The Premiership Window

[Lance Uppercut]

Richmond have more talent on their list imo, but Essendon have better senior players.

Will be when Richmonds youth find consistency that they will rise, that may well be in 2013 as they are trending upwards.

I disagree on the talent side of things. Yes Cotchin, Martin and Deledio are good, but so are Watson, Goddard, Zaharakis and Heppell etc. Who do you think in Richmond's young players eclipses Essendon for talent?

 

[Kcrack]

West Coast no good mate?

Not when they were missing half their team.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Not when they were missing half their team.

we had significant injuries as well. And we didn't just beat them. We thrashed them.

On that, though, I take it you consider that Essendon when destroyed by injuries were a shadow of the quality team they were as well, then?

 

[EasternTiger]

Richmond have more talent on their list imo, but Essendon have better senior players.

Will be when Richmonds youth find consistency that they will rise, that may well be in 2013 as they are trending upwards.

Good post loki. I've noticed this is the view of most neutral observers.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Good post loki. I've noticed this is the view of most neutral observers.

you think trending upwards is where Richmond are at?

I'd have to agree. But not top 4 this year, whereas Essendon could do that.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

West Coast no good mate?

One team of note. I stand corrected. And that was a home game, they are always more vulnerable away from home.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

you think trending upwards is where Richmond are at?

I'd have to agree. But not top 4 this year, whereas Essendon could do that.

Richmond have just as much chance as Essendon of making top four. Which isnt saying much. Medium term they have way more upside.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Richmond have just as much chance as Essendon of making top four. Which isnt saying much. Medium term they have way more upside.

how so?

 

[EasternTiger]

you think trending upwards is where Richmond are at?

I'd have to agree. But not top 4 this year, whereas Essendon could do that.

Yes, but I'm realistic.

What are you basing your top 4 aspirations on? You have been an 11 win side for nigh on 4 years. Where are the extra 5 wins coming from? Goddard?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Yes, but I'm realistic.

What are you basing your top 4 aspirations on? You have been an 11 win side for nigh on 4 years. Where are the extra 5 wins coming from? Goddard?

a very good age demographic window opening, and rewards for canny structural team development; as well as continued improvement shown last year that isn't ruined by weight of injuries

 

[Astro Bomber]

Richmond have just as much chance as Essendon of making top four. Which isnt saying much. Medium term they have way more upside.

Exactly. Everyone is in a shat fight for that 7-8 spot. 5-6 if lucky.

 

[Kcrack]

we had significant injuries as well. And we didn't just beat them. We thrashed them.

On that, though, I take it you consider that Essendon when destroyed by injuries were a shadow of the quality team they were as well, then?

Apart from the injuries both teams already had, West Coast (IIRC) also lost Hams, a Selwood and Nic Nat like a week or two before.

 

[EasternTiger]

a very good age demographic window opening, and rewards for canny structural team development; as well as continued improvement shown last year that isn't ruined by weight of injuries

If you threw in 'synergy' and 'maximising shareholder value', we could make a nice glossy brochure out of that.

Essendon have been injury riddled for 10 years. So you're expecting a 50% decrease in injuries, a 50% increase in wins, and improvements through 'canny structural team development'? Define canny structural blah blah please.

 

[Whispering_Jack]

One team of note. I stand corrected. And that was a home game, they are always more vulnerable away from home.

We beat Freo at Subi just after the mid year break, that was a team of note (in good form they were too) AND away from home...

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

a very good age demographic window opening, and rewards for canny structural team development; as well as continued improvement shown last year that isn't ruined by weight of injuries

More corporate buzzwords.

I'm sure fans of all 18 clubs could make such vague claims about their teams.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

We beat Freo at Subi just after the mid year break, that was a team of note (in good form they were too) AND away from home...

Fair enough good scalp against a medium to improving team. I was referring to who you had played to get you INTO the top four though.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

If you threw in 'synergy' and 'maximising shareholder value', we could make a nice glossy brochure out of that.

Essendon have been injury riddled for 10 years. So you're expecting a 50% decrease in injuries, a 50% increase in wins, and improvements through 'canny structural team development'? Define canny structural blah blah please.

words eh? Such annoying things.

By canny structural team development I mean the strategy of picking KPP who take longer, earlier, and midfielders later, which hopefully leads to them peaking at a similar time. Much like the age demographic argument you pooh-poohed.

Not as impressive as Gale's strategy of course. What was the name of that again? 50-2-15 or some such?

More corporate buzzwords.

I'm sure fans of all 18 clubs could make such vague claims about their teams.

And I'm happy for them to make them Timmy. Particularly if specifically asked the question. I'm more than happy for you to dismiss what I've written, but if you think concepts like list demographics are nothing more than corporate buzzwords then bully for you. I, and I'm sure clubs, think it's actually relevant.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Its a fancy way of saying Essendon has been trying really really hard to get a lot of good players to the club at the right time so that can be really really good together at the same time, and do it for a long time.

Novel concept, cant believe 17 other clubs havent tried to give it a go.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

it's not a fancy way of saying that. It's an efficient way of saying it. Would you prefer I put it in the simpleton terms you've outlined, using 30 odd words, instead of the 3 words I originally used?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Its an efficient way of saying very little.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

not really. I put it to you that Carlton have not built their list structure in a canny way that will lead to optimum list demographics. Any comment on that, or do you want me to express it in a more verbose way?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

All teams are aiming to build their lists the way you describe. Just because they are trying to do it, doesnt mean its going to happen as planned.

Essendons recent list of failed young talls a case in point - Daniher, Johns, Bradley...etc etc etc. They have tried many times over to develop a spine. Theres no clear evidence that they are going to do any better this time around. In the meantime they midfield becomes older and heavier and slower, not aided by the addition of Goddard, another barrel chest late aged player...the last thing they need.

How does Goddard improve your demographics?

 

[lihei]

dunno, but a few more question marks ought to sort it out.

Always seem to come across your deluded view of your team and your own opinion.

 

[Tex Support]

Please. Realistically you have the upper echelon who should be there, Sydney and Hawthorn. You can almost lock them in for top 4. Then you've got the next group of say West Coast, Adelaide, Geelong, and Collingwood who have a reasonable chance of getting there. Then the outliers who probably pushing for top 8 in Fremantle, Richmond, Carlton(I expect they are better than this group), North and maybe Essendon at a stretch.

Hawks, West Coast are both stronger. Sydney about the same, Adel/Coll down a little bit. Most of the rest will be a bit better due to up and comers but realistically I doubt enough to push the current powerhouses down. But then again, there is always some unexpected changes in a year.

'Please'?

What exactly is unrealistic about Fremantle finishing in the top 4 in 2013? Take off your Eagles glasses for a second and suggest a reason other than "I hope they dont because I hate them."

 

[EasternTiger]

By canny structural team development I mean the strategy of picking KPP who take longer, earlier, and midfielders later, which hopefully leads to them peaking at a similar time. Much like the age demographic argument you pooh-poohed.

In other words, you've picked some KPP and waiting for them to develop. Hardly canny.

Not as impressive as Gale's strategy of course. What was the name of that again? 50-2-15 or some such?

Well, every teams aims to play in finals, so that's a given. Gale and the club are actually on track to achieve the membership and debt goals, or come mighty close. Brendon outlined some very specific and measurable goals, rather than gobbledygook like age demographic and 'window'.