Society & Culture Things that Shit me part X- The Tenth edition!

[peternorth]

Ordered a pair of shoes on eBay and now I get an email saying they are out of stock

pics?

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Of course it's a problem if an AFL player is doing hard drugs. You'd expect professionalism in any occupation, and the specific set of professionalism in AFL should include the non-usage of hard drugs like cocaine. Firstly, it's illegal. Secondly, it's harmful. Thirdly, you don't know what's in it. Fourthly, an accident could come about. It's the same as if a player gets heavily pissed. It's the same as if a player does drag races on the weekend. They're all situations that could lead to an accident, damaging their body, the primary tool used for their job, and that's partly why the whole notion of player liberty for taking drugs is ridiculous. The other reason, is that it could harm their body. Like I stated before, a player in sport is using their body, thus, there needs to be a standard of professionalism when it comes to taking care of it. Lastly, if you're going to be taking drugs, at least do well on-field so you can justify yourself. Sorry for no paragraphs, my enter key is broken.

 

[peternorth]

Of course it's a problem if an AFL player is doing hard drugs. You'd expect professionalism in any occupation, and the specific set of professionalism in AFL should include the non-usage of hard drugs like cocaine. Firstly, it's illegal. Secondly, it's harmful. Thirdly, you don't know what's in it. Fourthly, an accident could come about. It's the same as if a player gets heavily pissed. It's the same as if a player does drag races on the weekend. They're all situations that could lead to an accident, damaging their body, the primary tool used for their job, and that's partly why the whole notion of player liberty for taking drugs is ridiculous. The other reason, is that it could harm their body. Like I stated before, a player in sport is using their body, thus, there needs to be a standard of professionalism when it comes to taking care of it. Lastly, if you're going to be taking drugs, at least do well on-field so you can justify yourself. Sorry for no paragraphs, my enter key is broken.

hahahaha lol!

 

[Shell]

A like for the enter key part.

 

[BALKAN]

If it doesn't affect their playing or training then who gives a monkey's dick what they do

 

[Hard Ball Get]

If it doesn't affect their playing or training then who gives a monkey's dick what they do

Because if it's out in the public it has a negative impact on things like sponsorship.

 

[Stratton_Gun]

Party drugs in Not too fussed about. If it ****s up their career though, tough t***ies

 

[cripppa9]

Anyone caught doing drugs (apart from weed but thats another discussion), should be heavily fined and/or jailed. Don't get why someone can be caught on film and not have the cops knocking on the door...

 

[peternorth]

Party drugs in Not too fussed about. If it ****s up their career though, tough t***ies

i dont mind that POV. you know the risks, or how it affects your body. but team mates or coach may not be so happy if you cant function.

Anyone caught doing drugs (apart from weed but thats another discussion), should be heavily fined and/or jailed. Don't get why someone can be caught on film and not have the cops knocking on the door...

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Anyone caught doing drugs (apart from weed but thats another discussion), should be heavily fined and/or jailed. Don't get why someone can be caught on film and not have the cops knocking on the door...

Jeez louise we'd need another 100 jails at least to cope.

 

[cripppa9]

Jeez louise we'd need another 100 jails at least to cope.

mmm maybe just the fine. Maybe the 3 strike policy re jail term I don't know

 

[ash_1050]

Anyone caught doing drugs (apart from weed but thats another discussion), should be heavily fined and/or jailed. Don't get why someone can be caught on film and not have the cops knocking on the door...

Any anyone caught drink driving should get jailed and/or the death penalty.

 

[PP34]

How everybody knows so much about other clubs players

Because believe it or not the players sometimes don't do a great job of hiding their behaviour.

Just look at Carlisle. I've seen some footy players in some real messed up states (no, not alcohol).

 

[PP34]

Anyone caught doing drugs (apart from weed but thats another discussion), should be heavily fined and/or jailed. Don't get why someone can be caught on film and not have the cops knocking on the door...

