Tasmania Tasmania Devils, welcome to the AFL. Mens team to enter 2028. Womens team TBA. Other details TBA 3/5 (Part 2)

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Was going to draft up a Summary but this is pretty good.


The Presidents
  • Opposed: Gold Coast, Collingwood, Sydney and Hawthorn.
  • Supportive: Geelong, Richmond, West Coast, Fremantle, Adelaide, Port Adelaide, North Melbourne.
  • Unknown: St. Kilda, Carlton, Brisbane, GWS, Melbourne, Essendon, Western Bulldogs.
Technically, Tasmania only needs seven votes to get in if the AFL commission give the nod, but McLachlan wants a majority and would love unanimous support in an ideal world. Each club’s position is far from set in stone (aside from Gold Coast’s chair Tony Cochrane, but there is even belief Tasmania’s harshest critic – and the league’s biggest benefactor of handouts – can be swayed when the right levers are pulled), with all waiting to see the final proposal. Hawk’s president Jeff Kennett is on the way out (however not until after next month’s vote) and the new president, Peter Nankivell is a supporter and said it would be a board decision, not just Jeff’s.

Note: The Leagues constitution requires only that the clubs vote to veto the decision, requiring a 2/3rds majority to overturn the leagues decision.

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The Offer

The Tasmanian Government has put an offer of $10 million a season for 10 years towards operational costs plus $50 million for a high performance centre on the table. When in Hobart last month for his first face-to-face meeting with Premier Jeremy Rockliff, McLachlan described this as a “strong start”. The negotiations are ongoing with a thought it might not be a bigger monetary commitment each year, but a longer commitment, something along the lines of $10m a year for 15 years.

The Stadium

In the meeting with Rockliff, McLachlan said a new stadium – first mooted by the Tasmanian Government – was contingent on the state landing a licence. It has become a sticking point, with the state opposition coming out against it but its position is based on if Tasmania had to pick up the entire bill, roughly in the $750m range. However, the AFL is only seeking a commitment on the stadium, not shovels in the ground or even for it to be fully funded before the August vote. The Government has allocated $1.5m in the latest budget for a multipurpose stadium feasibility study to be completed sometime next year. The AFL has also offered its own stadium expertise to not only help secure the cash required but to find an ideal location and how much it would cost to build. Historically, stadiums across the country have been roughly two-thirds federal funding, one third state (with the possibility of some private investment helping out as well). Plus it would be hard for the state Labor opposition to oppose the stadium if the AFL was able to secure funding from the new Federal Labor Government.

Location

The Government has waxed and waned internally between Macquarie Point and Regatta Point. Macquarie Point had its nose in front but it is understood there would be not enough space for what the Government wants to do there plus a multipurpose stadium, so it appears if the Regatta Point site on partially reclaimed land and right on the waterfront is back as the No.1 venue. It would also activate that entire area on the River Derwent from Macquarie Point right round to Regatta Point with access to ferries, the northern transport corridor and still within walking distance of the Hobart CBD.

Broadcast deal

A 19TH team can actually be a revenue creator for the AFL and its existing clubs, even if there are less games per round. The AFL is currently deep in broadcast negotiations for the next deal with a number of free to air, pay television and streaming services. It is understood these negotiations contain a number of scenarios with or without a 19th team. One hypothetical scenario that would benefit the league and broadcasters is the flexibility expansion can bring, potentially bringing new players to the table. For example, it might be eight instead of nine games a round, with three teams having a bye, but more rounds during the season. It would allow teams coming off the bye to play a Thursday night, with a game on Friday night, three on Saturday and three on Sunday, ridding the need for overlap of games as is currently the situation. For broadcasters, Channel 7 might own the Thursday night, Friday night and Sunday afternoon slots, allowing the AFL to sell Saturday night to Network 10 (as an example), with Foxtel screening every game on its dedicated FoxFooty station like it does presently. Bringing a second free to air broadcaster to the table instantly pays for a 19th licence, while clubs playing something like four every five weeks would satisfy the AFLPA seeking another break for its members and theoretically reduce the injury toll, allowing the best players to play more often.

High Performance Centre

For the players and staff, a new, state of the art high performance centre is just as important for retention as a new stadium. The state government has already pledged $50m to establish a training base in Hobart with the three options believed to be Cornelian Bay, Sandy Bay’s UTas sports grounds (pending the university’s relocation to the city) and the Domain near the TCA Ground.

