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[hayes]

Interesting to hear where that data came from?

It would be Netflix data. Usage goes up from those that “work” from home.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

My wife thinks I’m a pervert because I drank our waterbed.

How many pints were you in at the time?

 

[BigPowerForward]

What TF is a fisher!

I can't keep up any more with this gender neutral stuff.

 

[Saint Ray]

What TF is a fisher!

I can't keep up any more with this gender neutral stuff.
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Not allowed to say Fisherman FFS? When are we going to put an end to this bullcrap?

 

[bergholt]

Interesting to hear where that data came from?

The big tech companies (FAANG) have all done the research internally and it's pretty clear, at least for tech/product teams. People are bad at communicating when remote so they just don't work as well. It's fine when someone has a clear task to do but if they have to collaborate in any way (which is most of that sort of work) then it slows down hugely, compared to being in the office and being able to have ad hoc chats and meetings.

 

[Sully111]

Not allowed to say Fisherman FFS? When are we going to put an end to this bullcrap?

Excuse me

I believe the term is theycrap

 

[SaintsSeptember]

What TF is a fisher!

I can't keep up any more with this gender neutral stuff.
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poor birdy

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Excuse me

I believe the term is theycrap

i discovered ze when my kids were playing scrabble yesterday.

 

[gringo2011]

i discovered ze when my kids were playing scrabble yesterday.

Isn’t that Kanye’s mum?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Isn’t that Kanye’s mum?

Instead of he or she i think.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

i discovered ze when my kids were playing scrabble yesterday.

 

[StFly]

Instead of he or she i think.

"It" so the proverbial "F- It" can be both a derogatory term and an endearing one denoting attraction depending on tone.

Young people need to think outside the box instead of just looking at phonetics and people who say Zee vs Zed for Z and going "I like that, let's use that..." so they can be different.

There's a very good reason they get told to GTFO off of grass...

 

[BigPowerForward]

poor birdy

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Is that a monarchfisher?

 

[StCicatriz]

What TF is a fisher!

I can't keep up any more with this gender neutral stuff.
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do they mean the DJ?

 

[StCicatriz]

The big tech companies (FAANG) have all done the research internally and it's pretty clear, at least for tech/product teams. People are bad at communicating when remote so they just don't work as well. It's fine when someone has a clear task to do but if they have to collaborate in any way (which is most of that sort of work) then it slows down hugely, compared to being in the office and being able to have ad hoc chats and meetings.

that hasnt been my experience at all. i work tech and WFH. we've seen the opposite.

if anything i've found that people are sometimes uncomfortable speaking up in a group setting face to face, but over teams they're more prepared to talk.

i've also noticed people are less likely to get in "break room chat" where an hour will go by shooting the breeze.

also i question what they call "productive" and how they determine that?

i think the driver to returning to the office wasn't a subjective view on productivity but more a push by the investors into tech firms who also have interest in commercial real estate.

 

[bergholt]

that hasnt been my experience at all. i work tech and WFH. we've seen the opposite.

if anything i've found that people are sometimes uncomfortable speaking up in a group setting face to face, but over teams they're more prepared to talk.

i've also noticed people are less likely to get in "break room chat" where an hour will go by shooting the breeze.

also i question what they call "productive" and how they determine that?

Yeah there are pros and cons but on the whole there was less work getting done (in huge companies they have pretty good comparison base) in the same number of person hours.

And of course about 10x as much video streaming happening over company networks...

 

[StCicatriz]

Yeah there are pros and cons but on the whole there was less work getting done (in huge companies they have pretty good comparison base) in the same number of person hours.