I hate do gooders like you.

Let's continue to waste people's time and money by jailing people for possession hey? It's done a great job winning the war on drugs.

 

[cripppa9]

I hate do gooders like you.

Let's continue to waste people's time and money by jailing people for possession hey? It's done a great job winning the war on drugs.

lol do gooder... that's great. It's not a waste of time and money teaching people valuable lessons. Obviously the traffickers should get a longer stint but surely there should be some sort of repercussions for ILLEGAL drug use. Drugs out there now are insane, it isn't winning the war on drugs but I am certain it is having at least some impact on some people. Better than nothing.

 

[PP34]

lol do gooder... that's great. It's not a waste of time and money teaching people valuable lessons. Obviously the traffickers should get a longer stint but surely there should be some sort of repercussions for ILLEGAL drug use. Drugs out there now are insane, it isn't winning the war on drugs but I am certain it is having at least some impact on some people. Better than nothing.

What valuable lessons? People go out there each week and abuse the shit out of their body smashing down countless amounts of alcohol. Yet when people touch the majority of drugs it is seen as a crime in the eyes of the law, and people can and have been placed in institutions where the likes of murderers, rapists and paedophiles spend lengthy stints.

The majority of people who don't touch drugs do so because they're turned off by them thanks to whatever they hear from others, or they're worried about the dangers that can exist. I highly doubt too many worry a great deal about getting done for using them, because unless you're some big time trafficker or someone important with untrustworthy people around you, police rarely care.

If anything the failed war on drugs pushes the prices up, makes it slightly harder for people to get their fix and scares some people away from touching any sort of drugs at all (sometimes for absolutely ridiculous and ignorant reasons). It also increases the chance of health problems with the dirty shit that people put out there.

The war on drugs is a crock, and the day it ends will be a step forward for the world. People should be allowed to use what they want, and obviously if things get bad they should be forced by support networks to seek help, like friends and family do with gambling addicts and alcoholics.

The shunning of drug users does nothing to benefit society, makes it real hard for many addicts to admit they have a problem and can make drug taking extremely dangerous with the environments people use them in.

As for professional athletes, you're never going to stop them from having some sort of outlet. From what we've learned lately many use gambling, some obviously prefer partying and the drugs/drinking that can come from that. The whole role model argument is ridiculous. As Charles Barkley said "I'm not a role model, just because I dunk a basketball, doesn't mean I should raise your kids". Couldn't be more spot on really. The ridiculous amount of vanilla types that exist in the AFL today can be blamed on this whole role model argument. There's hardly a character left these days, with the AFL getting to draftees earlier and telling them exactly how they should live as an athlete. It's all garbage.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

The role model thing is an unavoidable problem. It isn't fair, but not everything in life is fair. Fact of the matter is, kids, and even adults, are influenced by who they choose to see in the public eye. That comes with the job description, hence, living up to a professional standard publicly and privately (because that can become public) is purely part of the job as a sportsman.

 

[PP34]

The role model thing is an unavoidable problem. It isn't fair, but not everything in life is fair. Fact of the matter is, kids, and even adults, are influenced by who they choose to see in the public eye. That comes with the job description, hence, living up to a professional standard publicly and privately (because that can become public) is purely part of the job as a sportsman.

It's true yes. But you rarely see many incidents like the Carlisle one.

Most kids wouldn't have a clue about what players get up to. Should they be banned from going out and partying, going to stripclubs etc like all their mates would?

They get paid to bring in money to the AFL and their clubs, drugs have rarely ever affected that (Cousins was the big exception). They behave a certain way behind close doors and rarely does it get out so I've never understood the argument.

Look at Michael Jordan for instance. There probably has never been a greater role model for children in today's world. Was huge in the lives of many in the 90s. Yet he's an absolute campaigner off the court, was involved in shady gambling rings, partied late on game nights and basically did the opposite of what parents would want their kids doing as an athlete.

