2nds The SANFL Thread

[Heafy83]

The SANFL have every right to protect their brand from petulant people who go against their strategic direction, especially when it paints them in a negative light.

This isn't about living in a nanny state, it's about protecting their clubs values and financial interests.

Yes people have a right to free speech etc but also when you enter a SANFL ground you are also agreeing to their terms & conditions. I dare say this would be covered under one of these conditions.

 

[Mego Red]

What the hell is a weslo?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

What the hell is a weslo?

Rent a cop

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Yes people have a right to free speech etc but also when you enter a SANFL ground you are also agreeing to their terms & conditions. I dare say this would be covered under one of these conditions.

Usually on the back of the ticket you purchase or above the ticket booth where you buy it.

 

[Wright Away]

Rent a cop

We're slow

 

[WaynesWorld19]

It is a worrying outcome. this harps back the 80's when the admin couldn't see the forest for the trees and tried in vain to delay a national competition.

Surely at some point, push has to come to shove and AFC start making demands, surely they are not that "yes Man" that they will allow the current structure, which puts the club at a competitive disadvantage to continue.

I am absolutely against our own reserves side .......apart from being fashion of the moment in the AFL, what evidence is there that it's beneficial

Currently;
1. Young players play against men in a genuine competition
2. The gap is widening between state leagues and AFL teams .......having reserves teams in a "micky Mouse" competition only widens the gap

Sorry where are the benefits

 

[radiojake]

Cease loiter... what an absolute scumbag pig

all cops are bastards

 

[DREAM TEAM BUFF]

Cease loiter... what an absolute scumbag pig

all cops are bastards

Not all , only a few

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Take a video camera to an AFL game (if you even get it in) and see how long it takes before a red coat is asking you to stop filming.

It's about protecting broadcasting and copywrite laws.

That guy didn't know the law as he's not allowed to film anything on the premises of an SANFL game. So the police are only doing their job.

 

[StonesThrow]

That's police brutality and corruption at its finest.

I don't love the police either but those people need to grow up.

 

[radiojake]

Take a video camera to an AFL game (if you even get it in) and see how long it takes before a red coat is asking you to stop filming.

It's about protecting broadcasting and copywrite laws.

That guy didn't know the law as he's not allowed to film anything on the premises of an SANFL game. So the police are only doing their job.

I didn't see any footage of the game and the pig didn't say anything about that -

They were threatening a rubbish charge because someone was filming them outside of the ground acting like w***ers

 

[Team DJ]

Whens the last time any of Callinan Johncock or Porp played 4 good quarters of AFL Footy?

Thanks for the memories guys

 

[Cap]

I am absolutely against our own reserves side .......apart from being fashion of the moment in the AFL, what evidence is there that it's beneficial

Currently;
1. Young players play against men in a genuine competition
2. The gap is widening between state leagues and AFL teams .......having reserves teams in a "micky Mouse" competition only widens the gap

Sorry where are the benefits

1. Play "in the same team" = that is we recruit a player who then plays for the club - which includes rookies...rather than being sent out to places like Noarlunga.

2. Play the same gamestyle - self explaintary

3. Play the role we wish to develop, you won't have a KPF playing KPD or whatever annoyance there is.

seems to be the right way so far.....

 

[brucetiki]

I don't think the issue is having a reserves side, the issue is where they should play - and ideally the AFL would set up a reserves competition. For non-MCG/Etihad games they can be curtain raisers to league matches. For MCG/Etihad matches, play them at suburban Melbourne grounds 3 hours before the main game.

I'm happy to support a Crows reserves side, but I am dead against them playing in the SANFL league competition.

 

[cammo6556]

Anyone see siggo?

It seems as though his debut was all smoke and mirrors...

Sorry.

Actually keen to find out how he went.

 

[chazwazza]

The SANFL have every right to protect their brand from petulant people who go against their strategic direction, especially when it paints them in a negative light.

This isn't about living in a nanny state, it's about protecting their clubs values and financial interests.

The SANFL have no issue whatsoever with this banner being displayed at games as long as its not on the playing field. The owner of the banner has clarified this with Chris Davies from the SANFL. Saturday was a result of mixed messages and poor handling of the situation. They are the facts.
As for the money issue that you bring up, the SANFL own the two licenses, they put the money up for the licenses and have secured both their futures. The SANFL also own Footy Park where the games are played. Why are you surprised that the SANFL gain revenue from this? If the SANFL didn't return revenues back into ALL footy in SA then all tiers of footy would be stuffed. You seem to have a very slanted view concerning this.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

1. Play "in the same team" = that is we recruit a player who then plays for the club - which includes rookies...rather than being sent out to places like Noarlunga.

2. Play the same gamestyle - self explaintary

3. Play the role we wish to develop, you won't have a KPF playing KPD or whatever annoyance there is.

seems to be the right way so far.....

You do realise it's a cyclic argument ........it'll do a full circle and go back to NFL inclusion

 

[Cap]

You do realise it's a cyclic argument ........it'll do a full circle and go back to NFL inclusion

are you saying it runs in cycles or I am in a cyclical argument (i.e logic fallacy I begin with what I'm trying to end up with)

 

[AFC979810]

I am absolutely against our own reserves side .......apart from being fashion of the moment in the AFL, what evidence is there that it's beneficial

Currently;
1. Young players play against men in a genuine competition
2. The gap is widening between state leagues and AFL teams .......having reserves teams in a "micky Mouse" competition only widens the gap

Sorry where are the benefits

If we have a reserves side in the SANFL there are only positives.

They will still be young players playing against men - except this time our youngsters will be playing SANFL quality matches under the watchful eye of our coaches. They will play the position we want them to play.

