Tim Lane - Time for a Tasmanian Team

[fishmonger]

Never said it wasn't. Work it out. At minimum 550,000 on the Gold Coast, and this can double at various times of the year (and that would be understating it).

No, the ABS census counts transient population. If you have ever filled out a census, it counts both resident population and visitor population. You put in where you live and where you are right now. So if my family is staying with me in Melbourne, they are counted as part of Melbourne's population at that time. The population might be less at various times of year.

In Launceston (~100,000), (North East Tas has the highest 65+ % in the state BTW, so it is in fact much higher than 12.8%), 12.8% 65+, so 87,000 under 65.

You making this up or can you put a reference to it ?
From what I've read, the average age of Launceston is less than the state average.

Tasmania's population is spread all over. Take a drive around some time. Or don't you even live in Tas?

I go there several times a year.
It might be spread out, but it is a small state and it is still urban - outside of the populated areas of the North and the South, most of it is wilderness. Victoria is a bigger state and there are several coaches at the MCG each weekend carrying people from Bendigo, Geelong and Ballarat, all similar distances. More still catch the train. Most of the rest of Victoria is also wilderness or farming.

 

[KingyOrTheKing]

You making this up or can you put a reference to it ?
From what I've read, the average age of Launceston is less than the state average.

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@...FFA0E2B16B6F5581CA256A79008323FB?OpenDocument

http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@...b75088348a68bb6cca256ec2007f5e6e!OpenDocument

Mentions many North Eastern municipalities for high 65+ %.

 

[Father Jack]

No, the ABS census counts transient population. If you have ever filled out a census, it counts both resident population and visitor population. You put in where you live and where you are right now. So if my family is staying with me in Melbourne, they are counted as part of Melbourne's population at that time. The population might be less at various times of year.


You making this up or can you put a reference to it ?
From what I've read, the average age of Launceston is less than the state average.


I go there several times a year.
It might be spread out, but it is a small state and it is still urban - outside of the populated areas of the North and the South, most of it is wilderness. Victoria is a bigger state and there are several coaches at the MCG each weekend carrying people from Bendigo, Geelong and Ballarat, all similar distances. More still catch the train. Most of the rest of Victoria is also wilderness or farming.

You know, thats the sort of reasoning that got Jeff Kennet into so much trouble in '99.

FWIW I think it is pretty obvious that the GC could support a team long before Tassie could. it aint fair, but thats the way it is. A hell of a lot of work needs to be done on Carrara first tho.

 

[viccles]

You know, thats the sort of reasoning that got Jeff Kennet into so much trouble in '99.

FWIW I think it is pretty obvious that the GC could support a team long before Tassie could. it aint fair, but thats the way it is. A hell of a lot of work needs to be done on Carrara first tho.

Yeah I agree with that. Stadium needs a massive upgrade!

 

[Papa G]

Well, we have 9. Geelong gets most of it's support from the Geelong area.

9 teams is not too many, each Melbourne clubs helps to generate a significant amount of income for the other clubs, Collingwood doesn't need 50k members because the interest in games by supporters of both home and away teams means that usually you get a good crowd for Melbourne games.

You can say our membership base is low at around 25k, but in 05 we averaged over 40k attendances for games in Melbourne, a reasonable year on-field.

Interstate teams need a high level of support because little is coming from the away supporters. There is little difference between a club that has 40k members to one that averages 40k for home games.

The main advantage interstate clubs have is the availability of low maintenance stadiums to play games at. AFL recognise that is a major issue in Victoria and one that is mostly responsible for creating a significant difference in profitability.



What does Sydney or even Brisbane bring to the table that a Melbourne club does not?

Of the $1.4 billion generated by the AFL over the next 5 years you want to take a stab at how much of that revenue is generated in Victoria compared to anywhere else?

Sydney and Brisbane have been receiving $10 million every year in game development grants which are in effect free promotion work for those club, Swans are on the SDF after all these years of support, TV stations are forced to play games there, tell me what it adds to the competition as a whole other than just another team playing somewhere else?



North never tried to establish Canberra as a new home so I am not sure what you are getting at. Our games there were a good opportunity for Canberra to show that they wanted to see more footall and wanted their own team in the future. They let themselves down really because as time went on it was becoming less and less feasible to play games there.

The advantage we get at the Gold Coast are lights so the ability to play on Saturday Nights. That is better promotion, they have greater corporate and promotional opportunities there and they have a larger population.

Gold Coast had their own team, it went broke, as did all major sporting clubs there. Us playing games there gives them the opportunity to build up football, build better facilities and grow the support for the game. But it is a pipe dream that they will be able to support a club there in the near future.

If they do not embrace clubs wishing to help them develop the sport there then they definitely do not deserve a team of their own there.

Good on you. Although you sound like a punch drunk fighter who's on the ropes and is about to get knocked out, you're still on your feet, with your excuses, passion and misguided rational. Keep punching!

 

[illegaleagle]

Tassie should get a team, they would have the same pull as a geelong i believe who only get around 20,000 a game, getting 15,000 to games without an official tassie team is good and as tassie is pretty small could get fans to com from around the state. Also to make it a truly national game we need a team from there, not from the Gold Coast as queensland already has the lions and a second team would be too much. Tassie has suppoerted afl really well the last few years and could sustain there own team i believe.

