Time to ask that question again...

[crows_4_life]

i know we have had many "pavlich coming home" threads, but i think the question needs to be raised.

If fremantle continue on this current form of losing, then they will struggle for a top 4 spot and who knows if they dont pull thier finger out even top 8, it happens every year one team pumped up at the start of the year and fails big time (eg. geelong in 06)

then you would have to wonder, regardless of him being captain, (as that was freo's way of trying to keep him there) if matthew pavlich will pull up stumps and ask to be traded back home to adelaide, players play AFL to get success not mediocrity.

what would you give up for him??

i'd give: van berlo (hate to trade him, but is a WA boy), Perrie (WA boy once again) and a 2nd round pick

or: VB and a 1st and 3rd rounder

 

[bus24]

We wont get him fact.

We'd have to trade our future away for him, not worth it.

 

[Tas]

We wont get him fact.

We'd have to trade our future away for him, not worth it.

I agree, given the exceptional senior players who will most likely be hanging up the boots over the next few years you would imagine NC will want the best picks to start recruiting and grooming some replacements.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The only way would be if he has some sort of disagreement or falling out with the Dockers. I can't see that happening as he doesn't strike me as a Carey/Gardiner/Akermanis type.

 

[thesouthernend]

If he was looking for short term success, ie 2008/2009, I would consider that Port maybe a club more likely to achieve in that time than the Crows. Not that I ever believe that he would come to us, or that we would infact trade for him.

 

[AdelaideFan]

Bugger pavlich

stick with bock!

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

If he was looking for short term success, ie 2008/2009, I would consider that Port maybe a club more likely to achieve in that time than the Crows.

Surely the lure of SANFL success would not be enough to entice him?

 

[Mad Dog]

ooohhhhhhhh FFS

 

[fightingdreamer88]

If he was looking for short term success, ie 2008/2009, I would consider that Port maybe a club more likely to achieve in that time than the Crows. Not that I ever believe that he would come to us, or that we would infact trade for him.

Van Berlo says you phail.

 

[maccas_no1]

As much I would love Pavlich in an AFC jumper I feel, for what the AFC would now get from him and what it would cost to get him far outweigh each other, unfortunately we missed out on him and it isnt worth 'paying out' alot to get him for maybe five seasons, and five seasons where he isnt in is his prime but rather in the latter stages of his career, I would only go after him if he had a major falling out at Fremantle and it cost alot less than if the AFC were to trade for him.

 

[Redline]

What is it with some people they just can't let go. We won't get Pavlich and if we did he would be well past his best and would be in a nother Carey like situation. I really wish people would get over their lovee affair with getting ex South Australians home, remember all the deals to get the Hollands brothers. Go for the best player availabel with the best deal.

 

[tribey]

In today's trading climate we'd have to give Freo no less than 7 first round picks, half our list, the 2003 Wizard Wok and one of our Premiership Cups - before putting Pav on a $4 million a year deal and giving him the keys to Parliament House.

We had two realistic chances to nab Pav. We blew one (1998) and spurned the other (2002).

End of story.

 

[showdownhero]

In today's trading climate we'd have to give Freo no less than 7 first round picks, half our list, the 2003 Wizard Wok and one of our Premiership Cups - before putting Pav on a $4 million a year deal and giving him the keys to Parliament House.

We had two realistic chances to nab Pav. We blew one (1998) and spurned the other (2002).

End of story.

What happened in 2002? Excuse my ignorance.

 

[Stiffy_18]

In today's trading climate we'd have to give Freo no less than 7 first round picks, half our list, the 2003 Wizard Wok and one of our Premiership Cups - before putting Pav on a $4 million a year deal and giving him the keys to Parliament House.

We had two realistic chances to nab Pav. We blew one (1998) and spurned the other (2002).

End of story.

Nail. Hammer. etc.

The ship has sailed. Time to look forward into another direction. Developing Sellar for starters.

While I am a HUGE Pavlich fan and have been since day one, getting him here is just about impossible and thats IF he says he wants to come to us.

Not going to happen. Freo have a good list that can go places and are a good coach away from going all the way.

 

[tribey]

What happened in 2002? Excuse my ignorance.

Pav - an avowed Crows man - was coming off contract, wasn't the superstar he is today (loads of promise though) and Freo were in the middle of another ordinary year.

We decided to go full tilt for Carey instead as the top-up intended to give us the 2003 flag.

I have no doubt that had we made bigger noises toward Freo and offered more or less the same deal (#4 - which famously became #2 - and #18) with an extra sweetener or two (Ian Perrie? Tyson Stenglein?) they would've jumped at the chance to draft the local boy in Daniel Wells.

C'est la vie.

 

[mick_foley]

Pav - an avowed Crows man - was coming off contract, wasn't the superstar he is today (loads of promise though) and Freo were in the middle of another ordinary year.

We decided to go full tilt for Carey instead as the top-up intended to give us the 2003 flag.

I have no doubt that had we made bigger noises toward Freo and offered more or less the same deal (#4 - which famously became #2 - and #18) with an extra sweetener or two (Ian Perrie? Tyson Stenglein?) they would've jumped at the chance to draft the local boy in Daniel Wells.

C'est la vie.

You are only basing that on speculation, who knows if Mathew Pavlich wanted to come home. By the sounds of it he has impeccable amounts of integrity and may have stayed to get the job done in Fremantle.

As for today – it’s time we forgot about Pavlich and looked towards developing our own long term players.

