Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[JustaBattler]

Do you watch our games? Have you seen our defensive set up? He will do a better job than Amos that is for certain.

With a little bit of defensive help we would be well on our way. To say defense is the best part our game is utterly ridiculous. It really is like you might not actually watch us play.

Do you watch our games? The back six ARE the best part of our team. The defensive issues we have all begin with lack of effective inside 50 tackles and progress to between the arcs dysfunctionality - our back six are performing way above expected results given massive i50 differentials.

As for a little bit of help - do you really think our coaching staff don't get to see the same footage as armchair experts? Do you really think that the problems/faults/issues that spring up arent analysed and dissected and considered?

Spare me your genius mate and read posts in context to understand what people are saying rather what they have never said.

If you want to 'fix' defensive lapses and curtail opposition-run on- you have to 'fix' the player behaviours that allow easy transition firstly and that is all about the mostly brain dead i50 entries that occur all too often - pretty much handing the ball back to rebounders because Calton's entries are typically bomb and hope - rather than precise and directed - these are midfield and forward issues.

 

[DangerousD]

I watched the ‘analysis’ by King and Montagna on 360. They act like the defensive set up structures of the Demons were so amazing. Please. Every single club focuses on set up behind the ball at a stoppage. Their analysis revealed nothing. It’s not stoppage goals that kill us. It’s turnover goals. If they analysed THAT it would have been interesting.

What do you make of the supposed call, that we are the only team not playing a zone defence? Is it true, are we a pioneer or are we stupid?

 

[DangerousD]

Yes he stated other morning that he not interested to be an assistant again he has done it twice -- but if opportunity arose for a head job he may consider it

Not doubting he said this, but I find this comment a bit rich, same as Ross Lyon, surely if anyone still has ambitions to coach, they are best served having a job in AFL coaching or development ranks somewhere.

Tothink you can just step away and be plucked from no where to be the main ma is a bit funny.

 

[JustaBattler]

Not doubting he said this, but I find this comment a bit rich, same as Ross Lyon, surely if anyone still has ambitions to coach, they are best served having a job in AFL coaching or development ranks somewhere.

Tothink you can just step away and be plucked from no where to be the main ma is a bit funny.

Weren't you calling me out yesterday for rejecting the notion that he is an answer to any problem that Calton has ?

 

[Sector 7G]

I watched the ‘analysis’ by King and Montagna on 360. They act like the defensive set up structures of the Demons were so amazing. Please. Every single club focuses on set up behind the ball at a stoppage. Their analysis revealed nothing. It’s not stoppage goals that kill us. It’s turnover goals. If they analysed THAT it would have been interesting.

If you allow a midfielder to kick i50 from 60m out with little pressure the defence is going to struggle and there will be holes in any defensive zone. That is how Bruce managed to get most of his goals

 

[Aphrodite]

Do you watch our games? Have you seen our defensive set up? He will do a better job than Amos that is for certain.

With a little bit of defensive help we would be well on our way. To say defence is the best part our game is utterly ridiculous. It really is like you might not actually watch us play.

No need for that thanks!

 

[JustaBattler]

Hey Carlton fans,

On our blog this week one of our discussion points was Carlton and their ability to transition and score from turnovers.

We highlight a couple of clips signifying how Carlton are getting high quality shots on goal but ultimately playing 'risk/reward' football that's resulting in easy scores for the opposition.

https://footytalkingpoints.com.au/2021/05/12/ftp-8/

I understand its quite critical of how Carlton have performed this year but would love to hear your thoughts

There isn't an equal spread of experience or smarts in Carlton's mid/forward structures as exemplified by your comparison between Owies and Walsh behaviours. Injury has had the effect of depriving any sort of continuity in terms of personnel as well as exposing individual player flaws especially to fringe players who are playing because first options are not available.

Carlton used to get criticised for not being able to post a score - and now criticism which is fair is not being able to control the tempo if a game when it is called for. This will be fixed as better players come back into the side and bring their brains and skills with them.

 

[FTP]

There isn't an equal spread of experience or smarts in Carlton's mid/forward structures as exemplified by your comparison between Owies and Walsh behaviours. Injury has had the effect of depriving any sort of continuity in terms of personnel as well as exposing individual player flaws especially to fringe players who are playing because first options are not available.

Carlton used to get criticised for not being able to post a score - and now criticism which is fair is not being able to control the tempo if a game when it is called for. This will be fixed as better players come back into the side and bring their brains and skills with them.

Yeah I agree with those points. The inability to halt momentum thing has been going on for a long time now so it's head scratching that it continues to occur but its a development/maturity thing with the group.

There are a lot of positives to Carlton's year so far it's probably just been overshadowed in the media by the big expectations that were put on the group. But as I said in the article - Carlton aren't far off it. Wouldn't be surprised if they upset Melbourne this week

 

[JustaBattler]

Yeah I agree with those points. The inability to halt momentum thing has been going on for a long time now so it's head scratching that it continues to occur but its a development/maturity thing with the group.

There are a lot of positives to Carlton's year so far it's probably just been overshadowed in the media by the big expectations that were put on the group. But as I said in the article - Carlton aren't far off it. Wouldn't be surprised if they upset Melbourne this week

It is true that injuries are trotted out as excuses - however I doubt that any other team in the competition is looking forward to the positive effect of the inclusion of so many currently missing - especially in skill and brains : Fisher | Martin | Jack S | Charlie Curnow | Newman | TDK are all starting players - not playing. At the same time Casboult | Cripps | Williams | Saad are all playing very sore - so we aren't seeing anywhere near the best team on field and playing to the game plan, unfortunately.

