Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[blues4flag]

I'm glad you're not our list manager.

Arguing about how fringe player X replacing fringe player Y one week will make all the difference, only to argue the next week that we need to bring back fringe player Y because fringe player X is no good gets pretty tiresome.

List hasn't changed a huge deal. More injuries than last year. Yet performances are night and day.

We spent 20 years arguing about fringe players. Voss comes in, says to hell with that, and genuinely instills a next man up mentality in the playing group. Don't matter if it's Weiters, Young, Durdin or Kemp, we've held up.

If that doesn't tell you that system, structure and work ethic trump personnel then you haven't been paying enough attention.

There's been numerous examples every year of fringe players playing well in top sides only to fade away to obscurity as the talent around them falls away.

Start with a good system. Add strong leadership. Add a hungry playing group determined to succeed. Add a core group (6-8) A-graders. Add solid players around them that enable the team to implement the system structurally. Add depth in key positions.

 

[thylacine60]

no caro on crucified tonight! aaaahhh!!!

 

[thylacine60]

barrett calls * win at the gabba a "fake win"..........

 

[thylacine60]

Noah's day with the Blues

After sharing messages during his chemotherapy, brave young 'Bagger Noah had the chance to meet his heroes Sam Docherty and Patrick Cripps in person.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[F_therest]

Arguing about how fringe player X replacing fringe player Y one week will make all the difference, only to argue the next week that we need to bring back fringe player Y because fringe player X is no good gets pretty tiresome.

List hasn't changed a huge deal. More injuries than last year. Yet performances are night and day.

We spent 20 years arguing about fringe players. Voss comes in, says to hell with that, and genuinely instills a next man up mentality in the playing group. Don't matter if it's Weiters, Young, Durdin or Kemp, we've held up.

If that doesn't tell you that system, structure and work ethic trump personnel then you haven't been paying enough attention.

There's been numerous examples every year of fringe players playing well in top sides only to fade away to obscurity as the talent around them falls away.

Start with a good system. Add strong leadership. Add a hungry playing group determined to succeed. Add a core group (6-8) A-graders. Add solid players around them that enable the team to implement the system structurally. Add depth in key positions.

That's true but who you choose to be your fringe players and the traits they bring is still vitally important.

 

[thylacine60]

kane cornes

Kane Cornes

Age

42

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183cm

Wt

78kg

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Mid

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23.5

5star

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12.5

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11.0

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M

5.2

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T

3.3

5star

CL

2.6

4star

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13.0

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.2

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& sam maclure arguing whether jaidyn stephenson

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Jaidyn Stephenson

Age

26

Ht

189cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

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D

13.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

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4.4

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M

4.7

4star

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2.6

4star

G

1.5

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

6.7

3star

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4.3

3star

M

3.5

3star

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2.7

4star

G

1.2

5star

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12.6

4star

K

8.0

3star

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4.6

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M

3.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.4

5star

is at the cross-roads..........time better spent on violet crumble v crunchie bar...........

 

[thylacine60]

omg, damo throws ralphy under a big bus..............

 

[OldBlueFan]

kane cornes & sam maclure arguing whether jaidyn stephenson is at the cross-roads..........time better spent on violet crumble v crunchie bar...........

Damn you Thy!! Always asking the tough questions!

 

[Gethelred]

kane cornes & sam maclure arguing whether jaidyn stephenson is at the cross-roads..........time better spent on violet crumble v crunchie bar...........

Don't start that one again!

 

[Gethelred]

Noah's day with the Blues

After sharing messages during his chemotherapy, brave young 'Bagger Noah had the chance to meet his heroes Sam Docherty and Patrick Cripps in person.

www.carltonfc.com.au

I can get pretty cynical about things sometimes, but even something as small as Jack Newnes slowing, reaching down and making sure the little bloke he was running next to was feeling safe, having a good time.

We've got a good bunch at the moment.

 

[katmanblue]

Definitely not Charlie if this is his Poker face:
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Hehe

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[thylacine60]

Damn you Thy!! Always asking the tough questions!

Don't start that one again!

the people must be heard!