Talent and List Build

The AFL is already working on a way to make the Tasmanian team competitive much faster than the Suns and the Giants, who endured years of pain before gaining enough experience to compete, while current clubs do not want to be shut-out from the top end of the draft for years on end as what happened during the most recent expansions. A Tasmanian team would be given similar draft access, but told they must be traded for experienced players, allowing clubs to re-enter the draft at a higher level, but giving Tasmania experienced talent. Obviously the better the player the existing clubs offer to Tasmania, the higher they can re-enter the draft, meaning a win for both sides. A reduction of list sizes has already been mooted, potentially freeing up a number of players and reducing costs for clubs.

The CEO

For the first time, Tasmania feels like the AFL, led by Gillon McLachlan, is leading the charge. The state has put a lot of trust in McLachlan that he will lead Tasmania to the Promised Land, trust it desperately hopes will not be burnt. The outgoing CEO has stated publicly he wants an answer on the “Tasmania question” and privately wants a positive one for the state as his final legacy.

Whats in it for Tasmania

The Taskforce business case, reviewed and approved by former AFL commission and ex-Geelong boss Colin Carter, state’s Tasmania’s investment in an AFL team will return $110m annually of economic stimulus as well as creating 360 jobs via tourism and hospitality. It also has the potential of rekindling the state’s passion for the sport which has waned in recent years, and unifying Tasmania just as the JackJumpers did so impressible in their inaugural NBL season, but on a much larger scale. There’s also the chance to land a brand new multipurpose stadium on Hobart’s waterfront on the edge of the CBD, capable of hosting large scale concerts, conferences and festivals – such as an expanded Dark Mofo – as well as numerous sports.

If its a No

Jump on the JackJumpers, as if Tasmania does not get an AFL licence this time it never will. The code in one of the original four heartland Australian rules states will never be the same again here and will continue to whither under the watch of the AFL – the “custodians of the game.”

Current Score

Tasmania was well in front at half time and appeared set to cruise into the league, before the opposition, led by Cochrane and a small group of other presidents, rallied loud and hard. However, just recently the push has regained some momentum. Tasmania has its nose in front with the final siren just about to blow, but it is not across the line yet.


Reports
Hobart Arts Entertainment and Sports Precinct – Business Case


Appendices:

  1. Macquarie Point Stadium – Tasmanian Arts, Entertainment and Sports Precinct – Liminal Studio Pty Ltd
  2. Hobart Stadium – Site Selection Process Report – MCS Management and Consulting in conjunction with Philp Lighton Architects
  3. Pre-Feasibility Study for Regatta Point and Macquarie Point Sites – Aurecon
  4. Hobart Stadium Economic Impact of new Arts, Entertainment and Sports Precinct - PwC
  5. Macquarie Point Estimating the economic contribution of commercial uses at the new arts, entertainment and sports precinct – PwC
  6. Hobart Stadium Capacity Optimisation Analysis – MI Global Partners
  7. Hobart Stadium Cost Benefit Analysis Report - MI Global Partners

 
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We got blackmailed into spending a billion dollars on a stadium we don't need, and I don't believe that it was necessary to do that to get a team. …
Your premise is completely wrong. Hobart absolutely needs a new stadium. As I posted previously, I think Hobart is a great place to visit, with lots to offer despite it’s relatively small size, but going to Bellerive was a nightmare and the stadium is a dump which I swore never to return to again - and I haven’t. Even the Ballarat stadium is much better to both access and view games. Bellerive is totally unfit for purpose and given it’s horrible, very hard to access, location (why was it ever chosen for a stadium - corruption?) and with no room at all for expansion, it’ll never be any good, regardless of any renovations done - that’ll be like applying a band-aid to a gaping wound. It’s really only fit now for Sheffield Shield and 50 over games. Stop pretending otherwise.
 

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Your premise is completely wrong. Hobart absolutely needs a new stadium. As I posted previously, I think Hobart is a great place to visit, with lots to offer despite it’s relatively small size, but going to Bellerive was a nightmare and the stadium is a dump which I swore never to return to again - and I haven’t. Even the Ballarat stadium is much better to both access and view games. Bellerive is totally unfit for purpose and given it’s horrible, very hard to access, location (why was it ever chosen for a stadium - corruption?) and with no room at all for expansion, it’ll never be any good, regardless of any renovations done - that’ll be like applying a band-aid to a gaping wound. It’s really only fit now for Sheffield Shield and 50 over games. Stop pretending otherwise.
All that might be true, but a billion dollar stadium isn't the only solution.
 
