Certified Legendary Thread Sympathy for *essendon II - over 6500 days since EFC won a final / AC signs w NM, EFC implode / RIP D2D and T_S

[WayneShimmiesTheBush]

the only reason I can see * getting all worked up is because I think I know where all those spreadsheets are buried.

also to we are * author Rick Edwards, you have it all wrong. you don't tear down grandstands so there's more space for people to walk their dogs or kick a soccer ball. you tear down the grandstands so there's more space for people to let their dogs defecate on. oh and they can let their kids kick a soccer ball around while the dogs do there business. why don't you have any community sprit buddy?

 

[Mjs94]

The bowls club should lay down a couple more greens where the stands are.

Daniel Andrews wants to put another safe injecting room there


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[giantroo]

ASADA documents cast doubt on Bombers doping ruling

https://www.heraldsun .com.au/sport/afl/more-news/doping-ban-stitchup-asada-documents-cast-doubt-over-bombers-ruling/news-story/5a07b5d55a3506c43b98045fc3adea1f

 

[giantroo]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news
Doping ban ‘stitch-up’: ASADA documents cast doubt over Bombers ruling
The drug which sparked the Essendon supplements scandal was only listed as a banned substance the day before the Bombers “self reported” to the AFL. That was more than 12 months after the club stopped injecting its players.
Michael Warner, Exclusive, Herald Sun

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October 15, 2019 9:00pm

The drug that wiped out the Essendon 34 was only listed as banned by ASADA the day before the club “self-reported” its supplements program in February 2013.

It was several months after the injections had stopped.

Most of the 2012 Bombers’ squad were banned after the Court of Arbitration for Sport concluded they were repeatedly injected with the WADA “prohibited” substance Thymosin Beta-4.

But an official log reveals the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority “Check Your Substances” site — which athletes and coaches are encouraged to inspect prior to using supplements — did not flag the drug as banned until the afternoon of February 4, 2013.


The log, obtained under Freedom of Information laws, shows an ASADA official ran a check on the public site for “research” at 10.34am and no flag was generated for Thymosin Beta-4.
Another check on Thymosin Beta-4 just over two hours later at 12.59pm by an ASADA staffer listed it as “banned in sport”. The status update came on the same day AFL boss Andrew Demetriou called Essendon chairman David Evans about a secret investigation into the club’s supplements program, prompting the Bombers to “self-report” to ASADA.


The log revelation, seven years into the doping saga, adds to concerns over the AFL tribunal and Court of Arbitration for Sport’s ruling that Thymosin Beta-4 was clearly a banned substance during the Bombers’ supplements regimen.

Scientist Bob O’Dea said: “The evidence of a stitch-up is compelling”.

The players’ defence team did not know about the log when they were found guilty in January 2016.

Questions have also been raised about the update’s timing, with suggestions it was an attempt by some staff to shore up evidence after the fact.

Former ASADA boss Ben McDevitt told a Senate inquiry in March 2016 the Essendon players were culpable because they did not check whether the substance was banned.

“Ultimately the onus rests always on the individual … They (the players) should have gone to the website where you can look up the substances that are banned but we have no evidence that any of them did,” Mr McDevitt said


Separately, Mr McDevitt’s claims that Thymosin Beta-4 was captured under two general classifications of banned substances in WADA’s World Anti-Doping Code prohibited list have been shot down.

Thymosin Beta-4 was not explicitly listed as a banned substance by WADA until January 2018. But Mr McDevitt insisted to the Senate inquiry it was captured in WADA’s prohibited lists under categories “S0 and S2” when it was allegedly being used by Essendon players.

Mr McDevitt’s response to the Senate on March 3, 2016, reads: “The substance Thymosin Beta-4 is prohibited under category S2 of the prohibited list. It is a growth factor affecting muscle, tendon and ligament, vascularisation and regenerative capacity. The substance is also prohibited under category S0 of the prohibited list as it has never been approved by any regulatory agency for human therapeutic use.”

But ASADA has since stated no drug can be captured under two categories, with an email to Mr O’Dea on September 4 this year, saying: “A substance can only be placed within one category in the WADA prohibited list.

“The definition of S0 on the WADA prohibited list excludes substances which are addressed in other sections of the code.”

Mr O’Dea said: “I have been appalled at the lack of scientific rigour that has been applied in the Essendon saga.”

ASADA last night failed to respond to why it added Thymosin Beta-4 to the banned list on its Check Your Substances site in February 2012.


“Whether or not a substance is listed on ASADA’s former Check Your Substance tool has no bearing on whether a substance is a prohibited substance under the World Anti-Doping Code,” a spokeswoman said.

“Thymosin Beta-4 was a prohibited substance since the commencement of the 2010 WADA prohibited list.”

Anyone searching for a drug that did not flag on the Check Your Substance tool would have been told it did not necessarily mean it was permitted and would be urged to contact ASADA, she said.