 

[BigFrizz36]

Another story in today's age about carlton having discussions with the afl about receiving compensation should Liam Jones

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Liam Jones

Age

34

Ht

199cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

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D

9.4

2star

K

6.5

3star

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2.9

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M

4.3

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

134.5

2star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.1

3star

HB

1.4

1star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

9.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

play with another club next season. The story states that the blues "expect to have positive discussions with the league about what might be a fair return for losing a key player of his quality to retirement for circumstances that were beyond the clubs control ".

Current rules state that a retired player cannot play for 18 months but carlton are happy for that to be waived provided they receive compensation. Carlton do not intend to re-recruit Jones.

 

[Bletch]

Another story in today's age about carlton having discussions with the afl about receiving compensation should Liam Jones play with another club next season. The story states that the blues "expect to have positive discussions with the league about what might be a fair return for losing a key player of his quality to retirement for circumstances that were beyond the clubs control ".

Current rules state that a retired player cannot play for 18 months but carlton are happy for that to be waived provided they receive compensation. Carlton do not intend to re-recruit Jones.

Blues could seek compensation if Jones returns to the AFL with another club

Carlton expect to have positive discussions with the AFL if Liam Jones is eligible to return to the league and wants to join another club.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Sector 7G]

Blues could seek compensation if Jones returns to the AFL with another club

Carlton expect to have positive discussions with the AFL if Liam Jones is eligible to return to the league and wants to join another club.

www.theage.com.au

Jones should just be treated as an uncontracted player. Carlton can trade and if that doesn't work he goes into the draft. Carlton should get a 3rd rounder or an upgrade on 2nd rounder

 

[Stamos]

Jones should just be treated as an uncontracted player. Carlton can trade and if that doesn't work he goes into the draft. Carlton should get a 3rd rounder or an upgrade on 2nd rounder

It's more complicated than that.
If he had have played this year, he'd be a Free Agent (apparently Unrestricted, but I would have thought 500k would put you in the top 25% of salaries). Then there is the exclusion due to retirement. And that his value will be reduced, due to sitting out a year, and age.

It would be great if the AFL treated our situation with some sympathy, get say Band 4 compo (end of 2nd round). Even Band 5 would be a lot better than nothing.

 

[BigFrizz36]

It's more complicated than that.
If he had have played this year, he'd be a Free Agent (apparently Unrestricted, but I would have thought 500k would put you in the top 25% of salaries). Then there is the exclusion due to retirement. And that his value will be reduced, due to sitting out a year, and age.

It would be great if the AFL treated our situation with some sympathy, get say Band 4 compo (end of 2nd round). Even Band 5 would be a lot better than nothing.

See if the afl can come up with the same formula they used when they determined the compo for Jarrod Waite.

 

[gandaal]

 

[Garters]

That Andy Maher / Gaze show on SEN does not work. So tedious. Just nonsense. Not humorous, not informative. Flounders in no man's land

 

[rp84]

That Andy Maher / Gaze show on SEN does not work. So tedious. Just nonsense. Not humorous, not informative. Flounders in no man's land

Agreed. I try to like it but it's just shit. Andy Maher's faux bogan accent turned up to 11 shits me to tears.

 

[katmanblue]

No love for the plow

Bad judgement.

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[Thrawn]

Agreed. I try to like it but it's just s**t. Andy Maher's faux bogan accent turned up to 11 shits me to tears.

He also reminds me of Milhouse.

 

[Garters]

Agreed. I try to like it but it's just s**t. Andy Maher's faux bogan accent turned up to 11 shits me to tears.

Spot on

 

[thylacine60]

That Andy Maher / Gaze show on SEN does not work. So tedious. Just nonsense. Not humorous, not informative. Flounders in no man's land

what production meeting green lights talking about the sponsors donuts for 50 minutes? reminds me of the rex hunt circus before it was eventually shut down

 

[Garters]

what production meeting green lights talking about the sponsors donuts for 50 minutes? reminds me of the rex hunt circus before it was eventually shut down

That producer needs a good hard look at himself. You're right that show will be on the block end of the season. Maher needs to go. His dumbed down intensity regarding the most trivial of trivial is ear bleed sort of stuff.