Food, Drink & Dining Out The Perth Thread - Part 2

[Beerfish]

I rode on the Singapore trains recently and I think people see them as the Gold Standard of clean trains. Besides not having any graffiti scratched onto the windows, they weren't much different to Perth's.

I like the way they always stop at the same place so you know where the doors are going to end up.

 

[Kram]

They should arrive every 2 minutes like in Hong Kong.

 

[Off The Couch]

I haven't caught the South Perth ferry in years. How long does it take, 10 - 20 minutes?

I'm not really sure how more ferries would work because Perth is very centralised and Elizabeth Quay is right next to existing road and rail. I'd love to take a ferry to work if I could.

10 minutes but they are only every 1/2hr I think. Parking is an issue in south Perth so unless you were within biking or walking distance don't know whether it's really ever going to be a solution.

Might work if they had a faster one from Fremantle to Mends street or even Guildford to Mends. Wonder if they would be a cheaper alternative

 

[Scotland]

10 minutes but they are only every 1/2hr I think. Parking is an issue in south Perth so unless you were within biking or walking distance don't know whether it's really ever going to be a solution.

Might work if they had a faster one from Fremantle to Mends street or even Guildford to Mends. Wonder if they would be a cheaper alternative

Freo and Guildford are both already connected by road and rail. It's 28 minutes to Freo and 18 minutes to Guildford on the train. Freo to EQ you could maybe do quicker but I doubt you'd beat 18 minutes from Guildford.

Freo to Mends St wouldn't be that popular I'd imagine. Good for tourists and families but it's not a busy commuter route.

 

[Beerfish]

It'd be great if they built the second bridge from the end of Stock Road right through snobsville on the other side.

 

[Carl Hooper]

LOL.

Bon Scott died before I was born so comparing him to a popular hip hop artist of today isn't all that relevant. I also don't care if you know who he is or not, but you sound like a massive try hard. Do you have 'ganxta' rego plates?

Perth trains are fine, anyway. Have you ever actually ridden the subway to the Bronx or the tube to Brixton etc?

Anybody who isn't a middle aged white guy is probably perceived as a 'try hard' to you.

All I said was who is it because I genuinely didn't know and you've had to have a crack lmao you have something against me for no reason, you're a sad sad man

Perth trains aren't fine, the whole network literally runs 2-ways. North south, east west.. its poverty.
I've ridden trains all over the east coast of America, they're great. As are the trains in Sydney/Melbourne. It's no secret WA's public transport is trash n needs upgrading. Fk we don't even have a way out to the airport.

Anyway don't quote me again wit your bullshit

 

[Off The Couch]

Freo and Guildford are both already connected by road and rail. It's 28 minutes to Freo and 18 minutes to Guildford on the train. Freo to EQ you could maybe do quicker but I doubt you'd beat 18 minutes from Guildford.

Freo to Mends St wouldn't be that popular I'd imagine. Good for tourists and families but it's not a busy commuter route.

Yer I did mean EQ - I don't do public transport as I live inner city, but all I ever hear about how packed it is during peak and was thinking the river could be just another alternative and you could always throw in other stop off points - Matilda Bay, east Perth.

I've never even done the city to freo as a "tourist" let alone as a means of getting to work so I'm just throwing stuff out there

 

[Scotland]

Yer I did mean EQ - I don't do public transport as I live inner city, but all I ever hear about how packed it is during peak and was thinking the river could be just another alternative and you could always throw in other stop off points - Matilda Bay, east Perth.

I've never even done the city to freo as a "tourist" let alone as a means of getting to work so I'm just throwing stuff out there

I think it's worth looking into but more of a medium to long term thing.

The hotspots for development close to the city are East Perth, South Perth and Burswood, but they're so close together that it doesn't really make sense ferrying people 100m when you can just put in a footbridge. East Perth near Heirisson Island could conceivably be linked to South Perth and maybe even EQ by ferry.

There are about half a dozen bridges East of the narrows to about Guildford but only the two side by side in Freo going the other way. Granted the river is a lot wider from South Perth to Point Walter but it's strange that there is a 10 or so km stretch with no North-South connection of any kind. You could run a ferry service in that part of the river but the population density is fairly low so I doubt it would be viable. If you want to get from say Attadale to UWA then you'll end up driving/bussing a lot further than the crow flies. Maybe we should just build a bridge and annoy all the Golden Trianglians.

