Tom Boyd

[demondavey]

Absolutely sick and tired of the Tom Boyd bashing, it's completely disgraceful. You've got morons in the media who don't have the brains to do anything better than retort to the Tom Boyd topic and sling mud. They absolutely crucify him and constantly refer to his draft selection and pay cheque. Newsflash;

Being the no.1 pick means very little when you get to AFL level. Draft selections are an underage ranking system. Getting paid a lot of money to play is just the way the market works these days. Get your head around it REALLY fast because footy is a big commercial business.

Tom Boyd has played how many games and is how old? I'd have a look at Hawkins who took 80-100 games to make himself as a power forward. Jack Watts has taken 100 odd games to start delivering on his potential.

Big guys take time, deal with it. Get over it. And get a fu***** life.

 

[Starburns_]

Absolutely sick and tired of the Tom Boyd bashing, it's completely disgraceful. You've got morons in the media who don't have the brains to do anything better than retort to the Tom Boyd topic and sling mud. They absolutely crucify him and constantly refer to his draft selection and pay cheque. Newsflash;

Being the no.1 pick means very little when you get to AFL level. Draft selections are an underage ranking system. Getting paid a lot of money to play is just the way the market works these days. Get your head around it REALLY fast because footy is a big commercial business.

Tom Boyd has played how many games and is how old? I'd have a look at Hawkins who took 80-100 games to make himself as a power forward. Jack Watts has taken 100 odd games to start delivering on his potential.

Big guys take time, deal with it. Get over it. And get a fu***** life.

Hawkins has never been paid a million a year, let alone at age 20.

 

[Murraj1966]

Absolutely sick and tired of the Tom Boyd bashing, it's completely disgraceful. You've got morons in the media who don't have the brains to do anything better than retort to the Tom Boyd topic and sling mud. They absolutely crucify him and constantly refer to his draft selection and pay cheque. Newsflash;

Being the no.1 pick means very little when you get to AFL level. Draft selections are an underage ranking system. Getting paid a lot of money to play is just the way the market works these days. Get your head around it REALLY fast because footy is a big commercial business.

Tom Boyd has played how many games and is how old? I'd have a look at Hawkins who took 80-100 games to make himself as a power forward. Jack Watts has taken 100 odd games to start delivering on his potential.

Big guys take time, deal with it. Get over it. And get a fu***** life.

Unfortunately Boyd shone the spotlight on himself with such a pricey deal.

He would've been fully aware of the ramifications of such a move and hasn't lived up to what was expected of him yet.

The Dogs could've walked out of the 2014 draft with Lever/Marchbank and Peter Wright but instead have Boyd and if I was a dogs fan that's what would irk me the most. Like how St Kilda could've had Judd and Bartel but instead got Xavier Clarke and Luke Ball it could haunt them in future years.

 

[demondavey]

Unfortunately Boyd shone the spotlight on himself with such a pricey deal.

He would've been fully aware of the ramifications of such a move and /hasn't lived up to what was expected of him yet.

The Dogs could've walked out of the 2014 draft with Lever/Marchbank and Peter Wright but instead have Boyd and if I was a dogs fan that's what would irk me the most. Like how St Kilda could've had Judd and Bartel but instead got Xavier Clarke and Luke Ball it could haunt them in future years.

Boyd didn't shine the spotlight on himself at all. If you were in your early twenties and a club offered you a multi million dollar contract why wouldn't you take it? It's a job, it isn't forever, and you make hay whilst the sun shines.

Hasn't lived up to what is expected of him? Do you not understand how young he is? How inexperienced. Take the money out of it and treat him like another developing kid.

The draft is a lottery, anyone who knows anything about football knows that 'potential' and 'talent' mean very little until you start playing with the big boys.

 

[Starburns_]

Boyd didn't shine the spotlight on himself at all. If you were in your early twenties and a club offered you a multi million dollar contract why wouldn't you take it? It's a job, it isn't forever, and you make hay whilst the sun shines.

Hasn't lived up to what is expected of him? Do you not understand how young he is? How inexperienced. Take the money out of it and treat him like another developing kid.

The draft is a lottery, anyone who knows anything about football knows that 'potential' and 'talent' mean very little until you start playing with the big boys.

And if he plays like shit (which he has) then his hefty wage opens him up to a mountain of deserved criticism.

 

[Iamcarlton]

who would have thought a 20 year old key forward would be inconsistent? Was just about best on ground for us last week but quiet tonight. Definitely wasn't poor anyway, improves the team a hell of a lot just by being there.

BOG last week thats a stretch and 4 possessions with double that in fumbles he was poor .