She had no comment on the September email that contradicted Mr McDevitt’s advice to the inquiry about the WADA code categories Thymosin Beta-4 was captured in.

 

[Snake_Baker]

 

[Rooboys Rool]

Please please please let Essendon fight this in the courts for the next two years....and then get smacked down.

 

[blackshadow]

I'm not sure what is funnier... The article or the reaction from * fans.

 

[Devington]

>IT CAN"T HAVE BEEN BANNED BY BOTH CLAUSES BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY BE BANNED ON ONE!

Ok then, it's still ******* banned you numpty.

 

[Snake_Baker]

 

[Reagan Smash]

Need to keep * in the news between trade and draft periods

 

[see see]

Need to keep * in the news between trade and draft periods

Indeed, anything for October relevance. They're in grave danger of losing their Trade Week winners crown to the Saints this year.

 

[Contra Mundum]

I'm not sure what is funnier... The article or the reaction from * fans.

Truly this thread is immortal. All the "Vindication" threads and tweets make me want to spew. Also reinforces why I continue to hate the * with an abiding passion

 

[astrovic]

Yes! Who woulda thought we'd be needing more popcorn in 2019?

The immediate impression is that the journo's who wrote this article are * supporters who can't let go, but I reckon it's an epic troll aimed at * supporters who can't let go.

 

[giantroo]

Yes! Who woulda thought we'd be needing more popcorn in 2019?

The immediate impression is that the journo's who wrote this article are * supporters who can't let go, but I reckon it's an epic troll aimed at * supporters who can't let go.

Actually the journo is Mick Warner who is a Tigers supporter. Must be doing Robbo's dirty work.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Can't wait to see Martin Hardie and Bruce Francis work themselves into another frenzy over this.

On a related note, I wonder if Martin ever repaid the crowd-funding he received for the exposé book he never wrote?

 

[giantroo]

ASADA hits back at allegations
Australia's top anti-doping body responded to the Herald Sun report on Wednesday morning, saying it "strongly denies" allegations of evidence manipulation.

"ASADA strongly denies allegations of evidence manipulation reported in the media," an ASADA statement read.

"The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has sole responsibility for setting and determining prohibited substances. It is not possible to manipulate whether or not substances are prohibited.

"Thymosin Beta 4 was included on the 2010 Prohibited List by WADA under a general category of substances being a growth factor affecting muscle, tendon or ligament, vascularisation and regenerative capacity.

"The substance Thymosin Beta 4 was always banned before, during and after the Cobia investigation.

"Thymosin Beta 4 has never been approved for human use."

Sports scientist Stephen Dank oversaw the supplements program. Credit: Getty
The Australian agency argued the fact Thymosin Beta 4 was not featured on its website at the time had "no bearing" on the outcome of the case.

"Whether a substance was on ASADA’s former Check Your Substances tool has no bearing on its status as a prohibited substance on WADA’s Prohibited List," the statement read.

"It is impossible to list every substance that may be used for performance enhancement in such a tool, particularly those not approved for use by humans.

"In 2011-2013, for this reason any person who searched for a substance on the ASADA website that was not contained in the Check Your Substance tool would have received the following instruction:

“IMPORTANT: If you cannot find your search term on ‘Check Your Substances’ that does NOT mean that it is permitted in sport. Please check the list below for an exact match to your search term. If you cannot find an exact match for your search, please contact ASADA immediately”.

 

[Snake_Baker]

If Dank could ever be made to spill his guts then all the crap they went down for would be next to nothing.

 

[see see]

Can't wait to see Martin Hardie and Bruce Francis work themselves into another frenzy over this.

On a related note, I wonder if Martin ever repaid the crowd-funding he received for the exposé book he never wrote?

Looks like Martin's moved onto bigger things these days, the thriving vanilla bean industry. A very appropriate analogy for his ability as a lawyer.

 

[giantroo]

 

[astrovic]

Actually the journo is Mick Warner who is a Tigers supporter. Must be doing Robbo's dirty work.

Troll confirmed.

 

[The Warlord]

Likening the Essendon injections regime to the metaphor of the ‘boiling frog’, Dr Switkowski said it was impossible to blame any single person for the governance failings.

Quoting a Wikipedia extract, he said: “If you drop a frog in a pot of boiling water, it will of course try to clamber out. But if you place it gently in a pot of tepid water and turn the heat on low, it will float there quite placidly.

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[The Warlord]

QUOTING A WIKIPEDIA EXTRACT

 

[gokangas]

So if this clears the bummers do we have to go back through the threads and remove all the * and replace it with their name?

 

[blackshadow]

QUOTING A WIKIPEDIA EXTRACT

 

[LuvtheKangas]

QUOTING A WIKIPEDIA EXTRACT

More to the point, he apparently didn't even read further down the page where it states that "Modern scientific sources report that the alleged phenomenon is not real."

You'd be disappointed in a 10-year old if s/he did such a superficial analysis to support an argument.