Teams Team Development (Official Opening)

[TheBeardAmigos]

Because his knees are made out of the same stuff Hartletts brain is made of

umm..... elaborate please?

 

[oneredfrog]

I haven't told you the best bit of that team......

$250k cash left over. Room for a better D4, F4 or better ruck.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

umm..... elaborate please?

...not much

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

...not much

give me an example when HH did something stupid?

and honestly, some dissing HH!

 

[Red Syrah]

Here we go,
Rookies are placeholders and a mix of prices to cover possible R1 rookies.
Have $305K left but not sure where to spend it.
1 option is to upgrade Witts but like the idea of seeing about a cheaper riskier R2 (Witts or Sandi) and then swapping to Ryder if he is flying or at least having time to see who emerges as a solid R2.
If not the rucks, then any suggestions where best to spend the extra $?

 

[cdcanman]

Here we go,
Rookies are placeholders and a mix of prices to cover possible R1 rookies.
Have $305K left but not sure where to spend it.
1 option is to upgrade Witts but like the idea of seeing about a cheaper riskier R2 (Witts or Sandi) and then swapping to Ryder if he is flying or at least having time to see who emerges as a solid R2.
If not the rucks, then any suggestions where best to spend the extra $?
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Upgrade JJ and Witts would be where I would spend the money.
Grab one of the absolute premo Def and move up to Sandi if money permits

 

[jcaston26]

I'm hearing a lot about Sandi, I was under the impression he had done a calf during preseason? Is he a chance for round 1?

 

[pincrusher]

I'm hearing a lot about Sandi, I was under the impression he had done a calf during preseason? Is he a chance for round 1?

Yeah minor calf but they are still saying he'll play one of the JLT games.

 

[RedBulls]

We get 30 trades now with imo is way too many, makes it easier to take risks.
I'll back Vlas, the bloke tonned up 3 times in his first 6 AFL games before being shafted by Dimma. Can agree with you on that one being a risk tho.
If Rocky does break down again it's not hard to trade out a bloke that's most likely still gonna be 550k+, on the other hand if Rocky doesn't break down it's gonna be an awful lot harder to trade in a bloke averaging 120+
Fyfes gonna be fine, he might miss a game here and there but Fyfe has always done that. Nothing new.
How's picking Witts any different to anyone playing McGrath, McCluggage, Knight etc? Is it just because he's on the ruck line? If he's named round 1 I expect him to outscore and generate more cash than those blokes.
And with the other two I'll back them to get back to their former premo heights.

With Vlastuin I think while Dimma is the coach he'll continue to get shafted as you say. The midfield group runs really deep, Cotchin, Martin, Caddy, Prestia, B. Ellis, Grigg, Miles, C. Ellis, McIntosh and Graham, obviously a lot of those guys, Vlastuin included are position versitile, it's just a really big gamble to take when there are a lot of guys more midfield proven. Dimma will likely hit the revert button if they lose games early.

I had Rocky for most of the preseason, he's only gone out in recent days to fit an extra premium down back, all I'm saying is that while you're taking risks on other players it might be best to get some security so if a few of your risks are out each week you've still got sufficient scoring.

Witt's is different because I think McGrath will average 75ish where Witts will struggle to score that much, he's more of a genuine tap ruck who really doesn't tackle, get a large chunk of disposals or mark the ball so all of his points will have to come from tap outs to advantage. Also with McGrath, Ainsworth ect it's easier to upgrade them because premo FWDS and Backs aren't as expensive as premo rucks, rucks will plato at 560k where a premo fwd/back could drop as low as 480 with a few bad games so starting with an expensive rookie in those lines is made much easier. You'd also need to make the Witts upgrade before round 9 because both him and Ryder have the same bye and we need 22 players or you'll be copping a donut.

Fyfe, Ryder and Roughead on top of Rocky, Witts and Vlastuin is a lot of if butts and maybes. Better to be picking consistent scorers week in week out and maybe you'll get lucky on one or two risks but taking 4 + stars returning from injury is a lot is all I'm saying.

 

[Donkey Magoo]

V-3
I've tried to reduce my risks here, staying away from Sandi Ryder and JOM, they just don't feel right.
Danger back in. I have a hunch that he will start slow, but even if that's the case, I don't think I want to miss the train. Too many moves to catch him later. Same with Gawn.
Rookies are subject to pre-season and selection but are picked from research as the best available.
Would love some feedback.

 

[toxic]

With Vlastuin I think while Dimma is the coach he'll continue to get shafted as you say. The midfield group runs really deep, Cotchin, Martin, Caddy, Prestia, B. Ellis, Grigg, Miles, C. Ellis, McIntosh and Graham, obviously a lot of those guys, Vlastuin included are position versitile, it's just a really big gamble to take when there are a lot of guys more midfield proven. Dimma will likely hit the revert button if they lose games early.

