Stephen Hill first impressions

[Selgae]

Hold up, Freo's drafting record post 1999 hasn't been that bad considering the picks at our disposal (Trading is another issue entirely).

Lets pretend for a moment that Freo's drafting is allot worse than most of the competition...What does that have to do with a club choosing to play it safe draft day?

Rich is no Judd or Ablett...Hill is closer to those types.

Rich is potentially a Kerr or Bartell type..

However way too early too call, lets remember we are TWO games into their careers...

How about west cost taking a punt on NickNat??? That sit well with you?

Typical eagle arrogance to dish out advice to the mob down the road that isn't good enough for their own team.

The Freo football club owe their supporters some success - their record as we all know speaks for itself. In my opinion they should have taken a safe pick in Rich over a specultative pick in Hill (again not saying Hill will not be good...)

It has been stated that WC knew Melbourne would not take Swift and therefore WC took Shoey... Well done Melbourne they are not in a position to take that risk with their current list...

The fact that Rich is a Kerr/Bartell type is beside the point... Freo do not have the luxury of giving up this type of player (few teams do? Maybe why Carlton didn't pick him...) It is a crazy/stupid argument!

I didn't really want to bring West Coast into this... Funny as a MOD you would do this... You have caused the Thread to go off topic which I thought was something you should prevent...

As for West Coast - I guess the Club owes the supporters a lot less than Freo and we are in a position to gamble a bit more as we have not turned over a quarter of the list like Freo did.

 

[Goosecat]

Why do Freo think they are in a position to choose a speculative pick... He may turn out great.. but why do it??? If it is one team that should not be taking any chances it is them...

Rich and Palmer for the next ten years... scary

I wonder why as well.

I actually hope it works out for Freo and Hill but it smacks of Freo "culture"

Risky coach choices, risky draft choices, risky colour , emblem and theme song choices. Freo has always been about taking a gamble and hoping it pays off rather then developing a culture of " doing the hard yards " and reaping the resultant benefits.

It is their way and as yet the gambling ledger remains in negative territory.

I guess Freo as an entity, encouraged by the AFL to distinguish themselves from the Eagles will always have a higher then average amount of "risk" attached to their decision making processes.

I've never really got into gambling. I have this thought process that says the house always has the advantage, thats how they make their money, so you're behind the 8 ball to begin with. Why go there?

Another mate described his penchant for gambling as a hobby. He knows the risks and the odds are stacked against him but it's just a hobby and no worse then me spending money on booze, boat fuel and bait to go fishing.

I guess if you are happy treating success in the AFL competition as a hobby then Freo and their supporters have nothing to worry about.

 

[Archimedes]

Pathetic post? Hardly. Just because you supposedly don't subscribe to the 'masten is shit, palmer is ghod' school of thought, doesn't mean that many of your supporters don't. I didn't even claim hipocrisy was exclusively 'fremantle', i just rightly stated that such a contradiction by many of your freo brethren was hipocrisy.

It was pathetic in its nature because you had no other intention on a thread about a Freo player than to insult Fremantle and the Fremantle supporters. I honestly don't give a second thought to Masten or any West Coast players, if you believe that or not I don't care. I find on a week your team wins the need to insult an opposition team (not on bay 13, which is expected) pathetic and your insecurities laughable.

 

[Dock_king]

Freo has always been about taking a gamble...

Taking Hill is not a gamble when you believe he will be the best player available at Pick 3.

Being only 69kg he has a fair way to go before he shows what he can do.

And although Masten is a very average footballer to date he needs time, he was never going to have the immediate impact Palmer had.

 

[Truetiger]

Time will tell.
You cant write players off after one season.

Its difficult for Hinkley, Hill and Suban to get huge numbers sitting on the bench and playing bit roles off HB and HF.

Spot on. I like Hill he will be a good player thats clear. However as others have said not always do young players step up at AFL level and have an in pact straight away. I also have him in my supercoach side. It is very clear his skills are very good when ever he does get it. Give the kid time and he will show everyone how good he really is

 

[Embers]

What are you talking about? How exactly is your group of young midfielders any stronger than ours.

