The Perth Thread

[Teriyakicat]

19,000+ posts already Teriyakicat.

SHIT!

Happy 19000th post to me....?

 

[Teriyakicat]

Generally the ones going to independent schools are the ones going for religious reasons.

Most of those going to private schools are going for the education.

Catholic schools are listed as Private.

 

[Forward Press]

And yet there are parents who send their kids to public schools who refuse to pay a voluntary fee of about a dollar a day?
If they all put in their $250 per year (which is what it used to be- not sure what it is now), the public purse would have a little less strain.
And some of these parents can afford a packet of cigarettes per day- or their weekly Lotto ticket- or carton of grog......

Sigh... life is just not fair, is it? Where is that extra dollar a day going to come from??!

The voluntary fees mean little. Teachers earn 20 times that amount in a year, a few parents not paying the fees just affects how long we have to keep our malfunctioning photocopier for. Education is a right, not a privilege anyway in my opinion. There are many issues I have with some parents in lower socio-economic areas (the smokes and grog included). but not paying school fees isn't one of them.

 

[Teriyakicat]

There are loads of low cost private schools. You don't have to go to St Mary's or Christ Church. And they are dotted around Perth, so you don't have to make the commute to the leafy-green suburbs.

Private schools are already exclusive and imo if raising fees causes more parents to send kids to public school, that's a good thing. No point complaining about the shit public school if you're not doing anything to change it by actually sending your kids there.

I don't complain about shit public schools

 

[Silent Alarm]

**** private schools.

My public school in a small town did well.

**** the school system in WA.

**** the way we reward little sycophants who are always going to have a support system and make it in the world, and the way we ditch and let the kids slip through the cracks who need help.

 

[Scotland]

Not paying voluntary school fees when you can easily afford to do so (the majority) says a lot about society.

 

[Forward Press]

What's the difference between private and independent?

Private - funded predominantly by school fees, can choose which kids they want, can but does not have to be religious
Independent - can hire or fire who they choose, many public schools are now independent too

 

[The Speaker]

Catholic schools are listed as Private.

Yes, most Catholic and Anglican schools would fall under my definition of private.

 

[Forward Press]

Not paying voluntary school fees when you can easily afford to do so (the majority) says a lot about society.

Doesn't help when governments in the past few years (from both sides) have made education the easy target in cost-cutting measures.

 

[Scotland]

**** the way we reward little sycophants who are always going to have a support system and make it in the world, and the way we ditch and let the kids slip through the cracks who need help.

Yeah, problem children get no support in the public system...

 

[Silent Alarm]

Not paying voluntary school fees when you can easily afford to do so (the majority) says a lot about society.

Used to happen an incredible amount – and with well off people at primary schools costing like $280 a year for two kids. It's appalling and I'm hugely critical of the schooling system and teachers in general.

 

[Silent Alarm]

Yeah, problem children get no support in the public system...

They get minimal support – try seeing school teachers constantly reward the kids who do their homework (I wonder why they do? Maybe because mum and dad care and make them, as opposed to someone who has a parent indifferent to their kid's education at best and see it as irrelevant at the least). Teachers heap praise on little pricks who have every chance in the world to make it. It's embarrassing and shameful.

**** teachers. Their ten weeks off a year, their decent hours, their $70,000 a year... and they have the gall to bitch about it.

Gonski would have been amazing.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Private - funded predominantly by school fees, can choose which kids they want, can but does not have to be religious
Independent - can hire or fire who they choose, many public schools are now independent too

OK- so the Catholic schools, run by the CEO, are not independent? The independents, to me, seem to be breakaway public schools- though I have only read a couple of articles when they first started to become a 'thing' over here.

 

[Forward Press]

They get minimal support – try seeing school teachers constantly reward the kids who do their homework (I wonder why they do? Maybe because mum and dad care and make them, as opposed to someone who has a parent indifferent to their kid's education at best and see it as irrelevant at the least). Teachers heap praise on little pricks who have every chance in the world to make it. It's embarrassing and shameful.

**** teachers. Their ten weeks off a year, their decent hours, their $70,000 a year... and they have the gall to bitch about it.

Gonski would have been amazing.

You should be a teacher.

 

[Scotland]

Doesn't help when governments in the past few years (from both sides) have made education the easy target in cost-cutting measures.

I don't think most people get what is actually being cut. It isn't music trips to Vienna.

 

[Forward Press]

OK- so the Catholic schools, run by the CEO, are not independent? The independents, to me, seem to be breakaway public schools- though I have only read a couple of articles when they first started to become a 'thing' over here.

They are independent. Most schools are now, anyway. You might be thinking of independent public schools (IPS's), where IPS's can choose which teachers they want (instead of being assigned one by the Department), and have more freedom in how they run their programs. A significant proportion of public schools in Perth are now IPS's anyway.

 

[Scotland]

They get minimal support – try seeing school teachers constantly reward the kids who do their homework (I wonder why they do? Maybe because mum and dad care and make them, as opposed to someone who has a parent indifferent to their kid's education at best and see it as irrelevant at the least). Teachers heap praise on little pricks who have every chance in the world to make it. It's embarrassing and shameful.

**** teachers. Their ten weeks off a year, their decent hours, their $70,000 a year... and they have the gall to bitch about it.

Gonski would have been amazing.

The list of topics you know SFA about is growing. I can see why you have issues with teachers.

