Tom Boyd

[Mofra]

I'm of the same opinion as Trav, the doggies did the right thing back then in going for Boyd. The deal itself was a good idea, obviously his salary was a bit over the top, but the thinking of it was sound. They needed a big key forward and Boyd was the target.

But to say that at u/18 level he was the best of his generation is just plain wrong.

Wouldn't say best of his generation, but certainly the consensus no 1 pick months out, and arguably the most consensus pick for years. Whether that is because he was so good as a junior or simply because there was a significant gap to the no. 2+ players we don't know.

Kelly is super-professional but only firmed as the no 2 pick weeks out from the draft, Bonti is going well as the no 4 pick but even on draft day the Bulldogs were considered to have "reached" for him.

Serious though was given by the Bulldogs in hitting the mini-draft by offering picks 5 & 6 the year beforehand (Stringer & Macrae) but we were believed to have been more interested in Martin than Hogan.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Wouldn't say best of his generation, but certainly the consensus no 1 pick months out, and arguably the most consensus pick for years. Whether that is because he was so good as a junior or simply because there was a significant gap to the no. 2+ players we don't know.

Kelly is super-professional but only firmed as the no 2 pick weeks out from the draft, Bonti is going well as the no 4 pick but even on draft day the Bulldogs were considered to have "reached" for him.

Serious though was given by the Bulldogs in hitting the mini-draft by offering picks 5 & 6 the year beforehand (Stringer & Macrae) but we were believed to have been more interested in Martin than Hogan.

With the benefit of hindsight would you prefer Hogan or Stringer and Macrae?

My initial thought was Hogan, but I'm not sure if that's just my bias showing, it probably is. Could an argument be made that Hogan is better than Stringer? Right now to be honest the answer would be no, that may change down the track.

The doggies have built their list very, very well. They've made some excellent decisions with not only drafting but trading out players as well.

 

[The 747]

With the benefit of hindsight would you prefer Hogan or Stringer and Macrae?

My initial thought was Hogan, but I'm not sure if that's just my bias showing, it probably is. Could an argument be made that Hogan is better than Stringer? Right now to be honest the answer would be no, that may change down the track.

The doggies have built their list very, very well. They've made some excellent decisions with not only drafting but trading out players as well.

The bolded, not because Hogan isn't a gun but because they got two AFL standard players, one is already AA standard and the other is not far off AA squad standard.

 

[Wild Bill]

The bolded, not because Hogan isn't a gun but because they got two AFL standard players, one is already AA standard and the other is not far off AA squad standard.

Adding Macrae is the difference. Hard to separate Hogan and Stringer.

 

[Mofra]

With the benefit of hindsight would you prefer Hogan or Stringer and Macrae?

I would say (in my biased opinion) Stringer and Macrae; Stringer can turn a match in a few minutes much like Hogan can, but Macrae is a super-consistent and arguably our hardest two way runner (with Hunter). 2nd in our B&F in his second year Macrae, quite underrated.

If it was just Stringer vs Hogan the choice would be much harder - the heart says Stringer because he does things on the field nobody else can do, but Hogan is the sort of player you build a side around.

 

[FastLife]

Correct me If I'm wrong isn't his contract front loaded? If thats the case He won't be the million dollar player much longer.

The Bulldogs took a good gamble that hasn't payed off yet.

 

[Apex36]

Actually he's 20 years old and turning 21 in about 3 weeks so fast forward to this time next year when Boyd is still struggling and the masses will be coming even harder for Boyd .
If your going to say if he bombs he bombs that's OK at least we had a go then it's OK to say we ****** up by signing him to a long term ridiculously priced contract . But this thread is still going strong because you doggies are defending the club at every turn trying to justify what has been the biggest blunder since us signing Dale Thomas . But that's footy .

I'm not sure how you could possibly regard Boyd as even close to as big of a blunder as Thomas. Boyd is actually tracking ok for a key forward of his age, and will likely end up as a very good key forward at the very worst. At best he'll be up with the other talented young key forwards when they peak.
The trade was overs, the $$$ were way overs, but at the end of the day, Boyd won't be the total bust that Thomas has been because the dogs will have aquired a 10 year KPF to build their attack around.

I've been pretty vocal in this thread saying that this was a bad trade for the dogs, purely because I don't think they made the most of the currency they could have recieved by trading Griffen alone and keeping pick 6, but at the end of the day, I don't think anyone can conceivably compare this to the absolute bust that has been Dale Thomas at Carlton.

 

[Apex36]

This blokes knows everything Pann so don't question him he doesn't like it

Keep crying. Not my fault you enjoy making yourself look foolish.

