Sydney Stack Discussion

[Del65166]

Wasn't it Royce Vardy DUI that finished the TAC sponsorship? But there were others before him.

A mate of mine was at a festival and was taking a piss on a car when two cops hopped out of it.
The policewoman ordered him to put it away, to which he responded "I can't!" and then she patiently waited for him to finish what was the longest piss of his life.
Not as bad as Aaron James who pissed on a woman in a night club?

I only know the Schulz indiscretion. I remember TAC sponsored us and essendon. They dropped us first but got out of Essendon not long after.

 

[Del65166]

Easy fix piss off the middle layer of govt, get rid of the state govts and all the snouts in the public trough

corruption and rorting won't stop. mismanagement just gets focussed on local govt. Have a look at Ipswich

 

[Grrr]

except qld hasnt watered down its policies post its election



100% wrong

if NSW started telling us how to live our lives (as they have with the demands for our borders to be opened), we would rightly tell them to get f’ed (as we did)

you can ask, advise, suggest. thats it. you are not a resident of WA

So universal human rights don't exist, even though all laws and morals are based around such things. So if WA or NSW brought in capital punishment non of us who lived in the other states have a right to voice an opinion. We live in the one country.

 

[SunshineBoy]

So universal human rights don't exist, even though all laws and morals are based around such things. So if WA or NSW brought in capital punishment non of us who lived in the other states have a right to voice an opinion. We live in the one country.

Not all states abolished capital punishment together. Queensland abolished the death penalty in 1922. Tasmania did the same in 1968, the federal government abolished the death penalty in 1973, with application also in the Australian Capital Territory and the Northern Territory. Victoria did so in 1975, South Australia in 1976, and Western Australia in 1984.

the feds abolished it now 1985 by passing a statute preventing states from re introducing it, it interesting the two “redneck” states are so far apart

 

[box070]

Not all states abolished capital punishment together. Queensland abolished the death penalty in 1922. Tasmania did the same in 1968, the federal government abolished the death penalty in 1973, with application also in the Australian Capital Territory and the Northern Territory. Victoria did so in 1975, South Australia in 1976, and Western Australia in 1984.

the feds abolished it now 1985 by passing a statute preventing states from re introducing it, it interesting the two “redneck” states are so far apart

I believe he was being hypothetical

 

[SunshineBoy]

I believe he was being hypothetical

Agree but people in other states had no say in when it was abolished in various states, so if the feds had not introduced legislation and for instance wa wanted to introduce it then what people in victoria said wouldn’t have a say

 

[Toadvine]

Agree but people in other states had no say in when it was abolished in various states, so if the feds had not introduced legislation and for instance wa wanted to introduce it then what people in victoria said wouldn’t have a say

 

[Grrr]

I believe he was being hypothetical

Well with an election in a months or two, maybe McGowan might trot it out the idea. About time they got tough on crime in WA.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

So universal human rights don't exist, even though all laws and morals are based around such things. So if WA or NSW brought in capital punishment non of us who lived in the other states have a right to voice an opinion. We live in the one country.

And we are a federation. It means the states remain independent entities with their own law making powers

That's why Tassie had sodomy as illegal decades after it was legalised in every other state

It's why NSW and Vic legalised injections rooms

Why Sa and act decriminalised pot

Each state differs in what it accepts and doesn't

We are not a monolith, and we need to respect the differences between the states

 

[SunshineBoy]

Well if you bothered to read the post I was replying to YOU would get the POINT

 

[sregit]

So universal human rights don't exist, even though all laws and morals are based around such things. So if WA or NSW brought in capital punishment non of us who lived in the other states have a right to voice an opinion. We live in the one country.

Capital punishment was not eradicated in all states at the same time. So yes each state does have the right to set their own laws and punishments and no matter if you believe Stack was harshly treated, that was the WA law he knowingly broke.
He has not been treated worse than others in WA who have also offended. They also have been detained / jailed. It's not racial as both aboriginal and white Australians have been jailed or detained. The WA Govt has done exactly what the law allows.
Stack is young but also now had a couple of chances and I can see both sides of the argument for the club letting him go or retaining him. Either way the club will need to support him. I do wonder if it had been a young player with lesser talent if the club would not already have washed their hands of him.

Just because those of us who think the club would be better off letting him go are seen as self righteous, it does not mean we do not have a valid opinion as do you who believe Stack is worth persevering with.

I think he does not have the correct attitude to succeed at the moment and would be okay with the club letting him go. if they choose to retain him I will support the decision (not that my support is required) and hope he guns it.