And of course about 10x as much video streaming happening over company networks...

define less work though. stackoverflow, which is the go to resources for coders had a good article on this.

how do you define less work, is it lines of code? because more lines of code does not mean more work is getting done. if anything its a symptom of poor code. less distractions, means more concentration, means more thought given to code optimisation... means same functionality implemented with less code.

is it more story points (a metric used in agile to estimate work, instead of hours or days they use points) getting done, again very subjective and is based on estimates. is it based on functionality thats been implemented? again subjective. not everyone does capex/financial reporting for hour spent in software development so i'm guessing there's no accurate measure of $$$ per piece of work implemented.

is it the amount of time your mouse and keyboard is moving? i doubt its this as they would need metrics from before WFH became a big thing.

or is at as per the article and a simple case of how people answer an employee survey. this would make more sense as not everyone is coding. you have QA people testing the work. you have those who are in dev ops or cloud engineering that dont implement lines of code. so how do they get that metric on how much work they complete? then you get those in support roles... those in customer facing roles... those in sales... what about human resources/admin.

so if it's employee surveys... of course youre going to have people think they're producing less purely based on the environment theyre in. the actuality is very different though.

or did they decide... we've been told they have to go back from our investors who are losing money on other investments so make the report say what we need it too.

it's also worth remembering how insane the big tech world is... they have huge teams working on shit they never see's the light of day. how much money did apple blow on trying to produce a car: 10 billion and 10 years.

if productivity is just a measure of growth/revenue... they're more productive than ever.

what is an issue is wasting resources on shit that never goes live. so the productivity issues lay at an ineffective board/executive.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Yeah there are pros and cons but on the whole there was less work getting done (in huge companies they have pretty good comparison base) in the same number of person hours.

And of course about 10x as much video streaming happening over company networks...

The fact you can buy “mouse jigglers” to try and rort the system tells you all you need to know lol

 

[StCicatriz]

The fact you can buy “mouse jigglers” to try and rort the system tells you all you need to know lol

exactly... and not all roles use time active as a measure of productivity...

like do i measure how productive a BDM is by how much time his mouse and keyboard is moving... **** i'd be worried if his mouse and keyboard were active all the time.

 

[bergholt]

define less work though. stackoverflow, which is the go to resources for coders had a good article on this.

how do you define less work, is it lines of code? because more lines of code does not mean more work is getting done. if anything its a symptom of poor code. less distractions, means more concentration, means more thought given to code optimisation... means same functionality implemented with less code.

is it more story points (a metric used in agile to estimate work, instead of hours or days they use points) getting done, again very subjective and is based on estimates. is it based on functionality thats been implemented? again subjective. not everyone does capex/financial reporting for hour spent in software development so i'm guessing there's no accurate measure of $$$ per piece of work implemented.

is it the amount of time your mouse and keyboard is moving? i doubt its this as they would need metrics from before WFH became a big thing.

or is at as per the article and a simple case of how people answer an employee survey. this would make more sense as not everyone is coding. you have QA people testing the work. you have those who are in dev ops or cloud engineering that dont implement lines of code. so how do they get that metric on how much work they complete? then you get those in support roles... those in customer facing roles... those in sales... what about human resources/admin.

so if it's employee surveys... of course youre going to have people think they're producing less purely based on the environment theyre in. the actuality is very different though.

or did they decide... we've been told they have to go back from our investors who are losing money on other investments so make the report say what we need it too.

it's also worth remembering how insane the big tech world is... they have huge teams working on shit they never see's the light of day. how much money did apple blow on trying to produce a car: 10 billion and 10 years.

if productivity is just a measure of growth/revenue... they're more productive than ever.

what is an issue is wasting resources on shit that never goes live. so the productivity issues lay at an ineffective board/executive.

Haha I've been writing software for 30 years and running teams doing it for 20 so I agree with most of what you said.

But it's possible. The way you measure productivity in good product orgs is the number of experiments that get out there. The reports I'm talking about measure this fairly crudely as number of big/med/small experiments shipped per quarter. These numbers as a general rule drop for teams with any remote employees vs teams that are all colocated, and that's independent of team structure/management style.

The reasonably well-founded theory is that this is because remote people are less connected to each other and so to the problem they're attempting to solve, and as a result they go in the wrong direction more and miss out on short cuts which would come up in idle conversation.

It's the sort of research you can only do at a huge org because every software/product project is completely different to every other one, but look at it across enough data and you can see useful trends.

