* Still missing *Malaysian Airlines plane with 239 on board

[Juddism]

From the NY Time article :



There's no reason the plane couldn't have reached 45,000ft and then started descending without killing everyone on board. Depressurizing the cabin would be a bloody risky thing to do at that altitude if you had other plans.

the point I am making is that the plane would stall before reaching 45,000ft...and with 70t of fuel onboard it'd be even more difficult, how long into the flight was the plane detected at 45,000ft?

A plane needs to burn fuel before it can climb to certain altitudes otherwise the airspeed becomes too low and the wing stalls.

breaking news is that the Malay police are now raiding the homes of the pilots.

 

[JeffDunne]

If the 777's service limit is 43,000ft . . . I'm sure it would handle 45,000ft.

If that was certain death the service limit would be lower.

 

[JeffDunne]

how long into the flight was the plane detected at 45,000ft?

Just after they turned off the communications.

They haven't said how long it maintained that altitude.

 

[RandB]

Using 45,000 as a way of killing off passengers is an interesting idea but would it be possible to prevent the passengers from donning their oxygen masks? Maybe stay at 45,000 till the masks run out?

Apparently the masks last about 12 minutes. Long enough for a standard emergency descent in case of loss of cabin pressure at cruise.

Having said that, even at 35,000 they are in trouble if they simply depressurise from the cockpit i.e. turn it off. Going to 45,000 is a big call because it is much harder to absorb oxygen, masks or no masks - this includes those in the cockpit. So I'm not 100% sure of the how/why here if radar isn't a consideration.

 

[Moonwatcher]

Don't bother. It would.

Only if the cabin were depressurised.

 

[BotsMaster]

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[SHAKESPEARE]

Only if the cabin were depressurised.

Or pressurised for 35000ft

 

[Forward Press]

The only person who can solve this puzzle is this man:

Actually, Jack Bauer at least had solid intel to work on. It's more up this guy's alley:

 

[Juddism]

Just after they turned off the communications.

They haven't said how long it maintained that altitude.

impossible for 45,000ft then, absolutely wouldn't happen 40 mins into a flight with 70ton of fuel and 240 pax onboard, it would simply stall. The service ceiling is nothing to to with hypoxia etc, it is to do with the maximum thrust being available = the minimum thrust required to maintain level flying.

 

[mdizzle]

I don't think this scenario is particularly likely, but say the hijackers manage to get the plane back up in the air with a proportion of the passengers still alive and on board and fly it towards a major landmark or city... radars would pick it up fairly quickly once airborne you'd assume, but what happens next? will it be shot down with that many innocent people on board or would government/s military attempt to intervene mid-air somehow?

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Actually, Jack Bauer at least had solid intel to work on. It's more up this guy's alley:

He's going to **** the investigation to death?

 

[1061]

Maybe what you're all doing is what the terrorists want, what if their plan is just to screw with us and keep us guessing.

 

[davesnothere]

Ok who noticed anyone boarding the aircraft carrying an oxygen tank. The genius that has planed this has planed this avoid everything as far as killing passengers other crew avoiding radar to fly out to the Indian Ocean run out of fuel and crash into the ocean. No glory claiming responsibility. Let's face it only the pilots could do this not some random terrorist. Why not just throw it into a spin end it there?

 

[BotsMaster]

Actually, Jack Bauer at least had solid intel to work on. It's more up this guy's alley:

He's too busy sexing the local girls in California to care.

 

[Moonwatcher]

I don't think this scenario is particularly likely, but say the hijackers manage to get the plane back up in the air with a proportion of the passengers still alive and on board and fly it towards a major landmark or city... radars would pick it up fairly quickly once airborne you'd assume, but what happens next? will it be shot down with that many innocent people on board or would government/s military attempt to intervene mid-air somehow?

Shoot it down, and downplay the number of innocents still onboard.

 

[grizzlym]

impossible for 45,000ft then, absolutely wouldn't happen 40 mins into a flight with 70ton of fuel and 240 pax onboard, it would simply stall. The service ceiling is nothing to to with hypoxia etc, it is to do with the maximum thrust being available = the minimum thrust required to maintain level flying.

They are saying that they don't think the data is completely reliable.

 

[JD11]

Maybe what you're all doing is what the terrorists want, what if their plan is just to screw with us and keep us guessing.

I think terrorists like to do something a little bit bigger than screw with people.

 

[JeffDunne]

impossible for 45,000ft then, absolutely wouldn't happen 40 mins into a flight with 70ton of fuel and 240 pax onboard, it would simply stall. The service ceiling is nothing to to with hypoxia etc, it is to do with the maximum thrust being available = the minimum thrust required to maintain level flying.

Yeah I understand that and I'm not professing any knowledge on the subject . . . but impossible or not, it appears they did it (or the radar data is wrong).

 

[1061]

I think terrorists like to do something a little bit bigger than screw with people.

Your thinking is the point of it, you would ever expect a plane or planes to just disappear with no word.

 

[grizzlym]

He said new data showed the last communication between the missing plane and satellites at 8:11am Malaysian time.

That is almost seven hours after it dropped off civilian air traffic control screens at 1:22 am last Saturday, less than an hour after take-off.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-15/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-deliberately-off-course/5323338

So it flew for 7 hours after dropping off the radar. Where did it end up? Bloody miles away.

 

[lewigie]

Why would it have dropped off radar? Once it was below a certain height?

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[kane249]

Your thinking is the point of it, you would ever expect a plane or planes to just disappear with no word.

So they are basically just pranking the world? What's their next master stroke? Lighting a bag of flaming dog poo on the front porch of the White House ringing the bell and then running off? Sending a whole heap of Pizza's to Buckingham Palace that they didn't order?

True Masterminds

 

[Juddism]

Why would it have dropped off radar? Once it was below a certain height?

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height, radar ability to track it up until a certain point only..

I'm wondering if the Kazakh signal was more likely to have been far western China, near Kashgar or Urumqi, which are less than 2hrs from Almaty in flying time.

 

[GROTTO]

The only person who can solve this puzzle is this man:

Thats gold Jerry. Gold.

Dont forget he would have wrapped this entire investigation up in 24 hours too.

 

[vealesy]

So is any bookie taking bets on where this plane hits?