 

[captain cotch 9]

Absolutely sick and tired of the Tom Boyd bashing, it's completely disgraceful. You've got morons in the media who don't have the brains to do anything better than retort to the Tom Boyd topic and sling mud. They absolutely crucify him and constantly refer to his draft selection and pay cheque. Newsflash;

Being the no.1 pick means very little when you get to AFL level. Draft selections are an underage ranking system. Getting paid a lot of money to play is just the way the market works these days. Get your head around it REALLY fast because footy is a big commercial business.

Tom Boyd has played how many games and is how old? I'd have a look at Hawkins who took 80-100 games to make himself as a power forward. Jack Watts has taken 100 odd games to start delivering on his potential.

Big guys take time, deal with it. Get over it. And get a fu***** life.

AFL is a business.
He is getting paid very well and hasn't proved anything yet. Of course people are going to be critical of his performance.
He would of expected it when he signed the contract

 

[Plugger35]

Absolutely sick and tired of the Tom Boyd bashing, it's completely disgraceful. You've got morons in the media who don't have the brains to do anything better than retort to the Tom Boyd topic and sling mud. They absolutely crucify him and constantly refer to his draft selection and pay cheque. Newsflash;

Being the no.1 pick means very little when you get to AFL level. Draft selections are an underage ranking system. Getting paid a lot of money to play is just the way the market works these days. Get your head around it REALLY fast because footy is a big commercial business.

Tom Boyd has played how many games and is how old? I'd have a look at Hawkins who took 80-100 games to make himself as a power forward. Jack Watts has taken 100 odd games to start delivering on his potential.

Big guys take time, deal with it. Get over it. And get a fu***** life.

Are you Tom Boyd's mum?

It's a footy forum where people discuss players and their performances, if any player's performances were as bad as Boyd's they'd be copping criticism.

The fact he is on a million bucks per year certainly adds to the criticism but that's the risk you take when you sign up for a multi million dollar contract.

 

[Astro_]

Many players in the AFL getting paid well beyond their output.

As for Boyd, judge him in the next 2 -3 years when players of his build are expected to break out.

 

[doona]

if any player's performances were as bad as Boyd's they'd be copping criticism.

Thats BS. There are a lot of shite AFL players that get no mention anywhere, because they are shite and really that bad.

Boyd cops criticism for 2 reasons:

1. He is on more money then most of the best players in the comp
2. He was a no. 1 pick (ala Watts)

 

[Plugger35]

Thats BS. There are a lot of shite AFL players that get no mention anywhere, because they are shite and really that bad.

Boyd cops criticism for 2 reasons:

1. He is on more money then most of the best players in the comp
2. He was a no. 1 pick (ala Watts)

3. His performances have been way below par for a no.1 pick.

Watts has copped bucketloads of criticism over the years and he wasn't on the money Boyd is on, likewise McCartin has copped his share of criticism too.

Basically any no.1 pick that isn't a superstar right away cops criticism, which is unfair on them but it won't ever change.

 

[doona]

It's a footy forum where people discuss players and their performances, if any player's performances were as bad as Boyd's they'd be copping criticism..

3. His performances have been way below par for a no.1 pick.

Watts has copped bucketloads of criticism over the years and he wasn't on the money Boyd is on, likewise McCartin has copped his share of criticism too.

Where in your initial post did you reference a "no.1 pick". You didn't until I quoted you....

p.s. My second point is the same as your newly created 3rd point.

 

[demondavey]

Are you Tom Boyd's mum?

It's a footy forum where people discuss players and their performances, if any player's performances were as bad as Boyd's they'd be copping criticism.

The fact he is on a million bucks per year certainly adds to the criticism but that's the risk you take when you sign up for a multi million dollar contract.

Clearly a forum where people can't sift through shit from clay

 

[demondavey]

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AFL is a business.
He is getting paid very well and hasn't proved anything yet. Of course people are going to be critical of his performance.
He would of expected it when he signed the contract

That's why he probably doesn't give a toss. But yeah, let's pay out on him, but when he starts fulfilling his potential it's going to be great to bump this thread.

 

[demondavey]

And if he plays like shit (which he has) then his hefty wage opens him up to a mountain of deserved criticism.

Why? Don't you understand the fact that the market dictates wages in the current environment? It's not the same competition as 5-10 years ago. It's got nothing to do with what a player delivers, just what a club wants to pay to get that player. You should know that what a player delivers is not reflective of his salary.

 

[demondavey]

Hawkins has never been paid a million a year, let alone at age 20.

Start getting your head around a few basic economic principles. Hawkins never left Geelong, therefore his value on the free market was never questioned. Boyd did leave GWS, so when an entity enters the free market all sorts of suitors put up their hands to bid or apply. What he is worth is reflective of the free market purchase price at the time he was purchased, hence setting a precedent for other individuals of his calibre or 'potential' who would enter that market.

If Jesse Hogan put his hand up and said I want to play for anyone but Melbourne, where do you think the limits would cease?

