Tom Boyd

[joop]

I think that's why St Kilda fans love getting stuck into Boyd, they're hardly going to want to compare the young groups as a whole are they?

That's the funny thing about Bulldogs supporters, they constantly compare their young players to ours, even though we are a bottom 4 side to make themselves feel better. When we were playing finals and aiming for top 4 I couldn't give a shit about the teams down the bottom, you guys seem obsessed.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Very true, but he's had that delivery so far in his career and how's he made it all look?

I've bitten my tongue a fair bit in this thread - you're being a tool - but I'll simply say to this; watch more footy if you think this is even slightly true. The delivery he gets would be as bad as there is in the league.

 

[TiAn_]

That's the funny thing about Bulldogs supporters, they constantly compare their young players to ours, even though we are a bottom 4 side to make themselves feel better. When we were playing finals and aiming for top 4 I couldn't give a shit about the teams down the bottom, you guys seem obsessed.

Not really. Since we beat you guys there has been little Saints talk on our board. Save for a few chortles about the early season "Billings has gone past Bont" talk that has deservedly died down.

Most of the comps on our board are with GWS and whether our kids will be able to match it with theirs long term. Your list isn't really in the discussion.

 

[Senor Ed]

Not really. Since we beat you guys there has been little Saints talk on our board. Save for a few chortles about the early season "Billings has gone past Bont" talk that has deservedly died down.

Most of the comps on our board are with GWS and whether our kids will be able to match it with theirs long term. Your list isn't really in the discussion.

THIS

 

[The 747]

There's a genuine confidence about the Dogs, and that was helped by going out and getting Boyd.

Given the circumstances, I think his performance on field is almost irrelevant - they already won by turning a huge negative into a positive. Yeah he's paid too much but until it costs them a player they want (which so far it hasn't) it doesn't really matter they were so far under the cap.

 

[boydsno1]

Dogs fans bang on about how important he is to their structure, yet refuse to give him a game.
Pretty bloody expensive VFL player.

VFL player? HIs injured you muppet not playing ressies.

 

[joop]

I've bitten my tongue a fair bit in this thread - you're being a tool - but I'll simply say to this; watch more footy if you think this is even slightly true. The delivery he gets would be as bad as there is in the league.

Ok sweet, well that's why he's shit then. I guess your other posters preaching how good your midfield delivery is are talking crap then.

 

[joop]

Not really. Since we beat you guys there has been little Saints talk on our board. Save for a few chortles about the early season "Billings has gone past Bont" talk that has deservedly died down.

Most of the comps on our board are with GWS and whether our kids will be able to match it with theirs long term. Your list isn't really in the discussion.

Sorry I must've read all other threads different.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Ok sweet, well that's why he's shit then. I guess your other posters preaching how good your midfield delivery is are talking crap then.

You don't do yourself many favours on here, do you?

 

[joop]

You don't do yourself many favours on here, do you?

go on wise one, enlighten me...

 

[RWnBluey]

Methinks you presume too much

So you have multiple accounts?

 

[TiAn_]

Sorry I must've read all other threads different.

Mmm, other threads different you must've all read.

 

[10571z]

I think that having a youngish ruck squad has hurt Tom's forward development a fair bit. He's had to do a lot of ruck work and it tires him. Not to mention he has lost a fair bit of strength because of the need to increase his aerobic capacity.

To be honest too, I am a big Redpath fan. I like what Jack offers over Tom at this stage. I think question marks will linger about about Tom until they learn to play well together or if Boyd grabs the forward/ruck role Roughead currently occupies.

I haven't been a huge supporter of the Boyd deal I really am 50/50 at this stage. To me it comes down to whether Boyd actively contributes to us winning a premiership. I don't care if he kick 100 goals every season for his whole career. To me it boils purely down to whether we win a premiership with our current young squad forming the nucleus of the side. Whether he is 20 or 35 when we win a flag or kicks 300 goals or 1300 goals in his career matters little. As long as we get to the top of the mountain.

If you win a flag with boyd in the side its an absolute success the deal. Whether or not he is a 100 goal a game forward or a 2nd ruckman 30 goal a year player.

 

[Defacto]

I think that's why St Kilda fans love getting stuck into Boyd, they're hardly going to want to compare the young groups as a whole are they?

We are happy to compare tim membrey to tom boyd. You can bring up their tac cup, neafl and vfl stats too if you want.

 

[Bulldog1954]

We are happy to compare tim membrey to tom boyd. You can bring up their tac cup, neafl and vfl stats too if you want.

I'm fully aware that many St Kilda fans are happy to compare Boyd to anything.
Any other comparison between the two sides current lists would be too one sided.

 

[Defacto]

I'm fully aware that many St Kilda fans are happy to compare Boyd to anything.
Any other comparison between the two sides current lists would be too one sided.

Sounds like you dont want to compare them. Unlike doggies fans to be that shy when it comes to stats....

 

[Pannalstaroz]

We are happy to compare tim membrey to tom boyd. You can bring up their tac cup, neafl and vfl stats too if you want.

But they're not even remotely similar players. Why don't we compare Membrey and Stringer? Much more similar, surely?

 

[Zgope1]

click onto the main board and see that 10.25pm on a thursday weeks and weeks after a bloke gets injured after starting the year well he's a fascination on bigfooty.

bigfooty is interesting

 

[Bulldog1954]

Sounds like you dont want to compare them. Unlike doggies fans to be that shy when it comes to stats....

