The most ignored stat in the AFL - Nathan Fyfes disposal efficiency

[E Shed]

Priddis hits a foot by target when he is stopped. As I said Fyfes disposal efficiency is actually worse during stopped play then open play. Priddis stats are in the low 70's for stopped play kicking. Fyfe is in the low 40's. Big difference

No worries, you hang onto Priddis and we'll keep Fyfe.

 

[Escobar123]

Fyfe, in addition to being the best contested marking midfielder, is third in the AFL for contested possessions, 5th for clearances, and has a very high kick-to-handball ratio compared to most other top ball winners. If dan jackson or spud masten can get these kinda stats then I am sure people will overlook their DE too.

FWIW, Patrick Dangerfield's DE is only 3% higher than Fyfe's and he is still regarded as elite.

 

[Coledinho]

Freo also play a style of game that probably doesn't cater to open targets quite as well (a lot of players congested around the ball). Might be a game style thing. Would be interested to see if Mundy and Barlow are really that different.

Freo kick a ton of sideways kicks though which Fyfe takes part in. Mundy has pretty low DE but is still a fair way off and absolutely miles off in terms of clangers

Cant believe I didnt mention this before btw. The most intercepted kicks by the opposition. Nathan Fyfe

 

[Bennett.]

We already have Matt Rosa. Why would you want his exact double?

 

[imperial_oz]

Don't feed the trolls!

 

[WCEbrody]

Fyfe, in addition to being the best contested marking midfielder, is third in the AFL for contested possessions, 5th for clearances, and has a very high kick-to-handball ratio compared to most other top ball winners. If dan jackson or spud masten can get these kinda stats then I am sure people will overlook their DE too.

FWIW, Patrick Dangerfield's DE is only 3% higher than Fyfe's and he is still regarded as elite.

Thread is way off but you sound about as informed as the op with shit like that^.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

It is a glaring stat. He wins a lot of contested posessions, which might impact, plus plays in a team that kicks to contests a lot (not sure if this effects disposal efficiency however).

You would expect more. If you just looked at those stats, he's really just a more talented version of Rhys Palmer, but I think there is something more behind the stats that the numbers don;t reflect.

Could be wrong though

 

[Plugger_87]

Freo fans thinks everyone is a superstar, they're more deluded than the bombers

 

[Coledinho]

Fyfe, in addition to being the best contested marking midfielder, is third in the AFL for contested possessions, 5th for clearances, and has a very high kick-to-handball ratio compared to most other top ball winners. If dan jackson or spud masten can get these kinda stats then I am sure people will overlook their DE too.

FWIW, Patrick Dangerfield's DE is only 3% higher than Fyfe's and he is still regarded as elite.

Your ignoring the key point. His dispsal is BETTER during contested possessions. It actually gets worse during uncontested play. Thats what makes him the worst kicker of the football in the league

Dangers stats arnt fantastic but he doesnt combine the problem by being number 1 for clangers, intercepted kicks and other various stats

 

[Butler]

Same style of player. Fyfe is alot better though

Why the hell would Eagles want another player who cant kick for though?

Rosa plays off half back/wing. Has a good tank and can play some solid football. Is only OK at best at winning the contested ball.

Fyfe plays through the middle and can also go forward. Is a very good contested ball winner and a very good overhead mark. In fact, his kicking is just about his only flaw (apart from his shoulders) and that can be improved.

West Coast need quality midfielders. Fyfe is a quality midfielder. More importantly, he is a one touch player that is very clean which WC are seriously lacking in.

 

[Coledinho]

Rosa plays off half back/wing. Has a good tank and can play some solid football. Is only OK at best at winning the contested ball.

Fyfe plays through the middle and can also go forward. Is a very good contested ball winner and a very good overhead mark. In fact, his kicking is just about his only flaw (apart from his shoulders) and that can be improved.

West Coast need quality midfielders. Fyfe is a quality midfielder. More importantly, he is a one touch player that is very clean which WC are seriously lacking in.

Kicking is alot more important then your giving credit for. Its one thing to miss a target but Fyfe turns it over more then anyone else too. Geelong are living proof of just how costly turnovers are. Fyfe leads the turnover stat.

How can that not be deemed relevant to his standing?

 

[Escobar123]

Your ignoring the key point. His dispsal is BETTER during contested possessions. It actually gets worse during uncontested play. Thats what makes him the worst kicker of the football in the league

Well that's just untrue he is a pretty good kick when he has a bit of space which he often doesnt because of his contested style of play. Not helped by the fact that like last week, kicks to our midget/unco forwards are intercepted by much larger/more experienced opponents.

 

[Escobar123]

Dangers stats arnt fantastic but he doesnt combine the problem by being number 1 for clangers, intercepted kicks and other various stats

Averaging a mere 0.9 clanger more per game isn't as big a deal as you are making it out to be.

 

[Coledinho]

Averaging a massive 0.9 clanger more per game isn't as big a deal as you are making it out to be.

It really is a big difference

Its worse also by the fact Fyfe dominated this stat over 3 years (along with Scott Thompson) whereas Danger has only really popped up this year.

Fyfe gets his kicks marked by opposition more then others. This is a important stat in football, Much more important then contested possessions in my eyes. Turnovers are the basis of Geelongs game plan and Fyfe leads that stat.

 

[West Coast 06]

We already have Matt Rosa. Why would you want his exact double?

People are just buying into the media hype. The fact of the matter is Nathan Fyfe is the worst disposer of the ball since the stat was created yet apparantly it doesnt matter?