Palmer, Ibbotson, Schammer, Mundy, Suban, Hill and Johnson is a decent list of young midfielders that can hold their own...I fail see how the eagles have a wealth of midfield talent which doesn't need work.

Amazing, even as both clubs struggle there is a refusal amongst the west coast community to acknowledge freo at all...



Palmer/Masten have a year under their belt..Any comment about Hill's lacking is ridiculous compared to even that

However I have not come to any conclusion regarding these players, apart from maybe my opinion on Masten as a person.

In all my years on Bigfooty this is one of the most ridiculous posts ive ever read. Lets write that one down. Would the people of Bigfooty rather

C: Mundy Palmer Ibbotson
R: Clarke Schammer Hill

Rotation : Suban Johnson Hinkley Mayne

or

C: Hurn Priddis A.Selwood
R: Natanui Masten Ebert

Rotation : Swift S.Selwood Butler LeCras Waters Shuey McNamara etc.

Not to mention the fact Eagles have a ton of young KPP coming through the ranks like Mitch Brown, McKenzie, Kennedy, Spangher, McKinley etc whereas Freos youngest KPP is Ryan Murphy at the young age of 24. Its a no brainer really. Freo drafted in 14 youngsters for a reason. Before that they had no youngsters whatsoever. ATM Freo are at a stage BEFORE the rebuild occurs. Another 3-5 years before Freos are finals contenders again IMO

 

[CatFan79]

Promising and talented yet inconsistent and lazy. Will fit right in at Freo!

 

[sabre_ac]

In all my years on Bigfooty this is one of the most ridiculous posts ive ever read. Lets write that one down. Would the people of Bigfooty rather

C: Mundy Palmer Ibbotson
R: Clarke Schammer Hill

Rotation : Suban Johnson Hinkley Mayne

or

C: Hurn Priddis A.Selwood
R: Natanui Masten Ebert

I dropped out of this thread because I realised it was starting to get off topic...However calling my post ridiculous highlights your insane bias.

I'm going to ignore the players you mentioned yet to get a game of obvious hacks....Natanui can remain as most people know what kind of a talent he is.

Selwood, Hurn and Priddis are nothing more than pure plodders...Considering Priddis's experience he remains an average player.

I would add Ebert to the plodder list but there may still be hope for him.

Masten thus far has shown next to nothing, but granted NickNat looks a talent.

If you compare them to the freo starting group...

I'll take Palmer over Priddis any day of the week
Mundy over Hurn
Ibbotson over the rubbish selwood
Hill over Ebert
Schammer vs Masten? On paper Masten looks the better player, but Schammer has the runs on the board earlier and will not be a constant off field liabilty.

Congratulations you get NickNat over Clarke

 

[Embers]

I dropped out of this thread because I realised it was starting to get off topic...However calling my post ridiculous highlights your insane bias.

I'm going to ignore the players you mentioned yet to get a game of obvious hacks....Natanui can remain as most people know what kind of a talent he is.

Selwood, Hurn and Priddis are nothing more than pure plodders...Considering Priddis's experience he remains an average player.

I would add Ebert to the plodder list but there may still be hope for him.

Masten thus far has shown next to nothing, but granted NickNat looks a talent.

If you compare them to the freo starting group...

I'll take Palmer over Priddis any day of the week
Mundy over Hurn
Ibbotson over the rubbish selwood
Hill over Ebert
Schammer vs Masten? On paper Masten looks the better player, but Schammer has the runs on the board earlier and will not be a constant off field liabilty.

Congratulations you get NickNat over Clarke

Why is this troll a mod. I think every person on planet Earth. Garrick Ibbotsons mum inclided would take Selwood over him. Did you miss his game last week? 33 possies.

Masten is 5 times the player Schammer is. Thats just fact. Dont deny it

Hurn is alot better then Mundy. Put a poll on the polls board and I think you would 80% of people would agree. Hes one of the best kicks of the footy in the game and hard at it. Deadset gun and IMO one of the rising stars in the game. In reality and based on performance and ability to improve its

Mundy < Hurn
Palmer > Priddis
Garrick < Selwood
Clarke < Natanui
Schammer < Masten
Hill < Ebert

Id give you one personally with Ebert and Hill being a close race, but Ebert ahead based on pure likelyness to be a 200+ game player. When you add to the fact we have alot more midfield depth with most of them walk up starts in Freos team atm. Swift, Butler, Scooter would all be in Freos best 18 atm. I also forgot Rosa in all of this not to mention.