Does it apply to other roles? No idea, I haven't seen that research. Roles that are more transactional or well-specified - sales, customer support, book-keeping - I'm sure are probably fine remote. But it falls apart fast for more creative roles.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

So the very talented Tony Jones is in the shit at the Aus Open, trying to be funny and not being funny. Story of his career really.

 

[StFly]

So FML.

Saturday morning, all is good, drying myself after shower lower back went "nope" and legs to jelly as cannae take weight.
Insert cremes, rubs and "just push here and wince".
Sunday - hey I have a bath, water helps with buoyancy, so insert soaks, salts and such to many many bubbles and pungent smells. This brings in almost passed out as fumes and mad heat instances as this shit needed to be warm on a 34 degree day...
I can now hobble without support, huzzah! Progress!
This morning - sit down to work, any lateral movement spasm of pain, read update to no access but "plz take calls" and I'm like screw that, write note, in process of writing note get asked why I no talky, update manager on duty, get told provide cert like no shit fam, not my first rodeo.

Back pain is no joke, on plus side, day off from work to lay on my arse for a bit as cushions provide softness AND support...

Dr Google all "this isn't RA related however...." since I know I have "questions" on if it's affecting any lumbar support at present. So yet another chat to have about "so this stuff is bad, what else can I do to tell it to STFU and stop being a bitch" with specialist.

Yep, FML.

Now to prepare for putting things in a bin that is outside.... ....

Mini update - took recycling out, dropped a bottle, that kneeling down to pick up was a bit shit but otherwise only 4 "yeah not that direction" sort of pain spikes, I am thankful past me put glass things in bigger boxes for carrying purposes.

 

[sammm]

So FML.

Saturday morning, all is good, drying myself after shower lower back went "nope" and legs to jelly as cannae take weight.
Insert cremes, rubs and "just push here and wince".
Sunday - hey I have a bath, water helps with buoyancy, so insert soaks, salts and such to many many bubbles and pungent smells. This brings in almost passed out as fumes and mad heat instances as this shit needed to be warm on a 34 degree day...
I can now hobble without support, huzzah! Progress!
This morning - sit down to work, any lateral movement spasm of pain, read update to no access but "plz take calls" and I'm like screw that, write note, in process of writing note get asked why I no talky, update manager on duty, get told provide cert like no shit fam, not my first rodeo.

Back pain is no joke, on plus side, day off from work to lay on my arse for a bit as cushions provide softness AND support...

Dr Google all "this isn't RA related however...." since I know I have "questions" on if it's affecting any lumbar support at present. So yet another chat to have about "so this stuff is bad, what else can I do to tell it to STFU and stop being a bitch" with specialist.

Yep, FML.

Now to prepare for putting things in a bin that is outside.... ....

Mini update - took recycling out, dropped a bottle, that kneeling down to pick up was a bit shit but otherwise only 4 "yeah not that direction" sort of pain spikes, I am thankful past me put glass things in bigger boxes for carrying purposes.

ahh, your making me sad. i have had back for now for more 4 weeks. went to the Doc, Facet joint issues. man it hurts, including referred pain in my right leg. on pain killers, tried Osteo, hasn't helped. now will try today Exercise physiologist, and the probably Keiser training and see if that helps. if not then i need either quartazone, or steroid injections

 

[Saint Ray]

So the very talented Tony Jones is in the shit at the Aus Open, trying to be funny and not being funny. Story of his career really.

One would have to agree with him though.

 

[StFly]

ahh, your making me sad. i have had back for now for more 4 weeks. went to the Doc, Facet joint issues. man it hurts, including referred pain in my right leg. on pain killers, tried Osteo, hasn't helped. now will try today Exercise physiologist, and the probably Keiser training and see if that helps. if not then i need either quartazone, or steroid injections

Only reason I like having RA, many people have it, many documents about it to then be all "can this occur because of that..." to then formulate problem solving before having to pop more pills or getting more blood taken to figure out WTF is going on, and I can't even tell you have many people have seen my bare chest and how cold those instruments are.

Warm them TF up FFS.

All I know is, next month is my 40th, so nothing is ruining that, if it does, I'll beat it TF up. This is just one more thing to fix on a list of many things to fix.