The amount of shit Ive seen Masten, Jackson, Boyd etc get for there kicking. They have 10-15% over Fyfe over the past 3 years. Where is Fyfes criticism?

Reeks of double standards

Apart from the fact I actually like Rosa, he is nothing like Fyfe. I watch usually half a Dockers game a week (at half time I am normally bored shitless by their style of play and switch over to another game!) Nat Fyfe is the most exciting player in that team.

He is quick, he hits the contest, he takes a beautiful contested mark. Why is there a need to put down a player like that? Is it tall poppy syndrome? He is young and has had his share of injuries, if he was an Eagle you would be pointing these things out and telling people to give him time to fully develop.

(I am going for a shower now, I feel dirty defending a Freo player! )

 

[Freo Hitman]

Ive seen plenty of Freo games this season. I understand people rate his marking/his contested football ability. I rate those things about him too. It doesnt hide away from those stats though. It doesnt hide away from the fact player after player has been lambasted for there kicking while Nathan Fyfe, literally the worst kick in history since the stat started has been ignored a great deal.

Fyfe is a good player, elite he is not though. People who kick the ball at 58% over the past 3 years and are in the top 5 for clangers in that time frame have alow ot flaws. Flaws people ignore

He is not in your team , why worry ??? his disposal efficiency gets dragged down in his contested possession and he gets plenty of it & when he does turn it over how many metres has he won or have you not calculated that ??

 

[Scotland]

If Fyfe wanted to join WC, Freo would ask for Naitanui or Kennedy in return.

Says a lot, considering he's essentially Mark Blake with ball in hand - apparently.

 

[Forward Press]

I like how even West Coast fans are rubbishing the OP.

I found this especially ironic though:

It seems to me people judge him on stats

And then OP asks us to judge Fyfe on disposal efficiency percentages.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

He definitely should get in a few of those impromptu milk-the-clock kick-to-kick games between teammates at the end of quarters. Then his DE% would be good and he'd be a better player.

 

[Coledinho]

Apart from the fact I actually like Rosa, he is nothing like Fyfe. I watch usually half a Dockers game a week (at half time I am normally bored shitless by their style of play and switch over to another game!) Nat Fyfe is the most exciting player in that team.

He is quick, he hits the contest, he takes a beautiful contested mark. Why is there a need to put down a player like that? Is it tall poppy syndrome? He is young and has had his share of injuries, if he was an Eagle you would be pointing these things out and telling people to give him time to fully develop.

(I am going for a shower now, I feel dirty defending a Freo player! )

Not entirely about putting down Fyfe. More about the hypocrsy. Matthew Boyd has to be dropped because he cant kick the football according to everyone despite the fact he kicks it alot better (also gets a ton of contested ball so that wont fly). Nathan Fyfe cant kick the football but its okay because he does other things well (which is true)

Why one rule for Fyfe and another for others. Ive seen a shitload of players who are effective in other areas but are poor disposers get ridiculed week in week out. Why does the same not apply to Fyfe?

 

[Tippett2Goal]

Interesting the closest comparison you could find was Ryan O'Keefe the All Australian, dual premiership, Norm Smith, best and fairest winning midfielder.
I think Fyfe will be fine if this is who you're comparing him to.

 

[Coledinho]

He definitely should get in a few of those impromptu milk-the-clock kick-to-kick games between teammates at the end of quarters. Then his DE% would be good and he'd be a better player.

Its beyond DE though.

He is a clanger king and intercepted kicks king too. Something your ignoring (unless you think they are irrelevant stat?)

 

[Escobar123]

It really is a big difference

Its worse also by the fact Fyfe dominated this stat over 3 years (along with Scott Thompson) whereas Danger has only really popped up this year.

Other than Fyfe's injury riddled 2012, their DE and clanger % are fairly similar, lets not forget Dangerfield is I think 2 years older so hopefully with more experience Fyfe can improve in that area.

Oh and I think Fyfe can handle playing Geelong just fine, he scored 3 brownlow votes and maximum votes from both coaches against them last season, in a game where he had a DE of 50% and had a game high 5 clangers. Maybe one day you will get your head out of your arse and realise stats aren't the be all and end all, he exerts plenty of influences on games and that's what makes him one of the top players in comp

 

[Coledinho]

Interesting the closest comparison you could find was Ryan O'Keefe the All Australian, dual premiership, Norm Smith, best and fairest winning midfielder.
I think Fyfe will be fine if this is who you're comparing him to.

Its not that close TBH. Fyfe has O'Keefe covered by the length of Flemington. The gulf is huge but technically O'Keefe + Scott Thompson are the two worst after Fyfe (but they do clump up with alot of other players too after that, better players then O'Keefe too).

 

[Coledinho]

Other than Fyfe's injury riddled 2012, their DE and clanger % are fairly similar, lets not forget Dangerfield is I think 2 years older so hopefully with more experience Fyfe can improve in that area.

Oh and I think Fyfe can handle playing Geelong just fine, he scored 3 brownlow votes and maximum votes from both coaches against them last season, in a game where he had a DE of 50% and had a game high 5 clangers. Maybe one day you will get your head out of your arse and realise stats aren't the be all and end all, he exerts plenty of influences on games and that's what makes him one of the top players in comp

Sums up why this thread was created

Anyone who thinks the guy who leads the league in turnovers is one of the best players in the AFL needs a reality check (like alot of BF in all reality)