Add to the fact Eagles young KPPs absolutely destroy Freos and there is no denying the fact Eagles are alot further developed as a side then Fremantle. Even Harvey would have the guts to admit that

 

[Eagle87]

I dropped out of this thread because I realised it was starting to get off topic...However calling my post ridiculous highlights your insane bias.

I'm going to ignore the players you mentioned yet to get a game of obvious hacks....Natanui can remain as most people know what kind of a talent he is.

Selwood, Hurn and Priddis are nothing more than pure plodders...Considering Priddis's experience he remains an average player.

I would add Ebert to the plodder list but there may still be hope for him.

Masten thus far has shown next to nothing, but granted NickNat looks a talent.

If you compare them to the freo starting group...

I'll take Palmer over Priddis any day of the week
Mundy over Hurn
Ibbotson over the rubbish selwood
Hill over Ebert
Schammer vs Masten? On paper Masten looks the better player, but Schammer has the runs on the board earlier and will not be a constant off field liabilty.

Congratulations you get NickNat over Clarke

More Mod trolling?

I suppose you "accidentally" left off the bottom line of his post which included Swift S.Selwood Butler LeCras Waters Shuey McNamara?

For the record, Ebert is way better than a plodder - he was bottom age last year and is still only a couple of months older than a Rich coming off a major groin surgery. He was in our best in the win v Adelaide last year and as such has shown more than most at Freo.

Lets do a proper comparison - based on age lets compare Selwood to Schammer - no contest for Adam based on 3 times Top 5 in the B&F including a premiership year.

I would take Palmer over Priddis too - because Priddis is ordinary.

I wouldnt take Mundy over Hurn and I suspect you will be of the same mind during this season.

Ibbo over Butler? Well, on performance in their first 4 years on the list this isnt close (Butler by a mile) - of course Butler has had injury problems since, so it may be closer now.

Ebert over ....??? You are getting thin on the ground now.

Rosa over ... ??? Same problem

Masten over Hill - at this stage easily.

Swift, Shuey, S Selwood over ...??? Again, who is left? Mayne??

Natanui is clearly better than anything you have thats young and tall.

Of course I have ignored Cockie, Davis, McNamara, Houlihan, Schofield, LeCras (who runs through there at times)......

The point of this diversion was that you couldnt afford a risk pick at 3 because you have no depth in young players running through your midfield. We can afford the risk because we have excellent depth in young mids of which 4 (excluding Nat) have been picked up in the Top 22 in the last 2 seasons. You have drafted 2, one of which is potentially a Peter Matera type or potentially a tall Richard Tambling i.e. a high risk pick. You could have had Rich who is almost certain to be a 200 game high quality mid.

You reckon your depth in the midfield is sufficient to have rolled the dice in that regard?

 

[Embers]

I probably should of taken Priddis out and put Rosa on a wing Eagle87. A blooper on my part I guess. In the end of the day Swift will overtake him in the next year or two. Anyone who has watched a Claremont game this year would tell ya Swift is a good shout for the Sandover hes been that good

 

[sabre_ac]

Why is this troll a mod. I think every person on planet Earth. Garrick Ibbotsons mum inclided would take Selwood over him. Did you miss his game last week? 33 possies.

Masten is 5 times the player Schammer is. Thats just fact. Dont deny it

Hurn is alot better then Mundy. Put a poll on the polls board and I think you would 80% of people would agree. Hes one of the best kicks of the footy in the game and hard at it. Deadset gun and IMO one of the rising stars in the game. In reality and based on performance and ability to improve its

Mundy < Hurn
Palmer > Priddis
Garrick < Selwood
Clarke < Natanui
Schammer < Masten
Hill < Ebert

Id give you one personally with Ebert and Hill being a close race, but Ebert ahead based on pure likelyness to be a 200+ game player. When you add to the fact we have alot more midfield depth with most of them walk up starts in Freos team atm. Swift, Butler, Scooter would all be in Freos best 18 atm. I also forgot Rosa in all of this not to mention.