What he delivers on the football field is based upon a vastly different set of criteria. Anyone that says he is 'overpaid' doesn't understand much about trading, value, or how basic economics works.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

He may be being paid the market price, but am not sure the Bulldogs will feel they have received adequate return on their investment in 2016.

 

[demondavey]

He may be being paid the market price, but am not sure the Bulldogs will feel they have received adequate return on their investment in 2016.

They will realise its a long term investment. And they've probably front ended his contract.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

He may be being paid the market price, but am not sure the Bulldogs will feel they have received adequate return on their investment in 2016.

Which is why they signed him for 7 years and not 2.

 

[Bulldog1954]

He may be being paid the market price, but am not sure the Bulldogs will feel they have received adequate return on their investment in 2016.

No one expected him to rip it up in 2016. He was recruited to be our key forward when we were in contention. The fact that we have come on much more quickly then anticipated has placed higher expectations on him. If we were outside the 8 and developing at a slower rate, like sides with similar age profiles such as St Kilda and Melbourne it wouldn't have created as much attention. The fact is he is still 20, he's a kid and is developing at a similar level to other number one pick key forwards like McCartin and Patton. It's not like we're an aging side looking for one last crack and we need Boyd to be a star already, the core of our side is still developing as Boyd is. We've also signed up all our key players and according to reports, have enough cash to chase a gun like Hurley.

 

[Hoges64]

Does Redpath not count?

I could be mistaken , but I think Boyd and Redpath have played a grand total of about 5 games together?

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Hawkins has never been paid a million a year, let alone at age 20.

But that's only because Hawkins never sold himself to the open market one year out from being a top draft pick prospect.

If Hawkins had, after one year at Geelong, walked out on the club and effectively gone to whatever club would have paid him most, he would have gotten a similar salary at some club.

And by similar salary I mean he would have been paid about 8% of the salary cap across the length of his contract, which is what Boyd's getting paid.

It's the fundamental lack of understanding about how you have to overpay to recruit players from other club that shits me no end. If people going to troll the Dogs about their salary cap management, which is what people are effectively doing, objectively, the decision to pay Minson in his AA year and have him as one of our highest paid players in our reserves this is a much worse list management decision than paying Boyd $1 million per year.

 

[bird_man]

The thing that worries me about Boyd is his marking, for a big guy he does not take a lot of marks, especially contested marks. He's taken 5 all year and only averaging 3 marks a game.

Now people will say he's only in his third year and big guys take time, which would be fair enough if we were comparing him to 26 year olds. But his marking stats are well behind the likes of McCartin and Wright who are a year younger and also a long way behind Tom Hawkins at the same age (who everyone seems to bring up when telling us big guys take time).

 

[TiggerMan22]

Boyd is in his 3rd season and has only played 31 games, averages 1.1 goals a game this year.
Many other forwards looked the same at the same time.

J.Reiwoldt 3rd season 1.6 goals, 4th season 3.6 goals. (Even this was partly because he our only option in the forward line)
T.Lynch (GC) 3rd season 1.0 goals, 4th season 2.1, not until his 6th he has gone up another level to 3.2.
Hawkins 3rd season 1.4 goals, 6th season 2.8 goals.
Kennedy 3rd season 1.0 goals, 4th 1.9 goals then 6th 2.6 goals.
Roughhead 3rd season 1.8 goals, 4th 3.0 goals.
T.Lynch (Ade) 3rd season 1.2 goals, 4th 1.9 goals.


Just for laughs
Franklin 2nd season 2.2 goals, 3rd season 3.3 goals, 4th season 4.5 goals. Shows what a freak he is.

 

[Theo X]

Boyd is in his 3rd season and has only played 31 games, averages 1.1 goals a game this year.
Many other forwards looked the same at the same time.

J.Reiwoldt 3rd season 1.6 goals, 4th season 3.6 goals. (Even this was partly because he our only option in the forward line)
T.Lynch (GC) 3rd season 1.0 goals, 4th season 2.1, not until his 6th he has gone up another level to 3.2.
Hawkins 3rd season 1.4 goals, 6th season 2.8 goals.
Kennedy 3rd season 1.0 goals, 4th 1.9 goals then 6th 2.6 goals.
Roughhead 3rd season 1.8 goals, 4th 3.0 goals.
T.Lynch (Ade) 3rd season 1.2 goals, 4th 1.9 goals.


Just for laughs
Franklin 2nd season 2.2 goals, 3rd season 3.3 goals, 4th season 4.5 goals. Shows what a freak he is.

Ugh, you name all the ones that turned out well. Countless duds had similar stats. All those guys showed early glimpses of being something special except maybe Adelaide's Lynch, Boyd's shown us a special falcon, that's it.