Stop the boats. 5k a head. (cont. in Part 2)

[Juddism]

There's one at Christmas Island right now, escorted there today by HMAS Maitland.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...y-fn59niix-1226724652217#sthash.lbCHXkQD.dpuf

Personally I blame Cathy McGowan as an independent cant stop the boats.

of all papers to report it...just wonder how the Murdoch rag managed to get this info.

 

[Brown Bottle]

They're still coming? The horror... the horror.

They won't come once 3 or 15 have found their way into Davy Jones' locker. Tone and the military both understand that loose lips prevent the sinking of ships, so they'll stay mum on the matter.

Before you know it - the Coalition stopped the boats and everyone's a winner. Well nearly everyone anyway.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

The reason for the media crackdown operationally is that previous government cheery press releases detailing the safe arrival of cashed up people smuggled clients at Christmas Island courtesy of the Australian navy provided the smugglers with proof to wave before prospective clients that Oz citizenship could virtually be guaranteed for the sum of $12-15,000

Blind acceptance of that sort of doublespeak as an excuse for avoiding transparency is Quisling-esque from an ex-journo. Would have expected better from you.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

If Chris Bowen holding a press conference is supposedly an "ad for the people smugglers", they must be really happy with Scott Morrison. He's been happy to rattle off the exact numbers every time a camera has been pointed at him for the past six years.

 

[AM]

Why is anyone surprised at this? Scott Morrison has had snake oil salesman written all over him from the day he entered Parliament.

 

[sherb]

Why is anyone surprised at this? Scott Morrison has had snake oil salesman written all over him from the day he entered Parliament.

And before.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...sty-saga-you-nearly-missed-20091025-hem5.html

 

[Pessimistic]

Abbott should stand tall or hang on this issue, he even repeated this after being elected

 

[sherb]

 

[Slax]

Abbott should stand tall or hang on this issue, he even repeated this after being elected

He can repeat it all he likes, but the Coalition policy is completely unworkable without the co-operation of the Indonesian government and that is not going to happen. The only solution I have seen put forward in recent years that is likely to have a direct impact on the boats was teh Malaysia solution proposed by Gillard, the only reason it was blocked was because of our stupid bloody two party system where the parties will oppose almost everything put forward by the other party regardless of the merits of the idea. This is why we need the balance of power to be held by independents.

 

[Caesar]

It was blocked because it was utterly inhumane.

 

[Juddism]

Just as I suggested a recipe for leaks! Now the residents from Christmas Is are informing the media..

 

[GuruJane]

Blind acceptance of that sort of doublespeak as an excuse for avoiding transparency is Quisling-esque from an ex-journo.

What utter balderdash.

Quislingesque:

A quisling is a person who collaborated with Axis forces in occupied Allied countries during World War II - including members of fascist and collaborationist political parties and military and paramilitary forces. In contemporary usage, quisling is synonymous with traitor, and particularly applied to politicians who appear to favour the interests of other nations or cultures over their own.

Wiki

As to your wider point: Nobody is stopping journos/ media from getting and disseminating the information from their own sources.

That would be an issue.

 

[sherb]

It was blocked because it was utterly inhumane.

Why would that bother the Coalition?

Slax was spot on.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Proposal for transit ports stirs anger

An Abbott government plan to set up asylum seeker ''transit ports'' on Indonesian soil has emerged as the latest lightning rod for anger in Jakarta.

...

Mr Abbott's $198 million plan to set up asylum-seeker terminals in Indonesian ports and elsewhere in the region has also been criticised by an international law expert who says it would raise more legal questions than other controversial parts of the Coalition's policy.

...

Under the plan the government would set up the terminals ''subject to the agreement of our regional partners'', then lease ''a fleet of fast transfer vessels'' to carry asylum seekers there from mid-ocean, so they never enter Australian waters.

Officials would conduct health checks on the ship or at the port, and the smuggled people would be taken to nearby airports for charter flights directly to Nauru and Manus Island.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...stirs-anger-20130922-2u840.html#ixzz2ffTw2cGo

WTF?

 

[Caesar]

Why would that bother the Coalition?

Slax was spot on.

Yeah, because only the left cares about that sort of stuff.

Give it a rest.

 

[sherb]

Yeah, because only the left cares about that sort of stuff.

Give it a rest.

Just because you personally don't like it? No I won't. Or is this now a mod ruling?

Don't pretend that the Coalition cared about these people. They were a means of obtaining government for them, pure and simple.

The merits of any Labor policy were irrelevant. It was always going to be opposed, particularly if it had a chance of working.

Labor ended up being equally disgraceful on the issue, so don't take this post as any sort of endorsement of them either.

 

[Caesar]

Just because you don't like it?

No, because your cheerleading is ridiculous. Whether or not it was politically beneficial to the Coalition to block the policy does not change the fact it was, by far, the most utterly inhumane policy ever proposed for dealing with boat arrivals. Malaysia has one of the worst human rights records of any country in Asia when it comes to the treatment of refugees. And the vote on the issue reflected that, with many of the Coalition MPs visibly emotional on the floor of the house.

If it had been the ALP that blocked such a policy, you would have been happy to accept they did it on compassionate grounds. How about you take a step back, put aside your own rampant bias, and actually give credit where credit is due?

 

[sherb]

No, because your cheerleading is ridiculous. Whether or not it was politically beneficial to the Coalition to block the policy does not change the fact it was, by far, the most utterly inhumane policy ever proposed for dealing with boat arrivals. Malaysia has one of the worst human rights records of any country in Asia when it comes to the treatment of refugees. And the vote on the issue reflected that, with many of the Coalition MPs visibly emotional on the floor of the house.

If it had been the ALP that blocked such a policy, you would have been happy to accept they did it on compassionate grounds. How about you take a step back, put aside your own rampant bias, and actually give credit where credit is due?

So you think that the Coalition, as a party, opposed the Malaysia solution on genuine humanitarian grounds? Seriously?

 

[Caesar]

Political expediency played a part. I reject the claim by Slax that it was the only reason.

 

[GuruJane]

So you think that the Coalition, as a party, opposed the Malaysia solution on genuine humanitarian grounds? Seriously?

Of course it didn't. It opposed the policy because it wasn't going to work.

If Labor had seriously taken Nauru and Manus on board, adopted TPVS, started using navy in a military role not suburban taxi service, as well as Malaysia, coalition might have found it difficult to oppose.

 

[Gough]

I've said many times in the past that both sides of politics have behaved in an utterly inhumane manner towards refugees and it shames Australia. But I'm also of the opinion that there was never going to be a bipartisan approach to this problem in the last parliament while the Liberal Party were gaining so much political mileage with it's scare campaign. I also suspect that the Libs will be unable to do a lot to stop the irregular arrivals without the co-operation of Indonesia, which with their current policy they will not get and they also need to recognise that the world is a very different place now than it was when the Rodent was able to "stop the boats". Conflict in the middle east, something we were a very willing participant in, has created millions of displaced people who will continue to seek refuge in our country by hook or by crook.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

I also suspect that the Libs will be unable to do a lot to stop the irregular arrivals without the co-operation of Indonesia.

Particularly if they continue their current policy which seems to be to antagonise the Indonesians.

 

[Gough]

 

[Juddism]

Scotty to Hottie just gave a briefing about the new operation...

523 have arrived in the past two weeks.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-...rison-details-asylum-seeker-movements/4974758

 

[GuruJane]

Heh, heh - after the last 4 years there's no-one knows more about this issue in the history of the world than Scottie.

Faster he stops the people smuggler boats faster he become Tones heir apparent.

Incentive.