 

[Smeg Head]

Perth trains aren't fine, the whole network literally runs 2-ways. North south, east west.. its poverty.
I've ridden trains all over the east coast of America, they're great. As are the trains in Sydney/Melbourne. It's no secret WA's public transport is trash n needs upgrading. Fk we don't even have a way out to the airport.

Well thats why they are building an airport link. Trains here are fine, they shit on the Sydney ones that rarely turn up on time etc.

 

[Scotland]

But trains here are scust doe dawg, you wit me?

The (valid) criticism of Perth PT is that the network is limited which is a by-product of urban sprawl and poor town planning. A lot of people seem to think they deserve a train station walking distance from their house and also a 1/4 acre block and the ability to drive everywhere. Yeah, nah. If you want Singapore/NY PT then go and live in Singapore/NY. The tube in London is awesome, takes you everywhere. But it's not exactly luxurious, and in summer is a suffocating underground sweatbox. And unless you've got hereditary title chances are you're sharing your 1/4 acre with 10,000 other people.

As far as the actual trains and buses go, they are pretty good. The A series trains from the 90s are fine the newer B series trains are even better. Air conditioned, modern... do people seriously think the fleet of silver 1980s trains getting around Melbourne are better or more reliable? The stations in Perth are for the most part pretty good also. A lot of have been upgraded and refurbished. If people would rather get off at Jacana than Gosnells or something then good for them. I'll pass. I hate buses as a general rule but the Transperth buses are also pretty good. Again, if you live in bumf*ck nowhere and expect a service that goes from your house to exactly where you need to go every 5 minutes then you are part of the problem.

 

[Smeg Head]

But trains here are scust doe dawg, you wit me?

The (valid) criticism of Perth PT is that the network is limited which is a by-product of urban sprawl and poor town planning. A lot of people seem to think they deserve a train station walking distance from their house and also a 1/4 acre block and the ability to drive everywhere. Yeah, nah. If you want Singapore/NY PT then go and live in Singapore/NY. The tube in London is awesome, takes you everywhere. But it's not exactly luxurious, and in summer is a suffocating underground sweatbox. And unless you've got hereditary title chances are you're sharing your 1/4 acre with 10,000 other people.

As far as the actual trains and buses go, they are pretty good. The A series trains from the 90s are fine the newer B series trains are even better. Air conditioned, modern... do people seriously think the fleet of silver 1980s trains getting around Melbourne are better or more reliable? The stations in Perth are for the most part pretty good also. A lot of have been upgraded and refurbished. If people would rather get off at Jacana than Gosnells or something then good for them. I'll pass. I hate buses as a general rule but the Transperth buses are also pretty good. Again, if you live in bumf*ck nowhere and expect a service that goes from your house to exactly where you need to go every 5 minutes then you are part of the problem.

Pretty much they need a few more 'outside' hours services and a few more than dont just feed in to Perth iteself, but they are improving.

 

[Off The Couch]

When you have councils and state governments approving these bum **** nowhere sub divisions while at the same time encouraging people to use public transport you would think the government has an obligation to these people to make sure that the simple thing of catching a train or bus is available to them. The urban sprawl problem isn't their fault, it's short sighted governments not taking those things into consideration when signing developers off

 

[Scotland]

Pretty much they need a few more 'outside' hours services and a few more than dont just feed in to Perth iteself, but they are improving.

The former is easy, but costly. I don't what percentage of trains don't run at a loss or what it costs to run a train, but it's hard to justify more services when the existing services already run at a loss. I'd look into driverless trains, but then people would be up in arms about that too...

The latter is difficult, but even more costly. The new stadium is an example of good complimentary planning in that the railway station is going in before the stadium is built rather than someone turning around in 2018 and going '****, there's a lot of people trying to get to the stadium, maybe we should disrupt all the rail services and close off lanes of traffic and build a new station?'.

