Roast The AFL aren't taking concussion and head trauma seriously enough. Lalor/Ginbey incident.

[Obeanie1]

Ok so just a minor injury lol

On the scale of injuries it is minor.

The way you describe it Lalor is lying in hospital drinking through a straw after needing brain surgery.

A tad melodramatic......par for the course for you.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

On the scale of injuries it is minor.

The way you describe it Lalor is lying in hospital drinking through a straw after needing brain surgery.

A tad melodramatic......par for the course for you.

Concussion is never minor. There is a high risk of CTE in the future.

 

[BF Tiger]

Yes, it is.

Geez, how many times did they mention shoulder in that video?

 

[BF Tiger]

AFL25: AFL drops the ball after top draft pick Sam Lalor is left with concussion, fractured jaw

No.1 draft pick Sam Lalor was left concussed and with a fractured jaw after an ugly incident against West Coast, but the man who pushed him in the back escaped punishment of any kind. The AFL got this decision wrong.

www.theage.com.au

Let me guess… Vic bias?

 

[bzparkes]

Geez, how many times did they mention shoulder in that video?

Imagine using your eyes and seeing Cotchin smash into the side of Shiel's face?

 

[Hydatina Physis]

36 pages? Boy oh boy wowee

 

[bzparkes]

Firstly, I’ll state that there is no difference between a break and a fracture. Google will tell you that in less than a second,

Ok Dr Google. Which type of break/fracture was it?

• Simple (Closed) Fracture – The bone breaks but does not pierce the skin.
• Compound (Open) Fracture – The bone breaks and punctures through the skin, increasing infection risk.
• Hairline (Stress) Fracture – A small, thin crack in the bone, often caused by repetitive stress rather than trauma.
• Greenstick Fracture – The bone bends and cracks but does not fully break, common in children.
• Comminuted Fracture – The bone shatters into multiple pieces, requiring more complex treatment.
• Displaced vs. Non-Displaced – In a displaced fracture, the bone pieces have moved out of alignment, often requiring surgery. A non-displaced fracture means the bone remains aligned.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Are Richmond fans like this all the time?

 

[BF Tiger]

Ok Dr Google. Which type of break/fracture was it?

• Simple (Closed) Fracture – The bone breaks but does not pierce the skin.
• Compound (Open) Fracture – The bone breaks and punctures through the skin, increasing infection risk.
• Hairline (Stress) Fracture – A small, thin crack in the bone, often caused by repetitive stress rather than trauma.
• Greenstick Fracture – The bone bends and cracks but does not fully break, common in children.
• Comminuted Fracture – The bone shatters into multiple pieces, requiring more complex treatment.
• Displaced vs. Non-Displaced – In a displaced fracture, the bone pieces have moved out of alignment, often requiring surgery. A non-displaced fracture means the bone remains aligned.

So you now agree a fracture is a break. Well done you.

 

[bzparkes]

So you now agree a fracture is a break. Well done you.

I never said it wasn't.

 

[Farang83150]

Are Richmond fans like this all the time?

Yes

 

[amazingjoshy]

Are Richmond fans like this all the time?

Don't worry

There will be half as many around in a year or two

 

[Dr Tigris]

Taking the specifics of the incident way for now. The actual topic title is correct I reckon.

Pushing players head first into dangerous situations (Hopper and Ginbey) is dangerous and should be punished. That the AFL can make all sorts of poorly thought through rule changes and not do something about this is stupid.

The key is a deliberate pushing of someone head first into a dangerous situation. Happens a fair bit. And easy to pick out the bad ones. Protect the head - great words, not much done really.

 

[Dogflogger]

you Richmond supporters might have your own version of Paddy Mccartin if he gets too many more head injuries, wouldn't that be a shame.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

This happens many times a game in every game. If we are only going to ever talk about the outcome when someone is injured that makes no sense.


A player is pushed in a marking contest almost every single marking contest. it is an unfortunate outcome for the Richmond player, this same thing happens many times per game. To eradicate it then we would need to make pushing a reportable offence and not just a free kick.

Show us some examples then.

Here is my first entry. 24 marks, almost all involved packs of players contesting the ball. The only suggestion of an illegal push in all of these contests is Sampi getting a slight push from Yze around 1:25, Sampi took the mark anyway. Under my suggestion that would be graded careless conduct, body contact, below the threshold of impact required for a report.