Add to the fact Eagles young KPPs absolutely destroy Freos and there is no denying the fact Eagles are alot further developed as a side then Fremantle. Even Harvey would have the guts to admit that

Eagles remind me allot of freo in the late 90's, youthful list..However mainly just plodders with few game breakers. I realise its going to be a lean year for both clubs, though take it from someone with allot of experience in the matter...Don't look for something that isn't there, you just end up resenting the player when he doesn't become the next C Judd.

Your presuming that youth equates to endless potential, you need to break it down and look at who is out there.

Has swift even played a game yet? At this stage Suban > Swift
Butler certainly would not get a game in the freo line up, and I'm not sure who you mean by scooter.

What has Masten shown? Other than his love of a good brawl in locations around Perth? Schammer in his first few season's has shown allot more than Masten thus far.

Hurn is a lovely kick, but nothing more...You guys get prematurely excited when he does one or two good things ever month or so....


Most people would take

Hill, Ibbotson, Palmer, Mundy and Schammer over Ebert, Masten, Priddis, Selwood and Hurn.

I leave NickNat out because again he is yet to play a game and people seem to consider him the second coming, which would throw allot of opinions.

 

[sabre_ac]

Guy's stop naming players yet to play a game, add's nothing to your arguement.

I don't care how much you have pumped them up on your own board either.

 

[sabre_ac]

The point of this diversion was that you couldnt afford a risk pick at 3 because you have no depth in young players running through your midfield. We can afford the risk because we have excellent depth in young mids of which 4 (excluding Nat) have been picked up in the Top 22 in the last 2 seasons. You have drafted 2, one of which is potentially a Peter Matera type or potentially a tall Richard Tambling i.e. a high risk pick. You could have had Rich who is almost certain to be a 200 game high quality mid.

You reckon your depth in the midfield is sufficient to have rolled the dice in that regard?

This is the last time I am addressing the point...

How incredibly arrogant to have a go at freo for rolling the dice on a high draft pick in the same draft the eagles did exactly the same thing. Again, a young midfield does not equate to a midfield of endless possibility.


Are you another eagle supporter suggesting freo should trade Pavlich? Yet wouldn't dare consider the eagles trade Cox?

It's amazing how hypocritical some west coast supporters are.

 

[Underdog]

How incredibly arrogant to have a go at freo for rolling the dice on a high draft pick in the same draft the eagles did exactly the same thing. Again, a young midfield does not equate to a midfield of endless possibility.

How is Naitanui a risk? At the very worst he is a very good tap ruckman who tackles like a madman and can pinch hit in key positions.

 

[Memories]

This is the last time I am addressing the point...

How incredibly arrogant to have a go at freo for rolling the dice on a high draft pick in the same draft the eagles did exactly the same thing. Again, a young midfield does not equate to a midfield of endless possibility.

At least they have a young midfield though, we don't. So arguing about this is rather stupid as theirs least has a chance to come good, ours won't until we draft some more midfielders over the next 2 years. I'm still amazed you think it's good we didn't get any decent midfielders in the last draft, it kinda implies you think what we have there is good enough to be left alone.... we have 2 young players in there, with one possible in Hill. One of those young players isn't even playing in the midfield this year, so it's dubious.

 

[Embers]

Guy's stop naming players yet to play a game, add's nothing to your arguement.

I don't care how much you have pumped them up on your own board either.

What are you on about. Swift and Natanui are the only ones yet to debut. Suban is only playing because of how ordinary the rest of your list is. The fact Andrew Browne gets a game is proof enough isnt it?

Cox and Kerr arnt big enough gamebreakers for ya or something? We have the experience and in time I think youngsters like Natanui, Swift and even the likes of Hurn and Masten have gamebreakers written all over them.