Well the Hurricanes are explicitly a Hobart team and the JackJumpers don't play anywhere near enough games outside of Hobart to be considered anything but a Hobart team. The AFL team has to be a state team in more than just name.

Pork Park took a while to get wickets in place. The Silverdome is a run down wreck, so needs a big make over. Who knows but perhaps it may have happened earlier if Launceston hadn't dumped its SEABL (now NBL!) men's team.

Not so long ago Hobart had no AFL football, Launceston had 2, then St Kilda turned up to play another 2 a year. So they had 2 AFL clubs to watch. We still had none. Then the saints left & Hawthorn got paid to play the 4.

Now Launceston is looking at 4 Tasmanian team games plus some Tassie AFLW & Tassie VFL games & $130million upgrade.

Talk about a glass half empty attitude!!!.

Now NL President Thane Brady, making good comment about the value of the TSL, but moaning about his club. He also had a moan about cricket FFS!

Tassie were admitted to the Sheffield Shield in 1977. (I know we were all pissed at their first home game!!)

They played at the TCA, NTCA & Devonport grounds. All old wrecks for that level of cricket. We went to games in Devonport & in Launceston. As they became a more professional outfit so it became based at the newly redeveloped Bellerive oval. A proper base to train at.

So losing cricket totally was because of the garbage Footy in the North & cricket in the South thing. Also while building up Pork Park, they did nothing at the NTCA ground!! It was still a wreck, & still is! Devonport lost its ODD game because it too was substandard. They built Dial Park in Penguin. It does nothing for cricket.

So here we are, We need a big discussion on the TSL, & to realise that over all footy is much better off than it was last week, except poor North Launceston it seems!!
 
Your premise is completely wrong. Hobart absolutely needs a new stadium. As I posted previously, I think Hobart is a great place to visit, with lots to offer despite it’s relatively small size, but going to Bellerive was a nightmare and the stadium is a dump which I swore never to return to again - and I haven’t. Even the Ballarat stadium is much better to both access and view games. Bellerive is totally unfit for purpose and given it’s horrible, very hard to access, location (why was it ever chosen for a stadium - corruption?) and with no room at all for expansion, it’ll never be any good, regardless of any renovations done - that’ll be like applying a band-aid to a gaping wound. It’s really only fit now for Sheffield Shield and 50 over games. Stop pretending otherwise.
One of main arguments against that is often championed by O’Connor, White, Reynolds and Wilkie is “we’ve got two perfectly good stadiums”. That’s just factually incorrect; they’re not even close to being “perfectly good” for a full time AFL club.
 
Your premise is completely wrong. Hobart absolutely needs a new stadium. As I posted previously, I think Hobart is a great place to visit, with lots to offer despite it’s relatively small size, but going to Bellerive was a nightmare and the stadium is a dump which I swore never to return to again - and I haven’t. Even the Ballarat stadium is much better to both access and view games. Bellerive is totally unfit for purpose and given it’s horrible, very hard to access, location (why was it ever chosen for a stadium - corruption?) and with no room at all for expansion, it’ll never be any good, regardless of any renovations done - that’ll be like applying a band-aid to a gaping wound. It’s really only fit now for Sheffield Shield and 50 over games. Stop pretending otherwise.
Bellerive is a lovely stadium.

Otherwise, your post is absolutely spot on. It should never have been built there. On a beach in a suburban village area. Just stupid, It was said then & many haven't stopped pointing out the folly since.
 
Good on Cassy O’Connor and Bec White for not doing the easy populist thing and cheerleading a billion dollar stadium that we don't need. Yes we finally get a team, but bloody hell, what an eye-watering cost. What happens to Bellerive now after all that money was spent on it?
You do realise they were just playing politics with all that naysaying don't you?
Who do you think will have their grubby hands out for VIP seating and freebie tickets when it's already to go.
 
I’ve seen a couple of references about West Park in Burnie and the Devonport Oval for pre season games, genuine question, would AFL clubs be comfortable playing there, even for preseason with the bike tracks around them?
Given how risk averse the AFL clubs are to player injury, especially before the season proper, there may be a reluctance.
 
