The most ignored stat in the AFL - Nathan Fyfes disposal efficiency

[dexter_]

Coaches don't seem to care.

Round 14 Leaderboard
75 Gary Ablett (GC)
57 Patrick Dangerfield (Adel)
54 Daniel Hannebery (Syd)
54 Jobe Watson (Ess)
53 Kieren Jack (Syd)
46 Ryan Griffen (WB)
46 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
43 Nathan Fyfe (Fre)
40 Jarryd Roughead (Haw)
40 Chad Wingard (Port)

 

[Escobar123]

Its not that close TBH. Fyfe has O'Keefe covered by the length of Flemington. The gulf is huge but technically O'Keefe + Scott Thompson are the two worst after Fyfe (but they do clump up with alot of other players too after that, better players then O'Keefe too).

yet he would still be your best midfielder

 

[Rob]

Freo kick a ton of sideways kicks though which Fyfe takes part in.

As someone who's had Fyfe in his dreamteam all year, I can assure you he doesn't do this enough.

 

[the distributer]

Let me throw this out there

Nathan Fyfes disposal efficiency

2013 - 60.9% (bottom 10 in whole league for those over 10 games and 3rd worst amongst midfielders)
2012 - 56.9% (worst in league for players above 10 games)
2011 - 61.5% (bottom 10 in the whole league for those over 10 games and 3rd worst amongst midfielders)

How can literally the worst disposer of the football in the AFL over the past 3 years (he has everyone covered by the length of Flemington too, except for Ryan O'Keefe) be considered such a all out superstar? Ive seen the likes of Daniel Jackson cop flak over there disposal week in week out yet Jacksons disposal efficiency vs Nathan Fyfe is nearly 15% better off.

How can a guy who hits his target this little be considered for a AA spot by everyone? It seems to me people judge him on stats as opposed to what he does with those stats. People want to consider him elite. The fact of the matter is that until he learns how to kick he isnt there yet.

Nathen Buckley had the highest clanger count for a couple of seasons, the reason was he rarely handballed and was very attacking with his kicking (60 mtr passes etc etc), would you say Buckley was a poor disposer of the ball?

 

[Escobar123]

Coaches don't seem to care.

Round 14 Leaderboard
75 Gary Ablett (GC)
57 Patrick Dangerfield (Adel)
54 Daniel Hannebery (Syd)
54 Jobe Watson (Ess)
53 Kieren Jack (Syd)
46 Ryan Griffen (WB)
46 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
43 Nathan Fyfe (Fre)
40 Jarryd Roughead (Haw)
40 Chad Wingard (Port)

should point out he has missed two games as well, I guess the coaches need a reality check too http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/members/coledinho.102122/

 

[Kram]

This stat must be really worrying for Ross.

 

[Coledinho]

Nathen Buckley had the highest clanger count for a couple of seasons, the reason was he rarely handballed and was very attacking with his kicking (60 mtr passes etc etc), would you say Buckley was a poor disposer of the ball?

If you think Fyfe is turning the ball over because he is trying 60m bullet passes I suggest you watch Freo play. IMO also the games changed alot since Bucks played. Turnovers hurt 10 times more then they used to.

 

[dexter_]

Freo kick a ton of sideways kicks though which Fyfe takes part in. Mundy has pretty low DE but is still a fair way off and absolutely miles off in terms of clangers

Fyfe rarely kicks the sideways 20 meter passes. He either bombs long under pressure or tries to thread the needle inside 50. He's a high risk, high reward sort of player, hence the low disposal efficiency.

Edit: That's not to say his kicking is not an issue. He certainly needs to improve his skills to an extent, but you're making to big a deal out of it.

 

[calyam]

Isolating a singular statistic is an incredibly silly way to judge a player. There is a number of more sophisticated measures, that incorporate all statistics, that try to measure a players impact on the contest. The two main metrics from ChampionData point towards a fairly great player.

 

[Coledinho]

This stat must be really worrying for Ross.

Come finals it will be. You got trounced by Geelong for that very reason. They kept marking your kicks

 

[Coledinho]

Fyfe rarely kicks the sideways 20 meter passes. He either bombs long under pressure or tries to thread the needle inside 50. He's a high risk, high reward sort of player, hence the low disposal efficiency.

100% agree with this TBH. Why isnt it a factor though?, Why is it excusable?

Chris Masten IMO is one of the highest risk kicks in our team and has been since he played for us. Tries to hit a pin point all the time. When he had Fyfe like DE he was lambasted by all. Why the double standards?

No one yet to answer this question for me

 

[Coledinho]

Isolating a singular statistic is an incredibly silly way to judge a player. There is a number of more sophisticated measures, that incorporate all statistics, that try to measure a players impact on the contest. The two main metrics from ChampionData point towards a fairly great player.