 

[Tas]

Good on you. Although you sound like a punch drunk fighter who's on the ropes and is about to get knocked out, you're still on your feet, with your excuses, passion and misguided rational. Keep punching!

It is an extremely ammusing scenario because we are proposed as a likely candidate for moving interstate due to a minor financial issue and a membership level that is a few thousand behind where it is desirable yet the proposed destinations are not going to generate support like we presently have and will put us in a dire financial situation where the only solution would be for the AFL to prop us up indefinitely costing the AFL tens of millions per annum.

It is just a comedy scenario that people that claim to be sane come up with these dumb arse solutions.

 

[Father Jack]

9 teams in the one city is unfeasible. Seriously, if North knock back this opportunity then they are deluded. And I don't think they will knock back this opportunity.

Minor financial issue indeed.

 

[Tas]

9 teams in the one city is unfeasible. Seriously, if North knock back this opportunity then they are deluded. And I don't think they will knock back this opportunity.

Minor financial issue indeed.

Club is projecting a million dollar profit if we achieve a similar membership to last year.

All we have to do is increase our revenue to cover what we are receiving from the SDF, which we would do if we were given a reasonable draw.

 

[catman2006]

It is an extremely ammusing scenario because we are proposed as a likely candidate for moving interstate due to a minor financial issue and a membership level that is a few thousand behind where it is desirable yet the proposed destinations are not going to generate support like we presently have and will put us in a dire financial situation where the only solution would be for the AFL to prop us up indefinitely costing the AFL tens of millions per annum.

It is just a comedy scenario that people that claim to be sane come up with these dumb arse solutions.

How do you know what a Tasmanian side could generate in the mighty dollar could be a lot more then North only time will tell.

 

[catman2006]

Club is projecting a million dollar profit if we achieve a similar membership to last year.

All we have to do is increase our revenue to cover what we are receiving from the SDF, which we would do if we were given a reasonable draw.

It's got more to do with your marketing department then getting a better fixture allignment.

 

[Tas]

It's got more to do with your marketing department then getting a better fixture allignment.

Yeah, but the club has lacked the funds to really do anything on the marketting side in the past. The games at Carrara combined with the extra revenue from broadcasting rights, our new deal with TD, etc means the club will at least have the resources to start doing something about the issues we have had rather than just keep our head above water.

 

[Tas]

How do you know what a Tasmanian side could generate in the mighty dollar could be a lot more then North only time will tell.

So you see a team in Tasmania able to generate 25-30 million a year?

 

[fishmonger]

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@...FFA0E2B16B6F5581CA256A79008323FB?OpenDocument

http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@...b75088348a68bb6cca256ec2007f5e6e!OpenDocument

Mentions many North Eastern municipalities for high 65+ %.

Those stats are for 2000, you could at least get some 2003 figures.

But point in fact (from this page):

government areas with the lowest median ages for males included Launceston (34.4 years).

 

[catman2006]

North will have 3 years to prove to the AFL they can compete at this level in terms of money otherwise you will be relocated and most people don't want that to happen,just hope the new board has something up their sleeve.

 

[fishmonger]

Club is projecting a million dollar profit if we achieve a similar membership to last year.

All we have to do is increase our revenue to cover what we are receiving from the SDF, which we would do if we were given a reasonable draw.

While you are there, are you planning on paying back all the money you've received from the SDF in the past 10 years ?

 

[catman2006]

As interstate sides have proven you only need to have around 20 million and yes Tasmania could quite easily come up with that cash every year.

 

[KingyOrTheKing]

Those stats are for 2000, you could at least get some 2003 figures.

But point in fact (from this page):

government areas with the lowest median ages for males included Launceston (34.4 years).

2000 and the other is 2005.

 

[KingyOrTheKing]

While you are there, are you planning on paying back all the money you've received from the SDF in the past 10 years ?

Are you planning on giving us back our TV coverage?

 

[KingyOrTheKing]

government areas with the lowest median ages for males included Launceston (34.4 years).

Greater Launceston 65+: 14.3%. Perhaps not greatly higher than the state average, but over the North East, yes. A fair bit higher.

 

[frankc]

I say no more teams, The league works well like it is now

Spot on. 16 teams is enough.

The Hawthorn/Tasmanian deal will be the best Tasmania get. Tim Lane basis his article on emotion rather than reality.

The future expansion of the comp lies in the north not the south.

 

[Hawkk]

The future expansion of the comp lies in the north not the south.

...and West

 

[fishmonger]

As interstate sides have proven you only need to have around 20 million and yes Tasmania could quite easily come up with that cash every year.

Out of interest, what is the revenue of the Tasmanian Cricket Association/Tasmanian Tigers.

They've managed some hefty sponsors and corporate partners for a supposedly "provinicial backwater"
http://www.tascricket.com.au/default.asp?i=sponsors

 

[catman2006]

Their are not many companies who sponsor AFL sides who are not national finding a major sponsor will be easy as it a national competiton.

 

[Hawkk]

As interstate sides have proven you only need to have around 20 million and yes Tasmania could quite easily come up with that cash every year.

The ballpark figure is around 26-28,000,000 dollars in revenue to remain competitive.