They've been compared ad nauseum and the stats for both are similar. The eye test also shows both have potential but need further time and development.

 

[Yellow Feathers]

Quigley's 2013 mock draft review:

1 Greater Western Sydney

GWS do not need a KPF but Boyd too good to refuse. I think he is much better than Patton as a prospect and the combination of Boyd and Cameron could be historically good and could redefine the way the game is played.

Tom Boyd
DOB 22/8/95 Ht 201 Wt 102

Over the years I have tended to be less enthusiastic with key position forward prospects than most others. I recognised the talent of guys like Watts and Patton but I did not see them as the complete package that many people did. That is not the case with Boyd and I am well and truly on the bandwagon with him. I think he is the most complete KPF I have reviewed as a junior and barring injury I have no doubt he will be a very good player and quite possibly a star of the competition. There is a hell of a lot of Lockett in his ability and the thought of he and Cameron together in one forward line should scare the bejezus out of teams.

Boyd is a true lead-up full forward who will do virtually all his work in the forward 50. With the way the modern game is played he will float up onto the wing a bit but really if GWS is smart they will leave him as the deep forward and try and isolate him for any balls coming in quick. He is a massive man already and he will be too much to handle for virtually any FB in one on one situations. He measured in at 201cm at the Combine which might be a little tall but take it as a given that he is a 200cm monster. He is already powerful through the lower half and is getting there very quickly with his upper body. One thing he might need to watch out for is not to put on too much bulk. He is close to big enough already and if he put on some lean muscle whilst maintaining the same body dimensions I think it would serve him best.

Whilst he can crash packs this tends not to be his preferred way of operating. That is not to say he isn’t a physical presence up forward, it’s more that he likes to work in space or when in pack situations to work into places to give him the best chance of marking the ball. He judges the ball very well going forward or back and seems to be very hard to keep away from the ball. He does not get flustered in contested situations and watches the ball into his hands exceptionally well. It is the watching the ball all the way to his hands that I think is one of the real strengths of his game. Interestingly he has quite small hands but they are strong and once he gets his hands on the ball he rarely spills it.

He has an excellent stretch and just seems to be able to get that extra couple of inches when he needs it. Out on the lead he gets separation with ease and does a good job of marking the ball where the defender can’t get to it. He does a good job of timing his arrival at the ball and particularly not running under the ball. He marks it out in front of himself and with his height and long arms that makes it difficult for anyone to get at. He runs really good lines to dangerous spots and has a great instinct for when to lead. If there is space to lead into and his team has the ball he gets contact with the defender until the right moment to break it off and allows his teammate to kick to space for him to run onto. There are a couple of laziness things which need to be tidied up at the next level but I think they are easy fixes. Firstly once he gets on the break and the ball is coming to him he will power down a bit. If he does that at AFL level the defenders will close and go through him to the ball. He needs to maintain his strength through the contest. The other thing is that he does take quite a few gut marks. AFL defenders are going to be on his hammer more than he has experienced to date and are going to be getting a fist in. It would be preferable for him to get his hands out in front more rather than letting the ball come into the body.

His kicking for goal is excellent. With his set shot he has a slow, deliberate routine with a straight approach and a relatively low ball drop. It is pretty much picture perfect for what coaches try to team younger players. He has comfortable range to 50 and probably from 60 if pushed. He has a relaxed field kicking style but is not particularly quick to get the ball to boot.

Athletically he seems good and he moves like a much smaller man. His strength is simply too much for junior levels and he has the pace to get and maintain separation whenever I have seen him play. He works hard with his leads and is not just a one and done leader. His endurance does need to improve especially with the time out he has had this year but I think it will be fine for the position he plays. He is never going to be a hard chasing defensive presence up forward though. He will work the angles in the zone defenses and do his part but he is not going to a defensive forward like Darling.

Boyd did the ligaments in his ankle against WA at the Champs and was out for the second half of the year returning only for the TAC GF. In that match he managed 4 goals, 3 of which came in the first quarter after which he was pretty much done physically. In the TAC he ended up with 27 goals from 6 matches. He regularly kicks bags of 5 or 6 goals but if I had a criticism he rarely took full advantage of his massive physical and talent advantage to kick really big bags. This is a kid who could have been having 10 or 12 goal games playing for the best team in the competition but he just seemed to pop up (admittedly pretty regularly) for a goal here or there. Is that a function of endurance or is it just switching off for periods? Pretty stiff to criticise a guy who never had less than 3 goals at TAC level this year but I think it is a point worth making.

Anyway I think Boyd is going to be a star in the AFL and is the clearest number 1 I can remember.

 

[Super Hans]

^I expect that to be all irrelevant as a Norf supported will post a witty photo of Tom headbutting the ball. The perfect reply.

 

[lethalsaints]

Boyd will be a gun, early days yet.

 

[pinot]

He is developing well for the Blues. I even patted his dog Juddy.

 

[Lucky Star]

He is developing well for the Blues. I even patted his dog Juddy.

You're not talking about Brynne are you??

 

[Mofra]

He is developing well for the Blues. I even patted his dog Juddy.

"Over the past two weeks, Redpath has taken more contested marks and marks inside 50s than any other player in the competition. Just as importantly, he’s kicked three goals in each game, taking his tally to 19 goals from his past eight AFL matches."

We may not even need Boyd longer term if Redpath continues his recent form, although we'd expect Boyd to develop into one of the better forward/rucks in the competition (arguably the hardest role on an AFL list to fill) sow ill help immensely when he develops