Yet there's never been any true outrage over that.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

Most kids wouldn't have a clue about what players get up to.

So wrong.
I teach 11-12 year olds. One in my class is a Saints supporter. He knows exactly what's going on and believe it or not feels someway let down.

 

[PP34]

So wrong.
I teach 11-12 year olds. One in my class is a Saints supporter. He knows exactly what's going on and believe it or not feels someway let down.

You're right. I'll rephrase it.

As a kid growing up I saw the whole Cousins saga and the documentary about his drug abuse. At no stage did I think to myself, "gee I'd love to just snort a few lines or light up some ice to smoke". Quite the opposite in fact, and if any kids hear about this sort of stuff and are inspired by it, that's on the parents who clearly have failed in their roles as parents.

I knew what Cousins was doing thanks to the media, I knew what it meant for his football but I wouldn't comprehend the full ramifications like an adult would.

The role model argument is a cop out. Bad parents always blame an athlete, a TV show or a song with explicit lyrics.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

You're right. I'll rephrase it.

As a kid growing up I saw the whole Cousins saga and the documentary about his drug abuse. At no stage did I think to myself, "gee I'd love to just snort a few lines or light up some ice to smoke". Quite the opposite in fact, and if any kids hear about this sort of stuff and are inspired by it, that's on the parents who clearly have failed in their roles as parents.

I knew what Cousins was doing thanks to the media, I knew what it meant for his football but I wouldn't comprehend the full ramifications like an adult would.

The role model argument is a cop out. Bad parents always blame an athlete, a TV show or a song with explicit lyrics.

That sounds more accurate.

I do partially disagree with the last paragraph though. The influence fellow children have is massive. Great parents can still have children exposed to not so great material.

 

[PP34]

That sounds more accurate.

I do partially disagree with the last paragraph though. The influence fellow children have is massive. Great parents can still have children exposed to not so great material.

I agree, but it shouldn't mean that players can't go out on a Saturday night (if the club allows it) or go somewhere in the off-season to blow off some steam. If the role model thing was something the league was serious about we would have a situation where the players spent the majority of their life playing footy and sucking up to parents wishes.

My parents from an early age gave me a great understanding of footy players, and I knew from an early age the majority had big flaws like many people you'll meet in society.

I idolised Adam Gilchrist as a kid and wanted to be him whenever I padded up to head out to the crease. His on-field stuff inspired me greatly. Up until about last year I never even had the slightest clue that he was an absolute party animal and his behaviour wasn't something you'd want your kids replicating.

It's why the media are such a bunch of campaigners. They'll pull the role model line, yet throw these attention grabbing headlines to sell papers, subscriptions etc which do the exact opposite of what their role model stories harp on about.

 

[BALKAN]

That sounds more accurate.

I do partially disagree with the last paragraph though. The influence fellow children have is massive. Great parents can still have children exposed to not so great material.

100% correct. Friends are the biggest influence kids will have.

The influence celebrities, athletes, video games, TV shows etc have on kids is greatly overstated.

 

[Rough_Edges]

Anyone caught doing drugs (apart from weed but thats another discussion), should be heavily fined and/or jailed. Don't get why someone can be caught on film and not have the cops knocking on the door...

Where's the GD award thread?

I'd like to nominate this for most stupid post of the year pls

 

[Rough_Edges]

The role model thing is an unavoidable problem. It isn't fair, but not everything in life is fair. Fact of the matter is, kids, and even adults, are influenced by who they choose to see in the public eye. That comes with the job description, hence, living up to a professional standard publicly and privately (because that can become public) is purely part of the job as a sportsman.

I guarantee not one person who saw the video who hadn't used coke before didn't see the video on ACA and say, you know what - I'm going to take up drugs on the back of this.

Drug use is rife in all of society including sport and definitely AFL. Jakes error was sending the video to a mate who passed it on to a low life gutter searching campaigner.