 

[smurfin]

I only know the Schulz indiscretion. I remember TAC sponsored us and essendon. They dropped us first but got out of Essendon not long after.

Not that it matters, but I just checked and you are correct.
Royce Vardy was in 2001 that caused the TAC to threaten to drop it's sponsorship.
Schulz was the start of 2005 and was the last straw that saw TAC leave.

And all these years I've been thinking that losing TAC was Vardy's only claim to fame...

 

[This Is Anfield]

This thread...

 

[Royce Hafey]

The punishment is over the top because it's wa in a pandemic. People are getting custodial sentences and five figure fines.

Stack wasn't singled out or treated unfairly

This is what concerns me, given what I know about WA. I'm indigenous, but for a complicated set of reasons, have a middle class accent and white skin. So I don't have a direct, personal experience of these things. But my sister worked for the Heritage Commission and had a job where she traveled around the country assessing sacred sights - so she basically got to visit every Aboriginal community in Australia. She told me that the most redneck place in Australia was WA and that the very worst place of all for racist dumb****ery was the WA wheat belt - I'm adding this last snippet just in case you want specific knowledge of where to avoid.

So my immediate response when I heard about what happened to Stack in WA was not to think that he should have been cut some slack because he was an AFL footballer or because of his youth. My concern was why he was being shoved into a prison (which like most WA prisons will be filled with other Noongars) and compared it to the treatment given to the likes of Frontbottom and Buckley when they transgressed. And it's not just about race. When the Covid thing first happened the people who broke quarantine rules were all posh. There was the family who partied in Aspen and their patriarch insisted on playing golf on the Peninsula, which led to the peculiar stats regarding Covid at that early stage where all the hot spots were in the wealthiest demographics. Did anyone go to gaol from that? And then when there was a similar pattern early in the pandemic in Sydney, with all the hotspots being in the Eastern and Northern suburbs, there were reports of people openly defying the rules in these places, and getting away with it and all the fines that were being applied were in the Western Suburbs, because the cops just reflexively policed the people they were used to policing.

Now I know these examples are all from other states, and some might say that in WA they're just being stricter. But I wonder whether if Nathan Buckley had visited Perth and broken the quarantine rules (perhaps to make a recruiting visit to Fyfe) whether he would have also been banged up inside.

Also, I read your post Ned about the way the cops reacted to vandalism and blamed your school in Frankston, so I know you're aware that this sort of shit happens. What I don't understand is why you seem to identify Stack with the privileged wanting special treatment when he's so obviously from a background where "special treatment" has the ironic meaning Paul Kelly gave it.

My immediate fear when I heard the news was that the club would take the excuse to sack him, a la Krakouer, and that his life would be allowed to spiral down like so many others. It may still spiral that way, and of course he has to be encouraged and supported to turn things around. I don't really care if he does it my preferred way (via reading the Autobiography of Malcolm X), through some sort of weird apprenticeship to Dusty where he learns how meditation can teach him to simultaneously improve his football and achieve all his partying goals without transgression, or even if Bachar just converts him to Islam.

But I am so proud that the club, despite every provocation, has not abandoned him. And if he does turn things around and become a star, as he could, then how bloody good would that be! We wouldn't just have another star, but one whose every bit of excellence was magnified by an understanding that only the Tigers would have allowed it to happen. Go Tigers!

 

[Ned_Flanders]

This is what concerns me, given what I know about WA. I'm indigenous, but for a complicated set of reasons, have a middle class accent and white skin. So I don't have a direct, personal experience of these things. But my sister worked for the Heritage Commission and had a job where she traveled around the country assessing sacred sights - so she basically got to visit every Aboriginal community in Australia. She told me that the most redneck place in Australia was WA and that the very worst place of all for racist dumbf***ery was the WA wheat belt - I'm adding this last snippet just in case you want specific knowledge of where to avoid.

So my immediate response when I heard about what happened to Stack in WA was not to think that he should have been cut some slack because he was an AFL footballer or because of his youth. My concern was why he was being shoved into a prison (which like most WA prisons will be filled with other Noongars) and compared it to the treatment given to the likes of Frontbottom and Buckley when they transgressed. And it's not just about race. When the Covid thing first happened the people who broke quarantine rules were all posh. There was the family who partied in Aspen and their patriarch insisted on playing golf on the Peninsula, which led to the peculiar stats regarding Covid at that early stage where all the hot spots were in the wealthiest demographics. Did anyone go to gaol from that? And then when there was a similar pattern early in the pandemic in Sydney, with all the hotspots being in the Eastern and Northern suburbs, there were reports of people openly defying the rules in these places, and getting away with it and all the fines that were being applied were in the Western Suburbs, because the cops just reflexively policed the people they were used to policing.

