Steven Baker found guilty

[Chewy]

Today it occurred to me that the only time Steven Baker receives any publicity is when he is up at the tribunal, either as the defendant, or as the victim when someone retaliates to his "tagging" tactics. You never, ever hear about anything else he does. He had the chance to kick the winning goal after the siren vs Freo at Aurora stadium last year, but he missed.... TWICE. I don't mind Baker - he is tough and he is a goer - but really, taggers like him are a scourge on the game. I'm glad he's gone for 7 games. Tough t***ies.

During the Geelong vs Adelaide game, I heard Matthew Scarlett sledge Robert Shirley by saying, "You're nothing but a shit tagger"

He could've been speaking about Baker.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

It was offered and your dumbass QC couldn't join that dots hahah

"Although the case was referred directly to tribunal by the match review panel, O'Callagan said Baker had the option of pleading guilty and perhaps accepting a lesser penalty."l

JD owned again.

 

[Hawk-in-syd]

You can punch someone in the nose standing still.
I still don't see your point.

Like I said, show me where any player - ever - has been reported for blocking?
He didn't bump him?
Yeah right.
Of course you're more conversant with the law than our QC.

Making the same mistake your QC did, gold.

"any bump causing forceful contact to be made to an opponent’s head or neck will be reportable for rough conduct. Rough conduct is interpreted widely in relation to any contact which is unreasonable or unnecessary in the circumstances"

focus on the bold. Your QC would run rings around me with the law, but this isn't about the law it's about the rules of the AFL, and obviously he doesn't know jack about them. Maybe he sould stick to his areas of expertise that are Administrative Law (Judicial Review), Civil Liberties, Commercial Law, Criminal Law (Appellate), Criminal Law/Intervention/Compensation, Inquests, Licensing and Disciplinary Tribunals, Occupational Health and Safety, Personal Injuries, Professional Negligence. If you didn't have some knob QC representing you and instead somone who knows about AFL you would have got him off.

 

[astro_toby]

No one that actually saw the incident believes that he should get 7 weeks (Unless the most bias supporters) the neutral fans who were there think he should have got off, the on ly people who seem to think he got what he deserved were the deadbeats who even though they didn't see it still think that Baker threw an elbow... worst decision ever it's absolutely ****ed

yet he received 7 weeks from the tribunal and the appeals board - go figure?

have your cry and get on with business fella's - there is a game tonight, and you are invited.

 

[JeffDunne]

JD owned again.

lol, Timmy you've been owned that often I'm surprised you still have the front to keep bobby up.

Look up the meaning of the word "perhaps".

Then when you've you've got a grip on that, have a look at the AFL's definition of an early plea.

Now if you can get your head around all of that, come back to me with an explanation of how Baker could have got a reduced sentence by pleading guily to a lie?

 

[estibador]

I brought up the claim that Freo have been on the end of some rough decisions?

Feel free to list examples of where you've received rough justice because I'm not seeing any evidence.

Johnson getting 4 for a glancing bump that was worth 2 max by halfway through the season.

Dodd getting a week for stepping on someone's foot. (Dobbed in by his opponent)

Farmer getting 6 for eye gouging when Holland and Judd both got off. (Dobbed in by the Kangas with medical reports citing a scratch, despite the fact that Johnson's bloodshot eye looked 10 times worse after the Holland incident)

J. Carr getting 2 weeks for a tummy tap. (Dobbed in by S. Johnson who was quoted as saying he felt a forceful blow to the stomach)

And perhaps worst of all, Black receives a one match suspended sentence for tackling a player over the boundary line. The sort of thing seen in every game every week.

Fairly rough run considering we're supposedly playing in the biased (W)AFL don't you think? We had one case surprisingly go our way when Headland was let off but other than that the tribunal has hardly been lenient towards us.

So don't complain to us that

a) there is some sort of (W)AFL conspiracy against you that favours us when there clearly isn't, and

b) Freo are breaking some honourable code of silence when we've had 3 players suspended with opponents dobbing them in (and Daniel Chick trying hard to make it 4).

Gonna brag about your one state league flag in 111 years again? I'll borrow a quote off Estiborder.

"That's like a 111 year old bragging to a twelve year old that he got laid once"

ROFL

No one ever spells my nom de plume right.

 

[JeffDunne]

"any bump causing forceful contact to be made to an opponent’s head or neck will be reportable for rough conduct. Rough conduct is interpreted widely in relation to any contact which is unreasonable or unnecessary in the circumstances"

focus on the bold.[/quote]
I'm not sure why you keep refering back to this comment and ignoring the questions I ask.

I have been talking about a legal challenge to their processes. You keep refering back to their interpretation of their 'rules'.

Based on what you keep quoting, every head high tackle should be reported.

Your QC would run rings around me with the law, but this isn't about the law it's about the rules of the AFL, and obviously he doesn't know jack about them. Maybe he sould stick to his areas of expertise that are Administrative Law (Judicial Review), Civil Liberties, Commercial Law, Criminal Law (Appellate), Criminal Law/Intervention/Compensation, Inquests, Licensing and Disciplinary Tribunals, Occupational Health and Safety, Personal Injuries, Professional Negligence. If you didn't have some knob QC representing you and instead somone who knows about AFL you would have got him off.

The AFL cannot operate outside the laws of land.

That is my whole argument re why we should challenge their processes.

Is this really too hard for you to understand?

