the people that say the gold coast has a transient population are the same that go on holiday to the gold coast and only visit cavil ave and the theme parks.
The state of the Giants and Suns
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McKenna said the same thing on the sacked podcsst but it wasn't ever going to end well being reliant on one player.
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I was there in may, it's a great place but the demographics are very different compared to other cities.
Where did you go? Where did you stay?
the people that say the gold coast has a transient population are the same that go on holiday to the gold coast and only visit cavil ave and the theme parks.
jack leslie is 24, and was a similar player to previously delisted henry schade. KPD, draft bolter (aka no one had them anywhere near where they were picked but scott clayton put on his blindfold and had a chuck), played a fair few games but in the end just doesn't cut it at the top level. leslie always seemed a bit uncoordinated too, never had much composure. i'd say 6 years in the system, playing for a team with plenty of injuries but unable to hold down a spot is enough time.
nutting played out his contract and as above, couldn't even manage a game in a team with ample injuries. might turn into one of those guys that needs a few more seasons playing against blokes in the reserves to give it another crack.
scheer couldn't kick to save his life, has probably one of the most awkward ball drops i've seen. got delisted and rookie listed last year as a bit of a last chance move, but unfortunately couldn't make the most of it. of the three delistings i'd have preferred to keep scheer, but i suppose we're in a position where we need to make the most of every list spot. i would have liked to see him get another contract, but oh well.
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I stayed in Tugan.... I went to all the touristy places I guess? I did drive to Tweed Heads and also took the light rail here and there. I went to movie world too if that's OK?
agreed in a sense, locking away so much money on one player certainly did hinder our development, in not being able to target the better mature aged players (whether they would have wanted to play for us is another story). i'm sure everyone remembers the "they can't win without gaz" narrative for years, our club's mentality that all funnelled to him was ****ed.
Wasn’t having a go. Was just curious what made you say the demographics are different
Tugun is tops!!
2016 Gold Coast (C), Census All persons QuickStats | Australian Bureau of Statistics
Seems quite on the average for australia in most age groups. Other stats at the link
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Nah, 1 kid isn't going to be the catalyst for us to rebound. I have no issues with GC getting the first 2 picks however it's not going to solve their problems.
Yep. Seriously, if they could somehow manage to eradicate the toxic cycle of overpaying to retain average players, which places increasing strain on the TPP and salary cap leading to more player retention issues as they don't have cap room to keep good players e.g. Jarrad Lyons
I definitely believe GWS is a harder sell, a weaker market, and rather than the suns, will be the expansion team under immense pressure in 5-10 years.
They've got so many stars, extremely marketable players, a team that has consistently been in the finals, even getting home finals, for 5 or so years yet they can't get 10,000 people to their brand new stadium.
If the suns had the management of the giants from their inception, it's feasible to think they'd have a 20k strong membership base.
I definitely believe GWS is a harder sell, a weaker market, and rather than the suns, will be the expansion team under immense pressure in 5-10 years.
They've got so many stars, extremely marketable players, a team that has consistently been in the finals, even getting home finals, for 5 or so years yet they can't get 10,000 people to their brand new stadium.
If the suns had the management of the giants from their inception, it's feasible to think they'd have a 20k strong membership base.
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GWS had the mini draft picks plus they also picked teams to come last in their first couple of seasons. They farmed picks on a scale hitherto undreamt of
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Ah fair enough, sorry.
Tugan is awesome.... Having surf clubs everywhere is pretty great a d different from what we get here in Melbourne (coffee and cafes every shop serving 6 dollar lattes)
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Yeah absolutely... You did cop injuries to young guns too iirc, prestia, bennell (self inflicted maybe?), lynch, Rory Thompson, Day, swallow, JoM.... I suppose it was the perfect storm. Were the medicos to blame for some of it and were they shown the door?
prestia missed a year with a knee injury, besides that he had some pretty consistent years and was one of our better players in his time with us.
bennell will forever be one i wish we kept, even though i knew at the time he had to go. will never forget his 6 goal performance against the cats, he has so much talent that it's a shame for him not to be in the league. no idea what's going on with his calf at the moment, but at the suns he did have quite a few recurring soft tissue injuries, which could have been a number of things including lack of professionalism?