No idea how you got Masten is a ordinary footballer. Hes favorite for the Rising star for a reason. Averaging 21 possession and 5 clearances per game so far this year. What more do you expect from a 19 year old who didn take part in pre season

 

[hoss]

Geez there's some thick people commenting in this thread. You had me in tears of laughter Embers Fremantle and West coast both thought there were risks associated with taking Rich... the main question mark being his work ethic. Both West Coast and Freo knew there were also risks associated with taking Natanui and Hill over Rich, but they were risks they were prepared to take. Time will tell, just as time will tell us whether Palmer or Masten is the more successful footballer.

All I can say at this point is that Hill's AFL career has been more successful that NicNat's.

 

[Embers]

Geez there's some thick people commenting in this thread. You had me in tears of laughter Embers Fremantle and West coast both thought there were risks associated with taking Rich... the main question mark being his work ethic. Both West Coast and Freo knew there were also risks associated with taking Natanui and Hill over Rich, but they were risks they were prepared to take. Time will tell, just as time will tell us whether Palmer or Masten is the more successful footballer.

All I can say at this point is that Hill's AFL career has been more successful that NicNat's.

Not by much though which is the scary part

 

[hoss]

Dear Freo fans,

Would just like to know if the "stephen hill needs more time, rich was always going to start off better" rule also applies to masten and palmer, or does it only apply when it suits you? And where can i get a subscription to hipocrisy weekly?
Yours sincerely,
BS

Perhaps from the same shop that you'll find a subscription to My Spelling Workbook 1.

 

[sabre_ac]

How is Naitanui a risk? At the very worst he is a very good tap ruckman who tackles like a madman and can pinch hit in key positions.

Are you taking the piss out of me now?

Hill tackles like a madman....Can pinch hit in the forward line and is a very good kick.

You have just rehashed draft profiles.....Do all eagle supporters honestly believe that NickNat wasn't a risky pick?

Yet for some reason taking Hill instead of Rich is in a league of its own?

 

[Embers]

This is the last time I am addressing the point...

How incredibly arrogant to have a go at freo for rolling the dice on a high draft pick in the same draft the eagles did exactly the same thing. Again, a young midfield does not equate to a midfield of endless possibility.


Are you another eagle supporter suggesting freo should trade Pavlich? Yet wouldn't dare consider the eagles trade Cox?

It's amazing how hypocritical some west coast supporters are.

How incredily arrogant do you have to be to accuse others of believing media hype and then falling for it yourself

Contrary to popular belief Natanui was about as low risk as it gets. He will either be a deadset star/freak or a decent tap ruckman. Either way hes gonna be doing something. Same cant be said for Hill. If he hasnt made it in 4-5 years time he will be delisted.

 

[hoss]

Not by much though which is the scary part

In disposals, longevity, tackles, goals etc.. at least 1000% better.

 

[Embers]

Are you taking the piss out of me now?

Hill tackles like a madman....Can pinch hit in the forward line and is a very good kick.

You have just rehashed draft profiles.....Do all eagle supporters honestly believe that NickNat wasn't a risky pick?

Yet for some reason taking Hill instead of Rich is in a league of its own?

Clutching at straws if those are his positives. He wasnt recruited to tackle like a madman. He was recruited for his pace and evasiveness. Something he has shown little of so far.

Pinch hit in the forward line my ass. Hes taken one mark in 2 games and that was a uncontested cheapie on the wing. Hes also mad man tackled 3 times and has lower disposal efficiency then the ordinary Chris Masten. Add to the fact hes only kicked the thing 3 times...

 

[sabre_ac]

How incredily arrogant do you have to be to accuse others of believing media hype and then falling for it yourself

Contrary to popular belief Natanui was about as low risk as it gets. He will either be a deadset star/freak or a decent tap ruckman. Either way hes gonna be doing something. Same cant be said for Hill. If he hasnt made it in 4-5 years time he will be delisted.

Absolutely baffles me how West Coast supporters are having a go at Hill already....While NickNat is yet to play a game...

Why can't hill at the very least be a serviceable midfielder like NickNat a serviceable tap ruckmen?

I honestly don't understand what your basing your arguement on...Are we comparing both players to Rich or eachother now?