The best young ruckman???

[Love the Drake]

Does take much for Blues supporters to think that they can get a bit cocky does it?

Odd.

Your comment is odd.

Essendon have won 2 of their last 10 games. Have an atrocious game plan. Have no system to their play and are an ugly duckling to watch.

Pretty sure this is a statement of fact, not being cocky. Where did I say Carlton was any better?

 

[raffrox]

Your comment is odd.

Essendon have won 2 of their last 10 games. Have an atrocious game plan. Have no system to their play and are an ugly duckling to watch.

Pretty sure this is a statement of fact, not being cocky. Where did I say Carlton was any better?

Did I say it

So are you saying, why would anyone what Carlton as well then?

If Carlton isn't any better then you're saying that about your own team as well?

 

[Love the Drake]

So are you saying, why would anyone what Carlton as well then?

If Carlton isn't any better then you're saying that about your own team as well?

Huh?

 

[conrad_437]

It was a good battle, they both played to their strengths.

Both were actually dangerous around goal, didn't know Darcy had that to his game.

 

[Dogs till i die]

Tim English looks an All-Australian caliber talent at 23, Rowan Marshal also a quality up and coming ruckman but turns 25 later this year, not sure if he’s still in the young category. Sean Darcy at 22 has the best ruckwork though. Luke Jackson looks like one for the future, shown some very good signs, still on 18.

Love Tim but his ruckwork has a long way to go. Not sure he will get to elite level as a centre square ruckman.

Now if want to talk about mobile big men who can take strong grabs, kicks goals, cover ground and really stretches lesser mobile ruck opponents, that's another argument....

 

[mightymouse75]

Waiting for Darcy to get the.mongrel back he had in his first season.
He came in like wrecking ball.

 

[Igloo]

Love Tim but his ruckwork has a long way to go. Not sure he will get to elite level as a centre square ruckman.

Now if want to talk about mobile big men who can take strong grabs, kicks goals, cover ground and really stretches lesser mobile ruck opponents, that's another argument....

His centre square work is quite good I reckon. It's at stoppages around the ground where opposition rucks push him around.

 

[Dale4captain]

His centre square work is quite good I reckon. It's at stoppages around the ground where opposition rucks push him around.

Yeah the amount of times Darcy was able to throw Tim out of the way & grab the ball out of the ruck was concerning. The other concerning part was how bloody often he had ample time to hold onto it and dispose cleanly. It was like some of our mids didn’t want to tackle him in fear of just bouncing off haha. He’s freakin solid. Haven’t seen someone built like that since Will Minson was around. That man was carved from concrete.

 

[cherrypie]

Carlton predicted as a bottom 6 team.
*don predicted as a top 8 team.
Pretty obvious who underachieved.

That's what they said...

 

[RBW_007]

Against all ruckmen this year Rowan Marshall has the most goals, is second in disposals, equal 1st in marks, 3rd in contested marks and 13th in hitouts.

 

[eaglespremiers]

When the consensus above standard is NicNat and Draper was competing just fine with him either you don't understand football or you don't watch Essendon.

I thought Draper was pretty uncompetitive in actual taps to Naitanui.
Seemed pretty keen on going the body most times to stop Naitanui from jumping.
I don't think that game validates your point.

 

[FRUMPY]

Against all ruckmen this year Rowan Marshall has the most goals, is second in disposals, equal 1st in marks, 3rd in contested marks and 13th in hitouts.

240 hitouts for Marshall and Ryder tells me plays around 50% in the ruck.....hence the 'most goals, marks etc'

 

[g_TRAIN]

240 hitouts for Marshall and Ryder tells me plays around 50% in the ruck.....hence the 'most goals, marks etc'

I think it explains goals and that's about all.

Taking a mark in the forward line is a skill, how many other ruckmen would be as effective forwards as Marshall? A question, not a statement.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Marshall is 25 this year. At what point do we stop considering players a "young ruckman", and start calling them a "ruckman"?

 

[eth-dog]

Marshall is 25 this year. At what point do we stop considering players a "young ruckman", and start calling them a "ruckman"?

Obviously when they're 26

 

[FRUMPY]

I think it explains goals and that's about all.

Taking a mark in the forward line is a skill, how many other ruckmen would be as effective forwards as Marshall? A question, not a statement.

Yeah good point, St Kilda obviously agree hence why they got Ryder so he could play more minutes fwd. Good player, no doubt.

 

[FRUMPY]

Marshall is 25 this year. At what point do we stop considering players a "young ruckman", and start calling them a "ruckman"?

If he plays for my club then 25 isnt too young, if he is really good and plays at another club he is too old, especially if he is better than the play from my club i am spruiking.

 

[Kwality]

I think it explains goals and that's about all.

Taking a mark in the forward line is a skill, how many other ruckmen would be as effective forwards as Marshall? A question, not a statement.

Oscar Allen takes a strong contested mark - 2017 draft, not a true ruckman but no slouch. Likely to pass 50 game mark in 2021.

 

[g_TRAIN]

Marshall is 25 this year. At what point do we stop considering players a "young ruckman", and start calling them a "ruckman"?

If he plays for my club then 25 isnt too young, if he is really good and plays at another club he is too old, especially if he is better than the play from my club i am spruiking.

He hasn't turned 25 yet (November) and he only played his 50th game last week.

I think in terms of games experience he's still young but admittedly next year he probably falls out of this category.

With that being said Ruckmen usually don't peak until a bit later than others.

 

[g_TRAIN]

Oscar Allen takes a strong contested mark - 2017 draft, not a true ruckman but no slouch. Likely to pass 50 game mark in 2021.

He's going to be a gun!

I probably think of him as an 80:20 type though mainly playing forward.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Draper.
Ladhams.
Marshall.
Darcy.
English.

Must’ve been an alright year for ruckmen 2016.

 

[flipper83]

Just out of interest how many of the ruckmen mentioned in this thread play as the sole ruck?

Apart from a few games where he was given a rest, English rucks nearly 100% of game time.

His ability to ruck a whole game and allow us to play an extra small is very important to our system.

Some of his running efforts under fatigue are enormous.

 

[WN123]

I thought Draper was pretty uncompetitive in actual taps to Naitanui.
Seemed pretty keen on going the body most times to stop Naitanui from jumping.
I don't think that game validates your point.

22 Hitouts to 17. Draper did well till about half time then NicNat got on top

 

[brabs]

22 Hitouts to 17. Draper did well till about half time then NicNat got on top

Who was the 17 ho against? Bailey Williams had 11 ho that night as well. So total ho was 33-19

 

[WN123]

Who was the 17 ho against? Bailey Williams had 11 ho that night as well. So total ho was 33-19

As per my previous. Draper did well in the first half then NicNat got on top. Are you suggesting Williams rucked long enough for Draper to win 17 and Williams 11.