Now I know these examples are all from other states, and some might say that in WA they're just being stricter. But I wonder whether if Nathan Buckley had visited Perth and broken the quarantine rules (perhaps to make a recruiting visit to Fyfe) whether he would have also been banged up inside.

Also, I read your post Ned about the way the cops reacted to vandalism and blamed your school in Frankston, so I know you're aware that this sort of sh*t happens. What I don't understand is why you seem to identify Stack with the privileged wanting special treatment when he's so obviously from a background where "special treatment" has the ironic meaning Paul Kelly gave it.

My immediate fear when I heard the news was that the club would take the excuse to sack him, a la Krakouer, and that his life would be allowed to spiral down like so many others. It may still spiral that way, and of course he has to be encouraged and supported to turn things around. I don't really care if he does it my preferred way (via reading the Autobiography of Malcolm X), through some sort of weird apprenticeship to Dusty where he learns how meditation can teach him to simultaneously improve his football and achieve all his partying goals without transgression, or even if Bachar just converts him to Islam.

But I am so proud that the club, despite every provocation, has not abandoned him. And if he does turn things around and become a star, as he could, then how bloody good would that be! We wouldn't just have another star, but one whose every bit of excellence was magnified by an understanding that only the Tigers would have allowed it to happen. Go Tigers!

In this case stack had privilege.

In the old days he would have gotten a pass like cousins used to. It's good he didn't.

And they would def have strung bucks up. Was peeps love putting viccos in their place

 

[Hank Heavenly]

so...

Is STACK voting Labor or Liberal...???

 

[Grrr]

And we are a federation. It means the states remain independent entities with their own law making powers

That's why Tassie had sodomy as illegal decades after it was legalised in every other state

It's why NSW and Vic legalised injections rooms

Why Sa and act decriminalised pot

Each state differs in what it accepts and doesn't

We are not a monolith, and we need to respect the differences between the states

Except in relation to capital punishment which as Sunshine pointed out, the Fed's made it impossible for states to re-introduced.

It is completely implausible to accept everything a State does, is accepted without comment by people from other States. You might not be able to do much about it, but doesn't mean you have to respect it. The sodomy laws in Tassie were amusing acrachronisitic to everyone else. Jo-Bjelke Peterson was a joke to us Southerners, and he thought the same about us. Qld was as corrupt as hell when he ruled, didn't make it respectable. I do not respect the law that allows 10 year olds to be incarcerated for trivial crimes, no matter what anyone says, and neither does the International bodies like Amnesty etc.

 

[Grrr]

Capital punishment was not eradicated in all states at the same time. So yes each state does have the right to set their own laws and punishments and no matter if you believe Stack was harshly treated, that was the WA law he knowingly broke.
He has not been treated worse than others in WA who have also offended. They also have been detained / jailed. It's not racial as both aboriginal and white Australians have been jailed or detained. The WA Govt has done exactly what the law allows.
Stack is young but also now had a couple of chances and I can see both sides of the argument for the club letting him go or retaining him. Either way the club will need to support him. I do wonder if it had been a young player with lesser talent if the club would not already have washed their hands of him.

Just because those of us who think the club would be better off letting him go are seen as self righteous, it does not mean we do not have a valid opinion as do you who believe Stack is worth persevering with.

I think he does not have the correct attitude to succeed at the moment and would be okay with the club letting him go. if they choose to retain him I will support the decision (not that my support is required) and hope he guns it.

And you may be completely right in regard to Stack, time will tell. I would like to get him back to the normality of life outside Covid before Richmond make that decision is all I have said all along. Extenuating circumstances, it has not been a good year, one last chance. I think that is fair.

 

[Grrr]

This is what concerns me, given what I know about WA. I'm indigenous, but for a complicated set of reasons, have a middle class accent and white skin. So I don't have a direct, personal experience of these things. But my sister worked for the Heritage Commission and had a job where she traveled around the country assessing sacred sights - so she basically got to visit every Aboriginal community in Australia. She told me that the most redneck place in Australia was WA and that the very worst place of all for racist dumbf***ery was the WA wheat belt - I'm adding this last snippet just in case you want specific knowledge of where to avoid.

