saintly Viewed]

It is a medal, but they aren't referred to as Medallsts.

It isn't the Copeland Medal, it is the Copeland Trophy.

Yes, you are 100% correct,
But that shouldn't stop any opportunity to pay a big thank you to Mrs Pendlebury .... Trophy and all

 

[Jelly Bean]

Yes, you are 100% correct,
But that shouldn't stop any opportunity to pay a big thank you to Mrs Pendlebury .... Trophy and all

I'll thank her when she starts birthing future Collingwood champions. Still shattered Moore only had one son.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I'll thank her when she starts birthing future Collingwood champions. Still shattered Moore only had one son.

This is true.
We may see some new Daicos in a year or two.