I had Rocky for most of the preseason, he's only gone out in recent days to fit an extra premium down back, all I'm saying is that while you're taking risks on other players it might be best to get some security so if a few of your risks are out each week you've still got sufficient scoring.

Witt's is different because I think McGrath will average 75ish where Witts will struggle to score that much, he's more of a genuine tap ruck who really doesn't tackle, get a large chunk of disposals or mark the ball so all of his points will have to come from tap outs to advantage. Also with McGrath, Ainsworth ect it's easier to upgrade them because premo FWDS and Backs aren't as expensive as premo rucks, rucks will plato at 560k where a premo fwd/back could drop as low as 480 with a few bad games so starting with an expensive rookie in those lines is made much easier. You'd also need to make the Witts upgrade before round 9 because both him and Ryder have the same bye and we need 22 players or you'll be copping a donut.

Fyfe, Ryder and Roughead on top of Rocky, Witts and Vlastuin is a lot of if butts and maybes. Better to be picking consistent scorers week in week out and maybe you'll get lucky on one or two risks but taking 4 + stars returning from injury is a lot is all I'm saying.

A snippett of Witts playing as R2 / R1 / R3 in the pies side

If he is GC R1 and rucks 80% of the game (his fitness would certainly allow that) then even with a 10% increase in his scoring he is scoring 80s

If he has one "spike" game and carries that across two weeks his price could inflate quicker than expected

 

[RedBulls]

Final Team 2 set ups I'm running with before the JLT comp starts. Won't change again till after the comp finishes





Option 1 gives me better scoring but option 2 gives me better cash generation. 7k left over with the first 77k left over with the second.

Changes between the two.
Shaw - Docherty
Montagna - McGrath
Heppell - JPK
Cousins - Miles
Strnadica - Witts

 

[RedBulls]

A snippett of Witts playing as R2 / R1 / R3 in the pies side

If he is GC R1 and rucks 80% of the game (his fitness would certainly allow that) then even with a 10% increase in his scoring he is scoring 80s

If he has one "spike" game and carries that across two weeks his price could inflate quicker than expected

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"Could" "If"

We need to expect that his scoring will be the same, hope that it'll improve, new club ect but we aren't really to know if he's getting picked at the start of the season because he's really had an excellent preseason or because there are no other rucks available at the suns. If I am to pick Witts, he's currently in 1 of two set ups I'm running with, it's on the bench and he will be gone by round 8 for whatever cash generation he provides great, but I would not be putting faith in him on field when he could quite easily pump out 5 60s to start the season when you could save 100k and have Johannisen over Hibberd for instance. What if gets injured in the first few weeks you're going to have to trade out a premium in other lines to cover it.

 

[toxic]

"Could" "If"

We need to expect that his scoring will be the same, hope that it'll improve, new club ect but we aren't really to know if he's getting picked at the start of the season because he's really had an excellent preseason or because there are no other rucks available at the suns. If I am to pick Witts, he's currently in 1 of two set ups I'm running with, it's on the bench and he will be gone by round 8 for whatever cash generation he provides great, but I would not be putting faith in him on field when he could quite easily pump out 5 60s to start the season when you could save 100k and have Johannisen over Hibberd for instance. What if gets injured in the first few weeks you're going to have to trade out a premium in other lines to cover it.

yes - if he gets injured it will require 2 trades to bring someone else in if it is a long term injury - or..... wait for it, I simply switch Ryder into the rucks via Strandica/Cameron

 

[RedBulls]

yes - if he gets injured it will require 2 trades to bring someone else in if it is a long term injury - or..... wait for it, I simply switch Ryder into the rucks via Strandica/Cameron

Which means you're banking on someone who hasn't played for 12 months and averaged 85 in his last full season to step straight into play a position you'll need to average a minimum of 105 to make it anywhere during the year? Oh and stop cash flow production because you'll have a non playing FWD rookie then. Yeah that sounds like an absolute blast

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

Which means you're banking on someone who hasn't played for 12 months and averaged 85 in his last full season to step straight into play a position you'll need to average a minimum of 105 to make it anywhere during the year? Oh and stop cash flow production because you'll have a non playing FWD rookie then. Yeah that sounds like an absolute blast

averaged 92.3 as the main ruck in 2015.

which he will be in 2017

95+ imminent (which is enough for a top 10 fwd this year IMO)

also, 3 rucks averaged more than 105 for the year, thats right 3! one of them was NN who is injured for this year. no one else averaged more than 99! ill take a 98+ average from my R2

People taking Witts or Sandi or Ryder at R2 are actually doing the more sensible thing IMO as only Gawn appeals from the top rucks. You cannot definitely say that any of the below tier rucks (Mummy, Hickey, Martin, Grundy) are going to take the step or go back to the 100+ average that people want from an R2.

taking Witts is no different from taking McGrath/McCluggage etc on other lines. you hope they can average 75+, but they may not.