It is a furphy that this type of push happens many times per game in marking contests. It is completely false that it occurs at almost every marking contest. Also demonstrably false is any claim you would need to suspend an push in a marking contest if you suspended Ginbey.

This Ginbey action is in fact, thankfully, quite rare.

 

[Aussie in exile]

With the fondness for litigation in the modern world all contact sports should have measures in place in case they are sued for neglect by a person or persons for not having enough procedures in place to minimize the risk to the player or players.

 

[Obeanie1]

Taking the specifics of the incident way for now. The actual topic title is correct I reckon.

Pushing players head first into dangerous situations (Hopper and Ginbey) is dangerous and should be punished. That the AFL can make all sorts of poorly thought through rule changes and not do something about this is stupid.

The key is a deliberate pushing of someone head first into a dangerous situation. Happens a fair bit. And easy to pick out the bad ones. Protect the head - great words, not much done really.

Deliberately push?

So with malicious intent?

Head first?

 

[Obeanie1]

Show us some examples then.

Here is my first entry. 24 marks, almost all involved packs of players contesting the ball. The only suggestion of an illegal push in all of these contests is Sampi getting a slight push from Yze around 1:25, Sampi took the mark anyway. Under my suggestion that would be graded careless conduct, body contact, below the threshold of impact required for a report.


It is a furphy that this type of push happens many times per game in marking contests. It is completely false that it occurs at almost every marking contest. Also demonstrably false is any claim you would need to suspend an push in a marking contest if you suspended Ginbey.

This Ginbey action is in fact, thankfully, quite rare.

Lol. Keep twisting and misquoting those words. Its all you have.

So you have retreated from " pushing is not a football act" which it 100% is.

To now 'pushing like Ginbey did". Nice change of veiw.

So you finally admit that pushing and shoving is a part of football and very much a part of normal marking contests.

Excellent. We have made progress.

 

[BF Tiger]

I never said it wasn't.

Apologies. Maybe you could inform your others in your fanbase.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Lol. Keep twisting and misquoting those words. Its all you have.

So you have retreated from " pushing is not a football act" which it 100% is.

To now 'pushing like Ginbey did". Nice change of veiw.

So you finally admit that pushing and shoving is a part of football and very much a part of normal marking contests.

Excellent. We have made progress.

Show me where I said pushing is not a football act. I have never said those words or anything like them.

If you have to invent my position for me you must have a flimsy position in the debate.

 

[bzparkes]

Apologies. Maybe you could inform your others in your fanbase.

I thought that's what you were doing?

 

[BF Tiger]

Is he eating through a straw with his jaw wired together? No he isn't.

Because that's what some on here would like people to believe.

Almost like they are media types chasing clicks.

He has brain damage so you say.

Every big hit in the AFL incurs a level of damage. Kids don't head the soccer ball anymore because of brain damage concerns.

So your coming across as all knowing. How severe is it then? It must be at the high or extreme end with you being so vehement that it should have been penalised.

You are talking in broad sweeping statements. The MRP I'm sure made their decision based on facts. And not emotion.

Don’t put words in my mouth. All I’ve said is he has a broken jaw, which is all the media have said AFAIK. He also has had surgery as reported by the media. Whether it’s an Andrew Gaff-inflicted eat through a straw injury or a less serious break is neither here nor there… it is a broken jaw requiring surgery.

I also didn’t say he had brain damage. I said he had a brain injury and/or head trauma.

My wanting to see the incident penalised at the tribunal is because I’d rather see less young men and women get knocked out and/or suffer craniofacial injuries that require hospitalisation. I wouldn’t have thought that that was an unreasonable viewpoint. Seems I was mistaken.

 

[BF Tiger]

I thought that's what you were doing?

I tried but because I wear the wrong colours it appears some will just oppose regardless.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Eagles fans should gracefully exit this thread and leave the Richmond fans to it before you get too sloppy.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Eagles fans should gracefully exit this thread and leave the Richmond fans to it before you get too sloppy.

Lol @ Eagles suporters.

Your leader has spoken.

After observing you were embarrassing your club.