Single statistic. I isolated like 5

 

[Black Diamond]

There is a difference between an efficient disposal and and effective disposal.

 

[Coledinho]

There is a difference between an efficient disposal and and effective disposal.

Kicking it straight to the opposition more times then any player in the league aint a effective disposal. That is essentially the biggest point of the whole thread.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Sums up why this thread was created

Anyone who thinks the guy who leads the league in turnovers is one of the best players in the AFL needs a reality check (like alot of BF in all reality)

You were imploring people to ignore stats in the OP...

The list of the 'top' 25 players in the league for clangers in 2013 is full of players who have been All-Australians, or who are likely to at least be in the squad in 2013. Why? Because in pressure situations, their teammates are more likely to give the ball to the stars of the team, because they're more likely to make something good happen than the scrubs.

 

[Coledinho]

You were imploring people to ignore stats in the OP...

The list of the 'top' 25 players in the league for clangers in 2013 is full of players who have been All-Australians, or who are likely to at least be in the squad in 2013. Why? Because in pressure situations, their teammates are more likely to give the ball to the stars of the team, because they're more likely to make something good happen than the scrubs.

But when Matthew Boyd dominates this stat he should be dropped, is overrated, not good enough to captain etc. When Fyfe leads it, its because he is under pressure and winning alot of ball so thats fair enough then

Double standards by all

 

[calyam]

Single statistic. I isolated like 5

Might want to reread your own opening post then, or if you cannot be bothered just read the title of your thread.

Either way, your 'analysis' is incredibly unsophisticated and it is evident that you did insufficient research.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

But when Matthew Boyd dominates this stat he should be dropped, is overrated, not good enough to captain etc. When Fyfe leads it, its because he is under pressure and winning alot of ball so thats fair enough then

Double standards by all

All? I've never said that Boyd should be dropped. So I'm innocent, Your Worship.

Find someone who has said that Boyd needs to dropped because of a poor DE%, but has also said that Fyfe's DE% doesn't matter and you might have a point.

 

[Coledinho]

All? I've never said that Boyd should be dropped. So I'm innocent, Your Worship.

Find someone who has said that Boyd needs to dropped because of a poor DE%, but has also said that Fyfe's DE% doesn't matter and you might have a point.

Pretty much all. Widely in the media atleast. If you think otherwise I suggest watching more Bulldogs games. Infact 2 weeks ago Healy said Boyd should go because he cant kick. Wonder if he will say the same about Fyfe when Freo rock up next...

 

[Silent Alarm]

I personally think Fyfe's a bit overrated. Has a long while to go and doesn't dictate games enough to be considered anywhere near even possibly eclipsing Pav.

But in terms of wankfests, Naitanui wins that. At least Fyfe has a footballing brain.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Pretty much all. Widely in the media atleast. If you think otherwise I suggest watching more Bulldogs games. Infact 2 weeks ago Healy said Boyd should go because he cant kick. Wonder if he will say the same about Fyfe when Freo rock up next...

Should be easy for you to find some examples on Big Footy then...

 

[Coledinho]

Should be easy for you to find some examples on Big Footy then...

Bigfooty posters are not more important then Gerard Healy you will find.

Any Bulldogs fan who actually think Boyd doesnt get criticism for his disposal? Anyone?

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Bigfooty posters are not more important then Gerard Healy you will find.

Any Bulldogs fan who actually think Boyd doesnt get criticism for his disposal? Anyone?

So post this crap on Gerard Healy's Twitter or something rather than starting a thread here.

I would have thought that literally every player from your team and my team would have more 'ignored' DE% stats than Fyfe, since I have actually heard people banging on about Fyfe's DE% in the past and I wouldn't have a clue who the top 10 and bottom 10 would be at Geelong for this stat.

 

[Kwality]

We already have Matt Rosa. Why would you want his exact double?

People are just buying into the media hype. The fact of the matter is Nathan Fyfe is the worst disposer of the ball since the stat was created yet apparantly it doesnt matter?

The amount of shit Ive seen Masten, Jackson, Boyd etc get for there kicking. They have 10-15% over Fyfe over the past 3 years. Where is Fyfes criticism?

Reeks of double standards

Love the way the guy plays footy - cant remember Rosa ever getting as tag.

 

[ep2018]

I personally think Fyfe's a bit overrated. Has a long while to go and doesn't dictate games enough to be considered anywhere near even possibly eclipsing Pav.

But in terms of wankfests, Naitanui wins that. At least Fyfe has a footballing brain.

Oh here we go, Freo fans are more obsessed with NicNat than anyone else