Team Round 10 vs Melbourne

[TassieSaint]

Just my thoughts on some changes I'd like to see:
B: Baker Hudghton Gram
HB: Geary S. Fisher L. Fisher
C: Montagna Harvey Armitage
HF: Dal Santo Goddard Riewoldt
F: Milne Koschitzke Birss
R: M. Gardiner Hayes Ball

Int: King Jones McEvoy Gwilt

Emg: McQualter Blake Ferguson

Notes:
- Forward set up: Goddard to CHF. I've always thought he'd do great up there, is the best kick in the team so wouldn't miss crucial goals and could set up other players from CHF good as well. It's a good chance to try it out against Melbourne too, Garland Warnock etc. aren't going to kill him if it doesn't work out. Koschitzke to stay one out deep and use his mark to his advantage. Riewoldt to lead up the wing, should do well against Melbourne's 3rd tall. Worth a try I reckon
- Davey, Green and Jones to be tagged by Baker, Birss and Little Fish. Birss to tag whichever one plays of the backline (usually Davey or Green) Blake and Dempster haven't been bad but we do not need that many shut down types in the team.
- Schneider dropped, needs a kick up the arse and needs to earn his spot. Gram on his last chance and dropped next week if he doesn't perform
- Kids played: Geary, Armitage, McEvoy and Gwilt as well as Jones (not a kid but a new player). Gwilt and McEvoy have been in good form for the Scorps. May as well give them a run against the bottom team. If it doesn't work out, next week X. Clarke and possibly Dempster, Schneider etc. if they perform in the VFL could come in for them and if it does work out we should be looking at the likes of Gram to be dropped for Xavier etc.

 

[Rough_Edges]

Your willing to play

Gardiner, King and McEvoy?

Wow.

Gwilt = not good enough.

 

[melbournemartin]

There is no way we'd play our third best tall on Riewoldt when there is a better one playing on Goddard. Having said that, it's really a raffle as to whom you rate highest out of Garland, Frawley and Warnock. Rivers will hopefully be back though and he raises the bar a fair bit.

 

[melbournemartin]

Leave McLean without a tag at your peril.

 

[SAINTS 4 07 FLAG]

mclean will get tagged if we wanna in. Bring in macca..surely it's time..gwilt deserves a go too.

 

[TassieSaint]

McEvoy in as a 3rd tall forward option (rotating Riewoldt/Goddard through the wing or alternatively dropping Goddard back). Too top heavy? Probably, but I'd rather see him in there than the same people who've been in there all year that aren't working.

Not good enough is something you could say for most of our team at the moment. Gwilt's been in good form for Casey, but I guess swap him for McQualter/Ferguson/Allen if you want.

Anyway just some thoughts, probably explains why I'm not an AFL coach, but some changes need to be made

Edit: Damn, yeah forgot about McLean. Probably worth a tag ahead of one of those other guys, we could always just put one of our mid head to head with one of them/play Gram or Geary on whichever one goes in the forward line.

 

[HoldenMCaulfield]

Lyon promised a few changes - I just hope that he doesn't think of another "hey, why don't I drop Armitage".

I like the idea of bringing in McEvoy (as a forward - unless King is given a week of VFL football) and Gwilt (as a forward - don't destroy the confidence he's built up in the VFL by playing him in the backline again). Allen did not set the world on fire in his last games for Casey - Ferguson, however, would also deserve a chance.

If Baker is not ready (his condition appears to be slightly delicate), Dempster should stay in the team (I do like Raph Clarke, but strongly believe that his position is not in the backline - and really, please don't play Gwilt in the backline !). Ferguson could also be an alternative.

I really hope that Jones keeps his spot - he had a good game and is harder than most. Lyon asked for hard players, so don't drop one of the more courageous players - again (as he did after the Sydney game). The same applies to Birss (and he's had a few good games recently).