I mean the AFL insisted on this stadium, and no one was given any alternatives. It just got railroaded through as if it wasn't possible for a team without it, despite no one ever mentioning anything of the sort until relatively recently. Look at the way you've described those who dared to question the narrative that we had to had to spend three quarters of a billion dollars on a new stadium (and does anyone really expect that cost not to blow out?). Not exactly a healthy debate, was it? More like a gun to the head.

I agree the amount of money is excessive, but nobody credible can have a position that the 2 existing stadia are acceptable. There's a reasonable position in the middle that a Metricon style venue would be enough.
 
You do realise they were just playing politics with all that naysaying don't you?
Who do you think will have their grubby hands out for VIP seating and freebie tickets when it's already to go.
Yeah you can guarantee it I was quite amused when I seen them all in a corporate box at the jack jumpers playoff game when the week before they were calling for a inquiry into the funding the nbl receives you can see why they haven’t won a election in over a decade
 
I’ve seen a couple of references about West Park in Burnie and the Devonport Oval for pre season games, genuine question, would AFL clubs be comfortable playing there, even for preseason with the bike tracks around them?
Given how risk averse the AFL clubs are to player injury, especially before the season proper, there may be a reluctance.
There have been pre-season games in both cities years ago. The town of Penguin is close enough to halfway between Devonport and Burnie and over the past few years, Dial Park has been developed as the premier footy facility on the NW Coast. It is the home ground of the Penguin footy club and is the training base of the NW-based U18 Tassie Devils players. Rockliff has publicly mentioned his intention to provide more funds towards improving Dial Park and there are plans for the 19th club to play an annual pre-season game there. DO and WP are nice grounds, but they are now becoming a bit dated so I anticipate that all future AFL content on the NW coast will be held in Penguin.
 

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I agree the amount of money is excessive, but nobody credible can have a position that the 2 existing stadia are acceptable. There's a reasonable position in the middle that a Metricon style venue would be enough.
I have the view that a Metricon style venue would not be suitable for Hobart because it’s an incredibly windy city, so a design like Metricon would be far too open and exposed to the elements. A enclosed (roofless) design, like a mini-Optus, would be more practical (yet also more expensive). Also, in the current economic climate the cost of every construction project will seem excessive. The cost of the Gabba rebuild was recently quoted at $1b above the original cost projections. People are mistakenly pointing to the cost of the Adelaide Oval, Optus Stadium, Metricon projects to show that Tassie taxpayers are being ripped off; however, we’re living in a completely different world now.
 


The official design process for the stadium has not commenced. When commenced the design process will include full consultation with key stakeholders and will include consideration of strategies to mitigate any potential impact on views both to and from the Cenotaph associated with the specific location and final height and shape of the stadium in the Macquarie Point precinct.

LIMINAL Architecture has prepared this initial stadium key views analysis based on Aurecon’s report prepared as part of the stadium site feasibility process undertaken in 2022.

For initial planning purposes a height of RL40 metres at the highest point of the roof pitch has been assumed. A stadium size of 240m long x 210m wide has also been assumed. This does not include a concourse around the stadium.

For comparison purposes, this stadium height has been compared to Hobart’s tallest building, the Wrest Point Hotel Casino which is around twice as high as the stadium. Based on the floor level heights of the casino the current planned stadium heights compare to just below 7 levels at the sides and just under 9 levels at the roof pitch point. Based on comparison to a city office building the floor levels would be around 8 levels at the sides and around 10.5 levels at the roof pitch.

The final specific location of the stadium on the site and exact shape and height, including RL commencing height, will not be determined until the official design process is undertaken

 
The conversation is about selling merchandise and what’s printed on it. Tasmania has no problem using the name. It seems the AFL has. Went too late to secure it, and owned it once anyway


This makes it sound like the AFL want to own and trademark everything.

No wonder it has no issue using the name of its league as a genericised trademark and having used likewise.
 
A Melbourne painting company has applied to trade mark the Tassie devils name.I think it will just be easier to name it something else like Tasmania united or Tassie islanders.
 
A Melbourne painting company has applied to trade mark the Tassie devils name.I think it will just be easier to name it something else like Tasmania united or Tassie islanders.
The company are either disruptors or opportunists.
They don't have a chance.
 

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