*sits back and waits for the same passage to be quoted again*

 

[Waverley73]

OK, I'm calling it - anyone who can talk about the same thing over and over again 5 days in a row continuously needs some sort of mental capacity assessment. There's a few people here who qualify.

Never seen a thread where you can leave it for one or two days, come back and the current page pretty much looks exactly the same as the one you saw the previous day - except it's 20 pages later...

I know there's a round of matches coming up and finals in a couple of weeks but why worry about the footy?..

 

[Kram]

Isn't it funny. The insects that were laughing at a player being injured and proudly boasting that Baker Boy would get off due to no footage getting all worked up . . are crying now . .

Four weeks is harsh but perhaps finally Baker will learn to be more careful.

 

[Kram]

I'll go get the dominos shall I?

 

[Austin_McCrabbs]

OK, I'm calling it - anyone who can talk about the same thing over and over again 5 days in a row continuously needs some sort of mental capacity assessment. There's a few people here who qualify.

Never seen a thread where you can leave it for one or two days, come back and the current page pretty much looks exactly the same as the one you saw the previous day - except it's 20 pages later...

I know there's a round of matches coming up and finals in a couple of weeks but why worry about the footy?..

Yes, there are some obsessive-compulsives here.

 

[The Fireman]

I'll go get the dominos shall I?

you'll have to pick yours up first.

 

[sainter12riewoldt]

estibador you give evidence that there is no (W)AFL conspiracy yet you only showed like three cases, id like to see a lot more to prove that the conspiracy is false.
i actually think the is a conspiracy it is known as the (non-victorian)AFL, which is what is should be called.
Victorian side get so unfairly treated by the AFL.

With the Baker incident, it all depends on the player involved.
had it of been Barry Hall he would of gotten cleared because of lack of footage, which has happened many times before.
had it of been Fletcher from essendon he would have gotten 10.

 

[Sebastian Balboa]

Was tonight's result last week's sequel?

 

[astro_toby]

you know what? i really think Baker would have made the difference tonight

could be the difference between finals or no finals - oh well......

 

[morgoth]

Yeah JD you know the law and legal process better than the legal fraternity that have told your club they have no grounds to appeal

I see you are calling for Butters head again. He must be worried.

 

[Adz]

Saints would of won if he was playing, now it's officially goodnight 2007.

 

[Kempie]

Reasonable whinge, but snipped anyway

No one ever spells my nom de plume right.

That's unforgiveable, considering the amount of thought that went into it. Unless you're Spanish, that is

 

[estibador]

estibador you give evidence that there is no (W)AFL conspiracy yet you only showed like three cases, id like to see a lot more to prove that the conspiracy is false.

Actually I gave 5 cases. And I think 5 cases from one year is enough to dispel any myth that the tribunal has a bias towards Freo. Especially when those peddling the (W)AFL myth are only using the one case of Headland as their basis.

That's unforgiveable, considering the amount of thought that went into it. Unless you're Spanish, that is

Sometimes I wish I was. I'd love to be surrounded by muchas atractivas Espanolas chicas. Their language is so sexy.

 

[Kempie]

Actually I gave 5 cases. And I think 5 cases from one year is enough to dispel any myth that the tribunal has a bias towards Freo. Especially when those peddling the (W)AFL myth are only using the one case of Headland as their basis..

FWIW, I honestly think the tribunal has been biased against Freo, and the only person peddling this (W)AFL myth is JD and the consensus seems to be that he should be in rehab, despite his drugs of choice being legal/prescribed.

And just to hopefully totally derail this idiotic thread...

I'd love to be surrounded by muchas atractivas Espanolas chicas. Their language is so sexy.

And they'd probably just lurve the way you massacre their language. So cute . Good luck on your next Ibeza holdays...hehe

 

[Frankencow]

I saw Steven Baker walking around the concourse on Level 2 tonight. I stopped in front of him. I got a lump on my head under my left ear, but he seemed in a bad way...

 

[estibador]

And they'd probably just lurve the way you massacre their language. So cute . Good luck on your next Ibeza holdays...hehe

Finally this thread starts talking about the important issues.

I'm just a beginner, go easy on me. Why, what was wrong with that? And how do you know? Hablar Espanyol?

If you think I butcher it when I try to write it, you should here my pathetic attempts at speaking it.

 

[Kempie]

Finally this thread starts talking about the important issues.

After 1300+ posts, mostly from J.Dunny, I thought it necessary.

I'm just a beginner, go easy on me.

Yeah !

That works nearly as well in Ibeza as butchering the language so innocently as you do.

Mind you, I had to pay for it

Why, what was wrong with that?

I'm not complaining.

 

[estibador]

That works nearly as well in Ibeza as butchering the language so innocently as you do.

I guess I'll have to hope I find some muchachas who find my good intentioned, innocent butchering of their language cute.

Besides if I go to Spain I'll probably skip Ibiza. If I was into bland, commercialised things lacking in real culture I'd become an eagles supporter.

Anyway, hopefully we've derailed this thread enough now that it will finally die a dignified death.

 

[Kempie]

If I was into bland, commercialised things lacking in real culture I'd become an eagles supporter.

I just knew you were going to say something like that

Anyway, hopefully we've derailed this thread enough now that it will finally die a dignified death.

Probably a bit late for the dignified bit, but death sounds good.

And, with that, it's goodnight from me ...