They will also get to play together, which I think would be a huge advantage. Imagine having Lyons & Kerridge playing together all of 2012. These guys will play a hell of a lot of games together in the middle for our club and it would have been beneficial for them to play together for a season in the SANFL before going to AFL level.

 

[iamcorky]

Magies would have to be a strong chance to become ports ressies. Would be a shame, didnt mind going to and watching the boys play

 

[Heafy83]

Usually on the back of the ticket you purchase or above the ticket booth where you buy it.

I Know the T&Cs used to be displayed at the main gates when you walked in at Elizabeth oval as well.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Take a video camera to an AFL game (if you even get it in) and see how long it takes before a red coat is asking you to stop filming.

It's about protecting broadcasting and copywrite laws.

That guy didn't know the law as he's not allowed to film anything on the premises of an SANFL game. So the police are only doing their job.

This post is so many levels of wrong.

First and foremost, he was not actually on the premises of an SANFL ground when the police took issue with his filming.

Second, even if he was, filming something that happens in the crowd in no way infringes upon any copyright issue. There might admittedly be some issue with the broadcaster.

Third, if there was an issue with the broadcaster, it was an SANFL issue, not a police issue. It would be up to Weslo to ask him to stop, not police, as he is not breaking any criminal law. If he refused to follow Weslo's directions, it might be escalated to police.

Fourth, there is no suggestion that the police asked him stop filming because of a copyright issue. Actually, they did not ask him to stop filming at all, if you listen carefully. They directed him to scram.

Police have every right to direct someone to cease loitering in a variety of situations. One of those is if a breach of the peace has occurred, is occurring or is about to occur in the vicinity. So arguably the cop was within his rights to direct the guy to cease loitering.

However, it is probably arguable that the police can't exercise that power when they have CAUSED the breach of the peace (as I have read elsewhere was the case here), and/or where their true motivation was not to prevent a breach of the peace, but to avoid being filmed acting improperly. At the very least, you could make the cop squirm under cross examination!

As far as I know, there is no law preventing filming of "police procedures", as the cop in the video put it, when those procedures occur in a public place. Somebody might correct me though.

 

[ltdamn]

One of the reasons we've been in the finals more than we've been out of them in the last decade is when we've needed to dip into our depth and bring a player into the AFL side, they've been able to slot straight in after a couple of games to adjust and begin to make an immediate impact. The main purpose of a reserves team is to ensure that players who need to be called up to the first team are prepared and ready to go as quick as possible.

The argument for having an AFC reserves side that plays in the same jumper to the same tactics and positions is strong, much like Hawthorn used their reserves team to this fashion in the late 80's and early 90's to blood players for the system they played in the VFL/AFL, although our biggest and most unique advantage over every other club bar Port in the AFL is that the quality of the competition in the SANFL undoubtedly prepares our younger players to be ready for the AFL faster and better than any other league in the land.

This is why players like Crouch, Lyons, Kerridge, even going back a decade to players like Mattner, can all come in and be impactful in their first 5-10 games rather than just making up the numbers for their development. A player who is dominating in the SANFL is historically, more often than not, is a fairly good bet to be an AFL player. A player who is dominating in the NEAFL, is no such thing, and the gap between that league and senior football is huge. The same would be the case if we had a team in an AFL reserves competition, which would be somewhere between the U18 comp and SANFL reserves in standard, and have the added effect of leeching good players from comps such as the SANFL to fill up the numbers as players hoped to push their cases to the relevant AFL clubs for drafting as mature age rookies the following season.

I for one do not think an AFL reserves/NEAFL team is either the best available development solution for the AFC, or a positive for the SANFL/WAFL. The SANFL is in a corner right now, facing losing ownership of it's 2 AFL license cash-cows, a business model that relies on one of the smallest markets in the country and pokies to sustain it, and the constant threat of losing what's left of its remaining meagre TV coverage.

I love the SANFL, I always will because it is my child-hood, and one of the saddest things I can think of is that my children, let alone people I talk to under 25 today, will never fully understand the tribal loyalties of the old local rivalries and having all that so close to your own doorstep. However, in the same way the VFL stayed alive through expansion, kept it's old rivalries intact, and added new ones to eventually make it stronger - it's time for the SANFL to expand (if it's not too late already) and cement it's place as the second best competition in the land. That needs to start with all of Port's players being aligned to the Magpies, and all of the AFC's players being aligned to a specific club or having it's own stand-alone team, which would give us the benefit of being able to bring in players from other senior leagues around the country as supplemental players and keeping a close eye on their development and potential for a season.

Make no mistake, the AFL will get it's secondary league somehow at some stage, somewhere, and that league will supplant the SANFL as the primary competition outside of the AFL for players to show their wares. Once that happens, and the SANFL is no longer propping itself up with the AFL licenses, the quality of football will drop, it will become totally irrelevant to a younger generation, and the clubs will be desperate to survive on what pokies money they can garner.

Do something, and at least they can do it on their own terms, and preserve what history and memories we have for the future. Do nothing, and the SANFL is in serious trouble in 10 years, and all we will have are the memories of what history we failed to preserve.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

are you saying it runs in cycles or I am in a cyclical argument (i.e logic fallacy I begin with what I'm trying to end up with)

no i am saying what i fashionable now (to have own reserves teams) will be unfashionable again ......as it did to go from VFL reserves to VFL back to reserves teams.

It's classic "follow the leader"

 

[Cap]

no i am saying what i fashionable now (to have own reserves teams) will be unfashionable again ......as it did to go from VFL reserves to VFL back to reserves teams.

It's classic "follow the leader"

I don't think it was fashion, I think it was money.