The airport I'm not convinced about. The new terminals are good, the road upgrades are great but the rail connection is still an idea for the future. Surely it makes sense to do it as you upgrade the terminals?

If I was planning future rail lines and stations I'd be working around a number of people in walking distance per station figure. People are probably prepared to walk a max of up to 1km (maybe) to a station, so that gives you a 1km radius around a station. 1km around Canning Bridge for example is a decent number of people. 1km around Bull Creek or Mudroch at my guess would be half or less. If 1km radii around those stations was zoned R40 or R50 instead of R10/20 or whatever it is then you immediately increase the number of people who can access PT without needing a bus or car connection... then you do the same for other stations just as close to the city on other lines... #Vote1ScotlandforPlanningMinister

 

[Smeg Head]

Of course you lose money up front, the savings is allowing more productivity in terms of moving more people and faster than everyone taking a single car.

 

[Mr_Bojangles]

I have to admit I only watch ABC news at 7pm now for Rebecca Dollery doing the weather. That dress she had on tonight was smoking.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

I have to admit I only watch ABC news at 7pm now for Rebecca Dollery doing the weather. That dress she had on tonight was smoking.

I saw her for the first time the other night. Talk about big melons.

 

[AAACockburn]

I saw her for the first time the other night. Talk about big melons.

Apparently, it is going to be a record season for produce.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Perth trains are fine, anyway. Have you ever actually ridden the subway to the Bronx or the tube to Brixton etc?

At least there is a train to the bronx. If it was Perth you would have a train that goes from the Bronx, cuts through a tiny bit of queens and end up in Brooklyn, While another line goes from Staten to Queens.

Our train systems are shithouse. Imagine cutting a lane of traffic on leech and putting trains down to fremantle cutting through all of those suburbs, curling through hell it'self in orrong road into welshpool and into the city eventually? <3<3

Would def wait at my station complaining it's not good enough when my trains 30 seconds late

 

[Breva_]

Linking the lines outside of the city itself would be a good move. It would save a lot of time for say someone wanting to go from armadale to freo or midland.
There is a plan in place to link the airport line to the thornlie line & then using the existing freight line in canningvale link thornlie to the mandurah line.
Follow this on linking the mandurah line to freo & look at something from the midland line to the joondalup line (would be the most expensive as there is no existing rail infrastructure) to cover the north east corridor & you are well on your way to a decent rail network.

 

[Kram]

I thought the airport line was going to just terminate on the other side in High Wycombe. I used to live there for awhile at my uncle's place right near the planned station in the late 90s and the worst part about the crappy suburb is being boxed in by the bloody airport and traveling around it to get anywhere. Having transport running straight through it into the city will be a godsend for those in the area.

 

[Spuddage]

Linking the lines outside of the city itself would be a good move. It would save a lot of time for say someone wanting to go from armadale to freo or midland.
There is a plan in place to link the airport line to the thornlie line & then using the existing freight line in canningvale link thornlie to the mandurah line.
Follow this on linking the mandurah line to freo & look at something from the midland line to the joondalup line (would be the most expensive as there is no existing rail infrastructure) to cover the north east corridor & you are well on your way to a decent rail network.

If I ever need to travel from Armadale to Midland quickly I think I would rather just jump in front of the oncoming train as something has gone horribly wrong.

 

[Scotland]

At least there is a train to the bronx. If it was Perth you would have a train that goes from the Bronx, cuts through a tiny bit of queens and end up in Brooklyn, While another line goes from Staten to Queens.

You're right, and the area would be home to 250,000 people - not 8.5m.

Everyone would just drive up and down Park Avenue so what's the big deal?

 

[Breva_]

If I ever need to travel from Armadale to Midland quickly I think I would rather just jump in front of the oncoming train as something has gone horribly wrong.

What if your dealer is visiting relos in midland & you need to see him urgently?

 

[Upgrayedd]

If I ever need to travel from Armadale to Midland quickly I think I would rather just jump in front of the oncoming train as something has gone horribly wrong.

"My local open house got raided by the cops"

 

[Spuddage]

What if your dealer is visiting relos in midland & you need to see him urgently?

I wouldn't buy drugs from Armadale or Midland, I'd be afraid they wouldn't work, like most of the residents there.