 

[toxic]

Which means you're banking on someone who hasn't played for 12 months and averaged 85 in his last full season to step straight into play a position you'll need to average a minimum of 105 to make it anywhere during the year? Oh and stop cash flow production because you'll have a non playing FWD rookie then. Yeah that sounds like an absolute blast

So lets get some assumptions of yours completely debunked

1) Witts played all of 2016
1A) edit on Ryder: Ryder can once again be swung fwd if a suitable ruck appears and is eotth trading in. Yes i think he'll average 95-105 as my f5/f6 by years end. (Its his R9 bye that's most concerning, not his scoring ability)
2) being picked as a 200k rookie does not mean he has to score 105. 80s would be fine with a spike game would suit me just fine
3) why would i have a non playing fwd rookie

I think you've missed a few (LIKE ALL) of the rationale behind potentially picking Witts

However I'm all for SC discussion so keep it coming

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

So lets get some assumptions of yours completely debunked

1) Witts played all of 2016
2) being picked as a 200k rookie does not mean he has to score 105. 80s would be fine with a spike game would suit me just fine
3) why would i have a non playing fwd rookie

I think youve missed a few (LIKE ALL) of the rationale behind potentially picking Witts

However I'm all for SC discussion so keep it coming

he was talking about Ryder for your first point.

the rest, carry on

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

give me an example when HH did something stupid?

and honestly, some dissing HH!

He nearly got himself traded.
He has a shit manager that couldn't get him traded.
He's now in no mans land like Cloke was last year.

Also Butler is smarter than Hartlett so nurr

 

[toxic]

He nearly got himself traded.
He has a shit manager that couldn't get him traded.
He's now in no mans land like Cloke was last year.

Also Butler is smarter than Hartlett so nurr

I reckon we over rate the whole "trade" thing

Every club would have 15+ trade options discussed that the public never hear of

And he didn't get traded because his msnager hsd slresdy negotiated such a lucrative contract for him

 

[cdcanman]

only Gawn appeals from the top rucks. You cannot definitely say that any of the below tier rucks (Mummy, Hickey, Martin, Grundy) are going to take the step or go back to the 100+ average that people want from an R2.

Did Goldy die over the offseason and I missed it or something? If he is fit, he'll be in all of our teams post the bye rounds. Averaged 108 on one leg last year. Interestingly they opted to not have surgery and has therefore had a managed preseason. Only reason I am not rolling with him from Rd1. But I'm backing 2017 to see the return of Studly Todd.
Wash your keyboard out with soap TBAmigos. Including Hickey and Grundy but missing Goldy should be a crime.

I agree with everything else you said though.
Taking Witts is no different to taking a high priced rookie, except that you have some form to base your decision on I guess. He's a no from me FWIW. Can't see him scoring enough to make it worthwhile

 

[toxic]

Did Goldy die over the offseason and I missed it or something? If he is fit, he'll be in all of our teams post the bye rounds. Averaged 108 on one leg last year. Interestingly they opted to not have surgery and has therefore had a managed preseason. Only reason I am not rolling with him from Rd1. But I'm backing 2017 to see the return of Studly Todd.
Wash your keyboard out with soap TBAmigos. Including Hickey and Grundy but missing Goldy should be a crime.

I agree with everything else you said though.
Taking Witts is no different to taking a high priced rookie, except that you have some form to base your decision on I guess. He's a no from me FWIW. Can't see him scoring enough to make it worthwhile

Between and interrupted preseason and the kangas talk of Majak getting increased Ruck time has scared the Goldy bandwagon

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

Did Goldy die over the offseason and I missed it or something? If he is fit, he'll be in all of our teams post the bye rounds. Averaged 108 on one leg last year. Interestingly they opted to not have surgery and has therefore had a managed preseason. Only reason I am not rolling with him from Rd1. But I'm backing 2017 to see the return of Studly Todd.
Wash your keyboard out with soap TBAmigos. Including Hickey and Grundy but missing Goldy should be a crime.

I agree with everything else you said though.
Taking Witts is no different to taking a high priced rookie, except that you have some form to base your decision on I guess. He's a no from me FWIW. Can't see him scoring enough to make it worthwhile

didnt miss Goldy, he is just underdone which is common knowledge, hence why Gawn is the only top tier ruck which appeals to people, due to having a full preseason.

Goldy also has Daw to contend with for ruck minutes. no doubt Goldy will end up averaging similar to what he did last year, but unlike Gawn, Goldy has doubts, which rucks 2-10 all do. Gawn is a certainty for mine.

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

Wash your keyboard out with soap TBAmigos. Including Hickey and Grundy but missing Goldy should be a crime.

you calling Goldy a below tier ruck?

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

I reckon we over rate the whole "trade" thing

Every club would have 15+ trade options discussed that the public never hear of

And he didn't get traded because his msnager hsd slresdy negotiated such a lucrative contract for him

He wasn't traded because he's shit and nobody wanted him.
But yes Port payed overs and for too long.

Will be interesting to see how he goes this year