I also believe that Schneider should be given (at least) one week to prove himself in the VFL. He is nowhere near what I expected and remember him being able to do in a Swans jumper. Also, I would not be surprised if one of the established players is dropped to set an example (possibly Montagna, Gram or, even though he has improved in his last games, as a real sign to the players that he has had enough, Dal Santo - all of which do not really fall under the category 'hard player').

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

B: Gwilt Hudghton L. Fisher
HB: Geary S. Fisher Goddard
C: Montagna Harvey Gram
HF: Dal Santo Riewoldt Armitage
F: Milne Koschitzke Ferguson
R: M. Gardiner Hayes Ball

Int: King Jones McEvoy Birss

Mix it up a bit.

 

[ChrisL#12]

Riewoldt has to go to the wing Richo style. Let Fergie boy have a game for once. Kicked 7 in the VFL a couple of weeks ago I think. Bring back Armo. Drop Dempster and those who are no good at winning contested footy. Keep Goddard down back, if we take him out of there then the ball will never get past the defensive 50. Our main problem is skill error and Goddard is the only one down there who we can rely on to hit a target. Dal Santo usually holds his end up in the skills department but his influence is nullified these days because he can't get a kick. Big problems at Moorabbin and it's doing my head in.

 

[Darkhour]

B: Baker Hudghton L. Fisher
HB: Geary S. Fisher Blake
C: Montagna Ball Gram
HF: Riewoldt Armitage Goddard
F: Milne Koschitzke Jones
R: M. Gardiner Hayes Dal Santo

Int: King Harvey McEvoy Birss

hows this line up sound?

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

B: Baker Hudghton L. Fisher
HB: Geary S. Fisher Blake
C: Montagna Ball Gram
HF: Riewoldt Armitage Goddard
F: Milne Koschitzke Jones
R: M. Gardiner Hayes Dal Santo

Int: King Harvey McEvoy Birss

hows this line up sound?

You reckon Armo is the key to our forward woes?

 

[Darkhour]

You reckon Armo is the key to our forward woes?

I should explain.. you see L2M4G.. I'm a sensational coach and it's all part of my strategy..

seriously though... I want to leave Kosi as a goal square forward leading straight up the middle towards HF..

I want Riewoldt and Goddard to lead to the wings and create mobile forward targets sweeping up towards the wings and then back towards HF..

Armitage is a decoy HF.. he can obviously play forward and kick goals and that is why i have placed him there but his role is to play midfield / HF.

Armitage and Jones offset Milne and co with forward pressure inside 50.

Milne obviously creates the classic crumber around Kosi and x factor..

simple really.. lol.

 

[Kildonan]

Just my thoughts on some changes I'd like to see:
B: Baker Hudghton Gram
HB: Geary S. Fisher L. Fisher
C: Montagna Harvey Armitage
HF: Dal Santo Goddard Riewoldt
F: Milne Koschitzke Birss
R: M. Gardiner Hayes Ball

Int: King Jones McEvoy Gwilt

Emg: McQualter Blake Ferguson

Notes:
- Forward set up: Goddard to CHF**. I've always thought he'd do great up there, is the best kick in the team so wouldn't miss crucial goals and could set up other players from CHF good as well. It's a good chance to try it out against Melbourne too, Garland Warnock etc. aren't going to kill him if it doesn't work out. Koschitzke to stay one out deep and use his mark to his advantage. Riewoldt to lead up the wing, should do well against Melbourne's 3rd tall. Worth a try I reckon
- Davey, Green and Jones to be tagged by Baker, Birss and Little Fish. Birss to tag whichever one plays of the backline (usually Davey or Green) Blake and Dempster haven't been bad but we do not need that many shut down types in the team.
- Schneider dropped, needs a kick up the arse and needs to earn his spot. Gram on his last chance and dropped next week if he doesn't perform
- Kids played: Geary, Armitage, McEvoy and Gwilt as well as Jones (not a kid but a new player). Gwilt and McEvoy have been in good form for the Scorps. May as well give them a run against the bottom team. If it doesn't work out, next week X. Clarke and possibly Dempster, Schneider etc. if they perform in the VFL could come in for them and if it does work out we should be looking at the likes of Gram to be dropped for Xavier etc.