James Sellar is the new Warren Tredrea – only likable

 

[tribey]

You are only basing that on speculation, who knows if Mathew Pavlich wanted to come home.

Of course.

But what we do know is that he is a Crows fan and has repeatedly stated that he wants to come home at some stage.

During 2002 he was widely spruiked by the infamous people smuggler Max Stevens as being on the table. We can read this one of two ways, he was either trying to raise Pav's contract upon re-signing, or he was laying the foundations for a Nick Stevens/Fergus Watts style move home that never eventuated because we were intent on joining the race for Carey.

After Pav signed on the dotted line that was it. His value was always going to be too rich for our blood at the end of his subsequent contracts.

As for today – it’s time we forgot about Pavlich and looked towards developing our own long term players.

Precisely my point.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Wasn't he also a bee's proverbial away from joining Port that year as well?!

Once we officially announced via a press conference with Carey that he will be coming our way once we work out the deal with the Roos. A week or so later Pavlich, through his management made an announcement that he will be staying put with Fremantle. The announcement was made official during the Freo Vs Port match at Subiaco.

 

[relapse]

Pav - an avowed Crows man - was coming off contract, wasn't the superstar he is today (loads of promise though) and Freo were in the middle of another ordinary year.

We decided to go full tilt for Carey instead as the top-up intended to give us the 2003 flag.

I have no doubt that had we made bigger noises toward Freo and offered more or less the same deal (#4 - which famously became #2 - and #18) with an extra sweetener or two (Ian Perrie? Tyson Stenglein?) they would've jumped at the chance to draft the local boy in Daniel Wells.

C'est la vie.

Very very true, he held out until he was told by Adelaide that they were getting Carey before he re-signed with Freo. Port thought they had him but supposedly he was only interested in coming to the AFC and was supposedly told that if the Carey didnt commit to Adelaide that we would then be going after him.

From memory there was rumblings that Carey formalled agreed with the club on the Friday morning. Pavlich then advised Freo on the Saturday evening I think it was announced during a Port game that he was going to sign another contract and on the monday the AFC had the press conference with Wayne Carey.

At the time many people thought it was the right decision, but for what we traded for Carey we could have easily traded for Pavlich and you're right Freo would have used that for Daniel Wells.

 

[Tas]

Very very true, he held out until he was told by Adelaide that they were getting Carey before he re-signed with Freo. Port thought they had him but supposedly he was only interested in coming to the AFC and was supposedly told that if the Carey didnt commit to Adelaide that we would then be going after him.

From memory there was rumblings that Carey formalled agreed with the club on the Friday morning. Pavlich then advised Freo on the Saturday evening I think it was announced during a Port game that he was going to sign another contract and on the monday the AFC had the press conference with Wayne Carey.

At the time many people thought it was the right decision, but for what we traded for Carey we could have easily traded for Pavlich and you're right Freo would have used that for Daniel Wells.

From memory Carlton were penalised after the trade period and the draft that year wasn't considered to be super strong. Pick 4 was Tim Walsh, has given less to the Bulldogs than Carey has given to the Crows.

 

[macca23]

You are only basing that on speculation, who knows if Mathew Pavlich wanted to come home. By the sounds of it he has impeccable amounts of integrity and may have stayed to get the job done in Fremantle.

I do. As fact.

Source??? Personally direct from his family face to face. Not rumour, not speculation. Fact.

At the end of 2002 Pav approached the AFC asking them to trade for him as he wanted to return to Adelaide.

He was told that they were in the midst of trading for Carey, and they'd get back to him. They never did. Pav re-signed with Freo.

The AFC blew it thanks to Adolph Ayres.

Fact.

Port went within a bee's d1ck on the slack of getting him to sign with them at the end of 2004 I think it was due to the good work put in by Bucky Cunningham - a relative of his.

I had lunch with a family member of Pav a few weeks back and the thoughtis now are that Pav will NOT come back to SA as a player as he has a WA girlfriend and is far too settled with business interests etc in WA.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Pav - an avowed Crows man - was coming off contract, wasn't the superstar he is today (loads of promise though) and Freo were in the middle of another ordinary year.

We decided to go full tilt for Carey instead as the top-up intended to give us the 2003 flag.

I have no doubt that had we made bigger noises toward Freo and offered more or less the same deal (#4 - which famously became #2 - and #18) with an extra sweetener or two (Ian Perrie? Tyson Stenglein?) they would've jumped at the chance to draft the local boy in Daniel Wells.

C'est la vie.

agreed, one of the worst mistakes the AFC have made.

 

[bus24]

agreed, one of the worst mistakes the AFC have made.

We can thank genius here.



"Yeh, thats right, I'm ruining your future"

 

[Crow-mo]

From memory Carlton were penalised after the trade period and the draft that year wasn't considered to be super strong. Pick 4 was Tim Walsh, has given less to the Bulldogs than Carey has given to the Crows.

exactly right.

we traded pick 4 to you.

 

[relapse]

People can be critical of Ayres, BUT we dont know what the enviornment at the club was like at the time, maybe Ayres felt that he didnt have the backing of the club and immediate success was what the club expected of him.

At the end of the day we would all do what we can to preserve our jobs. It takes two to tango and while it is easy to blame it all on Ayres there was obviously some internal expectation on Ayres to deliver a flag and that is why he felt it best to look after short term options remember its more just Ayres who is in charge of the recruiting. I cant remember too many people against the recruiting of Carey at the time.