Second half of season will show more about where Carlton is really at.

 

[DangerousD]

Weren't you calling me out yesterday for rejecting the notion that he is an answer to any problem that Calton has ?

Being surprised by your stance on a certain coach or issue isn’t calling you out, I was mostly surprised by your comment around not wanting Leppitsch because he was a failed coach, which I asked you about.

This was before another poster stated that he didn’t want to be an assistant again, that might change, who knows.

I would hope that one of the first questions we ask all potential coaching candidates is, do you actually want to be an assistant coach?

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Yeah I agree with those points. The inability to halt momentum thing has been going on for a long time now so it's head scratching that it continues to occur but its a development/maturity thing with the group.

There are a lot of positives to Carlton's year so far it's probably just been overshadowed in the media by the big expectations that were put on the group. But as I said in the article - Carlton aren't far off it. Wouldn't be surprised if they upset Melbourne this week

Hope he didn't get suspended for being here...???

 

[thylacine60]

Already said he doesn't want to be an assistant again ..

We know how to hold him back.

 

[myblueroan]

Hope he didn't get suspended for being here...???

Maybe for using BF as an advertising source?

 

[footyfan1978]

Liam, FFS!!!

 

[katmanblue]

Ummm, what? Are we having a crack at Sandilands?

Victorian club launches shock bid for retired Fremantle ruckman Aaron Sandilands

A shock mid-season draft bolter has emerged 😲

www.zerohanger.com

Surely not.

 

[Aphrodite]

Ummm, what? Are we having a crack at Sandilands?

Victorian club launches shock bid for retired Fremantle ruckman Aaron Sandilands

A shock mid-season draft bolter has emerged 😲

www.zerohanger.com

Surely not.

No way.

He's 38.

Most likely NORF or the handbaggers.





Oh and don't call me Shirley!

 

[Aphrodite]

Ummm, what? Are we having a crack at Sandilands?

Victorian club launches shock bid for retired Fremantle ruckman Aaron Sandilands

A shock mid-season draft bolter has emerged 😲

www.zerohanger.com

Surely not.

^^^
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[myblueroan]

Speaking of fabulous ruck people...

 

[Jeremias]

No way.

He's 38.

Most likely NORF or the handbaggers.





Oh and don't call me Shirley!

Definitely would not be North.

 

[Koutamightafides]

Should have thrown that money at Wines

Shit Treloar even if we had of known pies would pay half his wages

 

[Koutamightafides]

Hard lesson to learn.

If you are going to spend $5 million on a midfielder... make sure they are a midfielder first

Who would have thought hey

 

[Koutamightafides]

Throw him in Russell's cage like McGovern had to do , with the big bucks comes big expectations .

And a long lesson. 6 years to live it, some serious conditioning looks needed to be tailored to up the required standards.

 

[Gw2_James]

We have over 80k members, put on some entertaining games, possibly challenging for top 8 spot, but we aren't given a Friday night game, yet hawthorn who are 17th get a friday night game

 

[Gethelred]

It's hard to have a lot of defensive pressure in your midfield when 1 bloke has a fractured back.. not sure how much physical pressure he can lay and immediately you're a man down when they have the ball as a result. It's a liability.

Having said that, it's not the midfields fault Jones is ball watching while a guy is 50 metres behind him in the goal square unmarked.

Both are to blame to a degree. The midfield moreso in my opinion but it's not like the backline are faultless in this.

Hmmm...

I'm not sure I agree. Jones, for all that he concedes quite a few goals, is a better read for the ball than 90% of forwards. The goals that he conceded this week to Bruce, for all that they are aggrivating in the extreme, were because he went for the mark and got both hands to the ball, only for Bruce to be in front; in Bruce's absence, he'd have marked them. The obvious retort there is, if Aunt Petunia had a **** etc, but not every team has Josh Bruce, Charlie Dixon; Jones is going to take those marks most of the time. He needed to recognise that, against the Dogs he needed to punch more, but our game worked for 3 terms and part of our game is Jones going for those marks. Rance got towelled up from time to time because he went for the mark ahead of punching, resulting in his team losing; does that mean that he should've stop playing how he was playing?

The analysis of our game is - to be honest - ****ing putrid at present. If the experts in the chair were all that and a bag of chips, they'd be employed by clubs to put their money where their mouths are. Lepistch is the only person in the media at present qualified to discuss modern line coaching, and he was a forward line coach; he can see the holes, not the net.

I don't exactly disagree with you, I think. Call me dubious, but I don't find the analysis of our defensive inadequacies to be all that convincing. Geelong during their 3 premierships took amazing risks to win games, cutting into the corridor at every opportunity, and so did Hawthorn; both sides got away with it because they were ****ing amazing in different ways.

Do you stop playing your gameplan because you're not currently able to execute it?

 

[Ash24]

So far this season, when he is not hurting himself or the victim of friendly fire, JSOS has proven to be one of the key components of our forward line, which in my mind puts him well ahead of Gov.

As we seem to have a shortage of defensive talls, I think Gov may well have to be moved to defence if he is to continue to be in our 22 in the future.

The only way I can see him coming into the backline is for Parks, who I personally would prefer instead.