** Ross Lyon started Brendon at CHF two weeks ago and eventually had to move him back into defence as he was ineffective. It is worth another try - I agree that we need to capitalise on his great kicking skill, and this is one spot that seriously needs to be rethought out.

The CHF's of almost every club are not performing like they used to. It wasn't long ago that we'd put our very best key forward at CHF and our next most highly skilled forward at FF. Sadly the Saints to best key forwards can't kick to AFL standards.

Our three best kicks in the team are Goddard, Dal Santo and Sam Fisher.
The opposition coaches hard tag Dal almost every match. They also try and ensure that the other two are made accountable to their opponent so that our team loses the drive these guys generate.

Matthews would have been thrilled to see Sam Fisher on Jono Brown, not only is that a mismatch that Brown can capitalise on, it also negates the drive that Sam usually generates.

 

[dan0z]

am i the only one who doesnt like leigh fisher and jason blake in our side??

 

[m.diddy]

Would like to see us change the forward structure, it isn't working. Kosi needs to see more of the play and not out of the square, let another big body create the contest deep inside the forward line, (like the idea of Goddard or maybe even McEvoy/M.Gardiner) Let Kosi roam around the forward line with a little less pressure on his shoulders.

Mostly I'd like Ross to tell the players to play on at all cost and kick the ball long, if we don't feel confident doing it agaisnt Melbourne then to be honest we should just give up.

Also like to see Gram pull his finger out and do something this year.

 

[m.diddy]

am i the only one who doesnt like leigh fisher and jason blake in our side??

Would say over 50% of supporters feel that way.

 

[Persevering Saint]

FB. Baker Hudgeton Geary
HB. Gram Goddard S Fisher
CE. Montagna Harvey Armitage
HF. Riewoldt Ferguson Ball
FF. Birss Kosi Milne
FO. Hayes King Montagna
INT. M Gardiner, Jones, McQualter, Blake OR Xavier (if available)

This is a relatively safe side. Nothing too flashy in terms of positions, etc. Having said that, I have put Ball on the Half-forward flank, partly for run, but also for him to hopefully snare a goal or two.

If Gilbert were available, Blake would be gone, and it would be a battle of the G-Spot (Gilbert, Gram or Geary) for one or two spots in the team. One of those three wouldn't be playing.

McEvoy is an emergency if - sorry, WHEN - Gardiner or King get injured. Kosi never rucks again.

The next time Raph plays for the Saints is when he goes back to the NT and plays for Saint Mary's again. Fiora is locked in a room to play 2004 AFL Premiership edition until the end of the season (that's torture enough).

Ferguson gets the nod, but is told Allen is breathing down his neck, and that if Charlie Gardiner plays REALLY, REALLY, REALLY well, he might be a threat to the spot too.

Gwilt keeps doing amazing things and hopes for a miracle.

Armitage receives a personal apology, and the right to moon the coaches box, once, in the middle of a 3rd quarter of his choosing, in response to his dropping last week.

 

[Danger Mouse]

B: Baker Hudghton L. Fisher
HB: Geary S. Fisher Blake
C: Montagna Ball Gram
HF: Riewoldt Armitage Goddard
F: Milne Koschitzke Jones
R: M. Gardiner Hayes Dal Santo

Int: King Harvey McEvoy Birss

hows this line up sound?

I like that lineup imensely. We play the kids, Riewoldt isn't our central focus. We got more speed and toughness in our backline and your forward line setup is deceptively good.

Oh and no Schieder or Dempster.

I hope Dempster never plays another game in our seniors..... ever!