 

[Iamcarlton]

Anybody that says boyd is tracking ok is obviously over rating his performances and his ability . The old hes young key position players take longer is working out a treat for boyd its obviously got you fooled as well . Fair enough on the thomas statement you are most likely right on that one absolutely reamed ourselves there . But give it 2 more years and im tipping my assesment or that comparison will be evening up massively . Boyd is ordinary to say the least imo . But of course what would i know im just a BF junky

 

[Mofra]

Correct me If I'm wrong isn't his contract front loaded? If thats the case He won't be the million dollar player much longer.

The Bulldogs took a good gamble that hasn't payed off yet.

He has two monster years by all accounts, although last year we were only paying him the standard 2nd year player salary (first two years contracts are set by the AFL).
His contract tapers towards the end so hopefully we're getting a bargain as he enters his prime.
Basically, at the end of 2014 we were so bad we thought we'd be bad for at least a few years. Totally underestimated the Bevo factor.

 

[Iamcarlton]

He has two monster years by all accounts, although last year we were only paying him the standard 2nd year player salary (first two years contracts are set by the AFL).
His contract tapers towards the end so hopefully we're getting a bargain as he enters his prime.
Basically, at the end of 2014 we were so bad we thought we'd be bad for at least a few years. Totally underestimated the Bevo factor.

Wow if he was on 100k last year roughly standard player salary you say . Means you have still to pay him 6.9 mill over 6 years this year included in that ? . And you reckon it tapers down towards the end thats some salary hes on this and next year maybe year after ? If you reckon your going to get a bargain towards the end what at about 600 each for his last 2 ? Means you pay him roughly 1.6 mill each year for the next 3 years this year included in that then maybe a mill for 1 then at 600 for 2 am i close ?

 

[iBeng]

He has two monster years by all accounts, although last year we were only paying him the standard 2nd year player salary (first two years contracts are set by the AFL).
His contract tapers towards the end so hopefully we're getting a bargain as he enters his prime.
Basically, at the end of 2014 we were so bad we thought we'd be bad for at least a few years. Totally underestimated the Bevo factor.

How much money is he going to expect though when he "comes into his prime" since hes already earned so much OUT of his prime?

 

[Mofra]

Wow if he was on 100k last year roughly standard player salary you say . Means you have still to pay him 6.9 mill over 6 years this year included in that ? . And you reckon it tapers down towards the end thats some salary hes on this and next year maybe year after ? If you reckon your going to get a bargain towards the end what at about 600 each for his last 2 ? Means you pay him roughly 1.6 mill each year for the next 3 years then maybe a mill for 1 then at 600 for 2 am i close ?

He's a first round draft pick, it's over $200k + match payments.
It's a $6m deal =/- performance benchmarks.
The $7m figure comes from $800k paid to Griff last year as we needed to honor his contract to meet the mandated 95% cap rule set by the AFL so we can avail of the 105% rule in 16/17, hence the front loading.

No 105% rule, no Boyd at the Bulldogs. Thanks AFL.

 

[Mofra]

How much money is he going to expect though when he "comes into his prime" since hes already earned so much OUT of his prime?

A couple of posters who normally have good info say his last contracted years are in the $500-550k range.
That's post new TV rights deal / cap.

 

[iBeng]

A couple of posters who normally have good info say his last contracted years are in the $500-550k range.
That's post new TV rights deal / cap.

Think he'll expect a rebump up to 900k +?

 

[Mofra]

Think he'll expect a rebump up to 900k +?

Who knows, depends on form.
He'll be one year from FA under the current rules (assuming the rules don't change) or he may get a monster offer from elsewhere or (we dare to dream) he'll sign on again as a multiple Premiership winning KPF.

 

[Kakkle]

Not worth even remotely close to what he is getting paid, but he stood up last night when it counted. Well done, Tom

 

[Nostradumbass]

Not worth even remotely close to what he is getting paid, but he stood up last night when it counted. Well done, Tom

What did he do? Must have happened when I took a piss break.

 

[JeffDunne]

It actually helped their forward line when he was forced into the ruck.

He's a liability as a forward.

 

[2006_Eagles]

Not worth even remotely close to what he is getting paid, but he stood up last night when it counted. Well done, Tom

Not sure if srs?

 

[PuzzledfromParkville]

Correct me If I'm wrong isn't his contract front loaded? If thats the case He won't be the million dollar player much longer.

The Bulldogs took a good gamble that hasn't payed off yet.

Paid

 

[iBeng]

What did he do? Must have happened when I took a piss break.

I er...saw him do a handball...and that did...something for another player?

 

[2006_Eagles]

Does he get dropped for the GF?

 

[DemonTim]

14 touches, 4 inside 50s and 21 hit outs for a bloke who isn't a full time ruck is reasonable. People just want to pot the kid

 

[Murraj1966]

Does he get dropped for the GF?

If they win Cam Mooney 1999 springs to mind