So my immediate response when I heard about what happened to Stack in WA was not to think that he should have been cut some slack because he was an AFL footballer or because of his youth. My concern was why he was being shoved into a prison (which like most WA prisons will be filled with other Noongars) and compared it to the treatment given to the likes of Frontbottom and Buckley when they transgressed. And it's not just about race. When the Covid thing first happened the people who broke quarantine rules were all posh. There was the family who partied in Aspen and their patriarch insisted on playing golf on the Peninsula, which led to the peculiar stats regarding Covid at that early stage where all the hot spots were in the wealthiest demographics. Did anyone go to gaol from that? And then when there was a similar pattern early in the pandemic in Sydney, with all the hotspots being in the Eastern and Northern suburbs, there were reports of people openly defying the rules in these places, and getting away with it and all the fines that were being applied were in the Western Suburbs, because the cops just reflexively policed the people they were used to policing.

Now I know these examples are all from other states, and some might say that in WA they're just being stricter. But I wonder whether if Nathan Buckley had visited Perth and broken the quarantine rules (perhaps to make a recruiting visit to Fyfe) whether he would have also been banged up inside.

Also, I read your post Ned about the way the cops reacted to vandalism and blamed your school in Frankston, so I know you're aware that this sort of sh*t happens. What I don't understand is why you seem to identify Stack with the privileged wanting special treatment when he's so obviously from a background where "special treatment" has the ironic meaning Paul Kelly gave it.

My immediate fear when I heard the news was that the club would take the excuse to sack him, a la Krakouer, and that his life would be allowed to spiral down like so many others. It may still spiral that way, and of course he has to be encouraged and supported to turn things around. I don't really care if he does it my preferred way (via reading the Autobiography of Malcolm X), through some sort of weird apprenticeship to Dusty where he learns how meditation can teach him to simultaneously improve his football and achieve all his partying goals without transgression, or even if Bachar just converts him to Islam.

But I am so proud that the club, despite every provocation, has not abandoned him. And if he does turn things around and become a star, as he could, then how bloody good would that be! We wouldn't just have another star, but one whose every bit of excellence was magnified by an understanding that only the Tigers would have allowed it to happen. Go Tigers!

Nicely said. In regard to your last paragraph, we were all so quick to pat ourselves on the back when Stack emerged as a star in the making. Then Pickett came along. As you say, the club is sticking with him, or as Jack said, it is a rocky road with a bloke like Stack... hell it has been a rocky year for all of us.

 

[Lord of the Wings]

He did.
There’s an example of a bloke drafted into a club way too young, way too impressionable.
Known him since he was a kid and his Dad was stressed when he went to Collingwood at I think maybe 16? Left school the lot.
Went right off the rails, spoke to him about the pissing incident he didn’t deny it, was embarrassed about it. Was a good bloke but couldn’t handle the piss and then whatever else.
Went on to fu** up after fu** up at local level despite kicking tons of goals.
Last time I saw him was the Port v Richmond final in Adelaide in 2014 and he was in a real bad place.

Are you talking about Schulz, Vardy or Sugar.......im confused?

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Are you talking about Schulz, Vardy or Sugar.......im confused?

Aaron James

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Except in relation to capital punishment which as Sunshine pointed out, the Fed's made it impossible for states to re-introduced.

It is completely implausible to accept everything a State does, is accepted without comment by people from other States. You might not be able to do much about it, but doesn't mean you have to respect it. The sodomy laws in Tassie were amusing acrachronisitic to everyone else. Jo-Bjelke Peterson was a joke to us Southerners, and he thought the same about us. Qld was as corrupt as hell when he ruled, didn't make it respectable. I do not respect the law that allows 10 year olds to be incarcerated for trivial crimes, no matter what anyone says, and neither does the International bodies like Amnesty etc.

Actually you do have to respect them, but you don't have to like them.

If you go to Thailand, it's illegal to disrespect the king. Is it a stupid law? Yeah. But it's their law, and you don't get a pass just because you don't like it.

Same as wa, you don't get to say "but I'm a Victorian, and this law is not acceptable to me"

 

[Grrr]

Actually you do have to respect them, but you don't have to like them.

If you go to Thailand, it's illegal to disrespect the king. Is it a stupid law? Yeah. But it's their law, and you don't get a pass just because you don't like it.

Same as wa, you don't get to say "but I'm a Victorian, and this law is not acceptable to me"

Respect in regard to respecting the law, ie not breaking it, agreed.
Possibly could have given a less extreme example than Thailand's law, but point taken.

By the way, McGowan is about to introduce such a law on Election Day, so my sources tell me.
A week before Stack is back in court, better mind his p's & q's.

 

[tigerdan]

Someone lock this ****ing thread while Bazza is banned. It's just going to go to shit (again) as soon as he comes back.

 

[Grrr]

Someone lock this ******* thread while Bazza is banned. It's just going to go to sh*t (again) as soon as he comes back.

Didn't it go to sh*t about 203 pages ago.