Teachers reward good kids because good kids aren't little campaigners who make their lives harder. The kids who miss out are the ones who are smart/well behaved that don't focus and the ones that aren't so smart but do focus. They miss out not because the teacher is spending an hour putting gold stars on little Bronson's homework, but because the teacher is spending half their time developing 'behaviour management plans' and other crap for the kid(s) that is(are) being a little ********(s).

 

[Teriyakicat]

**** private schools.

My public school in a small town did well.

**** the school system in WA.

**** the way we reward little sycophants who are always going to have a support system and make it in the world, and the way we ditch and let the kids slip through the cracks who need help.

Yeah, problem children get no support in the public system...

It's a bit hard to help kids when there is no parental support.
The problem kids HAVE to stay in the school system until they're 17 or whatever- they get shunted from school to school- public system for the most part but our local private school has also taken in several kids who have since quickly moved on to be fitted in to another private school....

Not sure what good that does, though full credit to the schools who are trying to implement programs that aren't aimed at academic achievement and are trying to engage the kids in other career paths such as trades, etc. It's difficult to fit those things into structured school timetables and also keep the curriculum council happy at the same time but they ARE trying, as far as I'm aware.

 

[Teriyakicat]

The list of topics you know SFA about is growing. I can see why you have issues with teachers.

Teachers reward good kids because good kids aren't little campaigners who make their lives harder. The kids who miss out are the ones who are smart/well behaved that don't focus and the ones that aren't so smart but do focus. They miss out not because the teacher is spending an hour putting gold stars on little Bronson's homework, but because the teacher is spending half their time developing 'behaviour management plans' and other crap for the kid(s) that is(are) being a little ********(s).

yerp. Spot on!!
And the kids who have to be accepted into mainstream classes, no matter what their problems are, because it's not fair that they can't have a proper education but little Johnny down the road can, despite said child spending all of his class time shouting out, throwing tables around, spitting on his classmates and generally being destructive (and that's when he's not belting into the poor teacher)...

 

[Forward Press]

It's a bit hard to help kids when there is no parental support.
The problem kids HAVE to stay in the school system until they're 17 or whatever- they get shunted from school to school- public system for the most part but our local private school has also taken in several kids who have since quickly moved on to be fitted in to another private school....

Not sure what good that does, though full credit to the schools who are trying to implement programs that aren't aimed at academic achievement and are trying to engage the kids in other career paths such as trades, etc. It's difficult to fit those things into structured school timetables and also keep the curriculum council happy at the same time but they ARE trying, as far as I'm aware.

Kids can leave school before 16 (end of Year 10) - they just need to be doing an approved thing ie apprenticeship or full time employment. From my experience most public schools have lots of programs to engage kids in alternative non-uni/TAFE career paths but many parents have different ideas. It is not easy - imagine what you were like at 16 and whether you already made up your mind what you wanted to do for the rest of your life.

 

[Teriyakicat]

They are independent. Most schools are now, anyway. You might be thinking of independent public schools (IPS's), where IPS's can choose which teachers they want (instead of being assigned one by the Department), and have more freedom in how they run their programs. A significant proportion of public schools in Perth are now IPS's anyway.

Oh? OK. I didn't realise that. I thought they were still classified as private. My bad.
You're obviously in the education system in some capacity?

 

[Forward Press]

Oh? OK. I didn't realise that. I thought they were still classified as private. My bad.
You're obviously in the education system in some capacity?

Teacher. I've taught at the best and the not-so-best public schools and am starting this year at somewhere in between.

 

[The_Reaper]

They get minimal support – try seeing school teachers constantly reward the kids who do their homework (I wonder why they do? Maybe because mum and dad care and make them, as opposed to someone who has a parent indifferent to their kid's education at best and see it as irrelevant at the least). Teachers heap praise on little pricks who have every chance in the world to make it. It's embarrassing and shameful.

**** teachers. Their ten weeks off a year, their decent hours, their $70,000 a year... and they have the gall to bitch about it.

Gonski would have been amazing.

So you reckon teachers should not reward kids for doing their homework?

Maybe they should just not check kids homework or anything.

I wonder how that will turnout

 

[Teriyakicat]

Kids can leave school before 16 (end of Year 10) - they just need to be doing an approved thing ie apprenticeship or full time employment. From my experience most public schools have lots of programs to engage kids in alternative non-uni/TAFE career paths but many parents have different ideas. It is not easy - imagine what you were like at 16.

Hmmm... my son wanted to do the regular phys-chem-2Maths... but found that having a girlfriend was more fun, so his marks dropped down, down, down... until he was forced to take alternative subjects... managed to get his WACE, dropped the girlfriend, took a cert course, got a job and now wants to be an engineer He starts Uni this year.
He wasn't forced into doing the TEE subjects- he chose the course but having a girlfriend resulted in a major disconnect between what he thought he could do and what he was capable of.

When I was 16, I was fighting for the right to take Physics, chem and 2 maths

 

[Scotland]

As far as I'm concerned shit parenting is not the fault/responsibility of the education system or any teacher or teachers.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it stop taking ice and naming its children Jayden and all that.

It all comes back to your philosophy. If you have an hour lesson with a class of 30, that's 2 minutes per kid - on average. How much time can you dedicate to the worst kid(s) before it is to the detriment of the others?