lynch, swallow & o'meara all had knee problems, the first two you could argue they were thrown to the wolves early and had to cope with the bash and crash of footy a big too much for their age. o'meara miraculously seems to be over his injury plagued seasons at the suns, as does lynch who seemed to have a good year at the tiges so far off an albeit limited preseason (although he did that a few times with us too).
thompson & day both had some pretty tough runs with injury, day shattered his hip which was likened to a car crash type injury, and rory did his ACL. there were plenty more injuries of note (macaffer on ablett's shoulder another big one that derailed our season), and it did lead to a few of our top medical staff getting shown the door. seems to be a bit of a revolving door position for us. we poached justin cordy from the bulldogs who was percieved as the messiah but ended up being a very naughty boy and was out after 3 years, but it's the same old story and the new guy is pushing the boys to the limit and they're all feeling fit and training harder than ever...
a couple other unlucky injuries occured to our mature aged recruits. nathan bock broke his leg and was never the same again before he retired, and campbell brown and his broken hip. both highly prized recruits at the time only managed about 70 games between them over 3-4 years.
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Cheers for the details, doesn't make for great reading. Bock was a gun, that leg was terrible. Did you hear the story about Bock and his toilet break against Freo? Hilarious stuff.
What's the story with Cordy?
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The clubs are the ones that raise the tv money for the AFL, so naturally they hand it back to the clubs. In the AFL the clubs that people watch, Collingwood, West Coast ect.. get the lowest payment.
It’s the opposite in the English premier league, Liverpool and Manchester United got the largest payment by the league as they are the ones bringing in the tv money as they are clubs that people watch. That doesn’t mean the other clubs can’t survive.
This is each clubs revenue without AFL distribution, 2017 figures I believe. I think most clubs can afford the $12.7million salary cap and staff without AFL distribution money.
Collingwood $67million
Hawthorn $60million
West Coast $53million
Essendon $52million
Richmond $51million
Geelong $46million
Carlton $45million
Port Adelaide $44million
Adelaide $42million
Fremantle $38million
Sydney $37million
Melbourne $36million
Western Bulldogs $35million
Brisbane $32million
St Kilda $27million
North Melbourne $24million
GWS $16million
Gold Coast $15million
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To be fair Gold Coast was ahead of schedule early days. GWS made finals in season 5 (2016), Gold Coast were well on track in season 4 (2014) before the Ablett injury.
Then the midfield of 2014 that was so young and imposing (Ablett - 30, Bennell - 22, Prestia - 22, Swallow - 22, O’Meara - 20) never got close to playing together again.
Bennell - 15 games in 2015 then traded to Fremantle
Prestia - 8 games in 2015, 14 games in 2016 then traded to Richmond
O’ Meara - 0 games in 2015 & 2016 then traded to Hawthorn
Ablett - 6 games in 2015, 14 games in 2016, 14 games in 2017 then traded back to Geelong
Swallow - 6 games in 2015, 0 games in 2016, has stayed at GC but isn’t the same player he was pre-injuries
And it’s been rebuild after rebuild ever since
How is it 'laughable' when as you just tell us - we havent missed finals for 10 years?
GC have been in the comp 10 years and never made finals.
In fact in 2019 both the Suns and the Titans finished dead last.
So not sure what you are laughing at. We are polar opposites to the Suns. As you say yourself.
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Ablett got injured in rd 16 2014.
The Suns lost in Rd 11, 12,13, 15.
Thats 4 losses from 5 in games in which he played.
In Rd 15 they lost by 53. Ablett had 45 disposals in that game!
So yeah nah. Some revisionist history there.
They were clearly OFF track before Ablett got injured.
How do the Green Bay Packers survive?
Much colder than Tassie and SFA to do.
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Ths Suns only exist as a vanity project and thought bubble of Andrew Demetriou.
That's it.
Not sure why people on here are so desperate and emotional to defend them.
It's like people see the AFL as some infallible religious church and cant admit they might just be humans who make human mistakes.
Whats ****ed up is the AFL wants people to believe it is some oracle that doesnt makes mistakes so keeps doubling down.
Kind of like the Wizard of Oz or the Concorde project.
That's it.
Not sure why people on here are so desperate and emotional to defend them.
It's like people see the AFL as some infallible religious church and cant admit they might just be humans who make human mistakes.
Whats ****ed up is the AFL wants people to believe it is some oracle that doesnt makes mistakes so keeps doubling down.
Kind of like the Wizard of Oz or the Concorde project.
Where do i get some of that?
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