Maybe though we could leave out King and let McEvoy learn the ropes as 3 big talls is bit much. Could play Charlie Gardiner instead... I still think he has some use in our side....

 

[Darkhour]

I like that lineup imensely. We play the kids, Riewoldt isn't our central focus. We got more speed and toughness in our backline and your forward line setup is deceptively good.

Oh and no Schieder or Dempster.

I hope Dempster never plays another game in our seniors..... ever!

Maybe though we could leave out King and let McEvoy learn the ropes as 3 big talls is bit much. Could play Charlie Gardiner instead... I still think he has some use in our side....

cheers amigo.. thats the idea.. I'd drop someone like McEvoy for Gilbert if he was a available but I like the idea of testing him out against a team like Melbourne. One of the rucks can always play forward while Goddard goes back if there is an injury etc..

I'd like to see some form and toughness from the guys dropped in the VFL for an extended period before they play seniors again..

 

[The Punter]

In: Armitage, Baker
Out: Fiora, L Fisher

 

[SaintsSeptember]

In: Armitage, Baker
Out: Fiora, L Fisher

Agreed, and dont be surprised to see the whole team fire up to prove they aren't soft against the young team at Melbourne.

 

[mg07]

Riewoldt has to go to the wing Richo style. Let Fergie boy have a game for once. Kicked 7 in the VFL a couple of weeks ago I think. Bring back Armo. Drop Dempster and those who are no good at winning contested footy. Keep Goddard down back, if we take him out of there then the ball will never get past the defensive 50. Our main problem is skill error and Goddard is the only one down there who we can rely on to hit a target. Dal Santo usually holds his end up in the skills department but his influence is nullified these days because he can't get a kick. Big problems at Moorabbin and it's doing my head in.

thats what most saints fan have been wanting to see for the last 2 years, totally agree chris, coach needs some balls to play him there..not sure if it will happen..

 

[melbourne150]

Agreed, and dont be surprised to see the whole team fire up to prove they aren't soft against the young team at Melbourne.

We may be young but we defienitly aren't lacking big bodies paticulary in the midfield.

And i think if you guys come out and try to be more physical than us it may backfire, because we are always very physical at the start of games, we have nothing to lose and we aren't afraid of a fight. And melbourne is a tougher team than the Saints.

I think you guys need to use your higher skill level to advantage instead of trying to prove your not "soft".

 

[Sir Robert]

We may be young but we defienitly aren't lacking big bodies paticulary in the midfield.

And i think if you guys come out and try to be more physical than us it may backfire, because we are always very physical at the start of games, we have nothing to lose and we aren't afraid of a fight. And melbourne is a tougher team than the Saints.

I think you guys need to use your higher skill level to advantage instead of trying to prove your not "soft".

Yeah agree we tried prove our toughness against Brisbane in a QF in 2004 and got spanked... Just spank ya's on the scoreboard i say.

Also Blake, L Fish (maybe Dempster but 'might' need his height) and Fiora out.

Baker, Armitage and Ferguson in.

Goddard stay back with Ferguson in. Would be happy with Gwilt fwd for a run instead.

 

[Mullo]

am i the only one who doesnt like leigh fisher and jason blake in our side??

Agree on L F

Blake, I dunno .. One of the few who busts his nuts every week, lacks polish, but can do a job on a midfielder...

However, this IS the problem at St Kilda - every Thursday night we pick the wrong side. Players perform, and we wait 12 weeks to give em a shot (ala Michael Rix in 2006) and by the time they get in, it's Fed up anyways..

L Fisher, Blake need to be out, and for a while.

Armo and Baker in

C Gardiner might need some time out, with Fergo in

Schneids left in the forward line, we keep trying him through the midfield, How's about letting him play where we know we can play well for starters

Gram will stay because we lack backmen as it is (gilbo/goose)

EDIT: FIONA OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT

and if raph clarke comes back in, i'll lose the plot