Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[thylacine60]

he'd be on an absolute hiding to nothing......

 

[Jeremias]

Why would Thomas have angst towards Carlton?

His thoughts on Malthouse would be interesting, but he wasn't exactly treated poorly in his time at the club.

 

[Dadda Dave]

Why would Thomas have angst towards Carlton?

His thoughts on Malthouse would be interesting, but he wasn't exactly treated poorly in his time at the club.

I think he's just a pig headed old prick and would of been the same no matter what club he may have coached

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Daisy seemingly has a lot of affection towards Carlton. He has said that Malthouse was like a dad to him - not unusual (and not ideal) for a leader to have a positive relationship with some people and not with others so I don't think anything Daisy says would override any accounts from anyone else.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Daisy seemingly has a lot of affection towards Carlton. He has said that Malthouse was like a dad to him - not unusual (and not ideal) for a leader to have a positive relationship with some people and not with others so I don't think anything Daisy says would override any accounts from anyone else.

Daisy grew up without a Father (who was an abusive drunken SOB) and I actually read Mick's own Autobiography a few years ago (I got for 20c from ex library stock) and he read how he took Daisy under his own wing when he was drafted to The Pies, and became a somewhat surrogate Father to Daisy.

Now I am not defending Daisy if he has poured a bucket on the club, but from a personal point of view, I can totally understand why Daisy would be so supportive/defensive of Mick, even though I can't understand it from a Carlton supporting perspective.

I don't think it's an issue worth fretting about too much, in any case.

 

[thylacine60]

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[MrsEddieBetts]

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AHEM
97 hours thank you.

 

[thylacine60]

am I going to that game? am I?

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

am I going to that game? am I?

I dunno r u

 

[ferrisb]

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[sosos]

Just saw this on Youtube. Never seen this footage before. Saved off an old VHS, really the only way anything new from this decade will be seen.

 

[Accidental genius]

Just saw this on Youtube. Never seen this footage before. Saved off an old VHS, really the only way anything new from this decade will be seen.

ken hunter had four goals (no behinds) by the first few minutes of that footage. Noticed on his fourth goal he did not take much of a run up but still kicked it ~50+ m.

 

[sosos]

ken hunter had four goals (no behinds) by the first few minutes of that footage. Noticed on his fourth goal he did not take much of a run up but still kicked it ~50+ m.

Ken Hunter, what a player. Was good to see Peter Motley run around too.

 

[JustaBattler]

The game has gone backwards since those days - look at the skills on display in that video FMD - no one from the teams we have today would make that side back then - all hacks in comparison.

 

[norway blue]

The game has gone backwards since those days - look at the skills on display in that video FMD - no one from the teams we have today would make that side back then - all hacks in comparison.

Sadly you are right Jab . It’s been overtaken by the rules committee and borderline poor mathematical defence based on logistics. Still love the game of AFL but


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[Gethelred]

The game has gone backwards since those days - look at the skills on display in that video FMD - no one from the teams we have today would make that side back then - all hacks in comparison.

Conversely, the teams from today are taller, stronger and would run for much, much longer. Depending on the ruleset - modern rules versus the rules at the time - it's easier to adapt back to umpires letting you get away with a bit and being better at their jobs than it is to umpires being pedantic as they are today. Modern teams would get belted around the ball early in terms, but teams from previous decades would get run off their feet by half time; there's also the fact that 2 on one wins most of the time regardless of the quality of the one unless you're allowed to concuss the person sitting in the hole. Modern rulesets don't let you concuss the person sitting in the hole, and the entire point of the 2 on one is to prevent your player getting to the balldrop anyway. You have literal decades of strategic thinking, and almost the entirety of strategic thinking at AFL level is defensive; how to stop your opponent getting the ball, how to stop them scoring without jeopardizing your own ability to score.

Just as much as no-one from the teams we have today would make that side (bullshit that Sam Walsh wouldn't make that team) so too would those blokes struggle to get a game now, as the priorities for selecting a team are different. You need to be a certain size; you need to be able to hit a certain speed; you need to be able to run for longer.

The game looked better due to the superior skills. Blame the person who worked out that the most skilled player in the world is worse at the game than the player whose skills are alright but can run 50% longer and is a good 10cm taller when the former is stuffed, and the coach who filled his team with them.

 

[sosos]

Conversely, the teams from today are taller, stronger and would run for much, much longer. Depending on the ruleset - modern rules versus the rules at the time - it's easier to adapt back to umpires letting you get away with a bit and being better at their jobs than it is to umpires being pedantic as they are today. Modern teams would get belted around the ball early in terms, but teams from previous decades would get run off their feet by half time; there's also the fact that 2 on one wins most of the time regardless of the quality of the one unless you're allowed to concuss the person sitting in the hole. Modern rulesets don't let you concuss the person sitting in the hole, and the entire point of the 2 on one is to prevent your player getting to the balldrop anyway. You have literal decades of strategic thinking, and almost the entirety of strategic thinking at AFL level is defensive; how to stop your opponent getting the ball, how to stop them scoring without jeopardizing your own ability to score.

Just as much as no-one from the teams we have today would make that side (bullshit that Sam Walsh wouldn't make that team) so too would those blokes struggle to get a game now, as the priorities for selecting a team are different. You need to be a certain size; you need to be able to hit a certain speed; you need to be able to run for longer.

The game looked better due to the superior skills. Blame the person who worked out that the most skilled player in the world is worse at the game than the player whose skills are alright but can run 50% longer and is a good 10cm taller when the former is stuffed, and the coach who filled his team with them.

I think that was the late 80s Hawks or the early 90s Eagles.

 

[JustaBattler]

meh - umps have too much say in the outcome of games and that is mostly due to the fact that there are so many rules to 'enforce' it is too arbitrary too often.

 

[thylacine60]

afl - 50 billion shades of grey.............

 

[Arr0w]

meh - umps have too much say in the outcome of games and that is mostly due to the fact that there are so many rules to 'interpret' it is too arbitrary too often.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

The game has gone backwards since those days - look at the skills on display in that video FMD - no one from the teams we have today would make that side back then - all hacks in comparison.

Even Weiters?

 

[JustaBattler]

Even Weiters?

The sides were so good back then - they chucked SOS up to the forward line - and he is supposed to be the FB of the century....

the flying carpet is worth at least 4 of today's defenders all by himself...what a player - I've been looking at all these old Carlton games - since I never watched any of these blokes play...all I've seen is total crapola for 20 years since I became a member!

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

The sides were so good back then - they chucked SOS up to the forward line - and he is supposed to be the FB of the century....

the flying carpet is worth at least 4 of today's defenders all by himself...what a player - I've been looking at all these old Carlton games - since I never watched any of these blokes play...all I've seen is total crapola for 20 years since I became a member!

You might be right, there's a lot of good defenders in that side. Weiters could be better than Dorro, and surely Eddie would have beaten Bernie Evans.

 

[JustaBattler]

You might be right, there's a lot of good defenders in that side. Weiters could be better than Dorro, and surely Eddie would have beaten Bernie Evans.

It is the way the defenders worked together as a unit that caught my eye ...were never rushed - they thought their way out of a situation so well...always there for each other too..and no half steppers

 

[BigBreakfast]

Just saw this on Youtube. Never seen this footage before. Saved off an old VHS, really the only way anything new from this decade will be seen.

The skill level, jeez. Pressure? Conditions far from perfect but, great hands, long kicks.