Tom Boyd

[Magpie Monopoly]

We're AFL Premiers, I'd say our list management is ok especially considering what other clubs are paying for players (JOM $700k, Wells $600k, Vickery $500k etc).

Love the sooks still whining about Boyd, we love it

Finished 7th amd had 4 great games. List managment is serviceable not groundbreaking.

No club is molding their future around how to beat the Bulldogs

 

[Magpie Monopoly]

Tom Boyd is a premiership hero and better looking than Nick Reiwoldt.
2 x facts

I dont think you know the definition of a fact

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Finished 7th amd had 4 great games. List managment is serviceable not groundbreaking.

No club is molding their future around how to beat the Bulldogs

That may be true, but when we finally got a team together we beat all the teams that (I assume) you are worried about, convincingly.

 

[100action]

Finished 7th amd had 4 great games. List managment is serviceable not groundbreaking.

No club is molding their future around how to beat the Bulldogs

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...estern-bulldogs-hawthorn-20160912-grev12.html

"If we're looking at a side we think we play closest to, it's the (Western Bulldogs)," Buckley said.

"...but our defensive and contested focus is probably more like the Western Bulldogs than anyone else.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

All depends how you rate worth.
Is a mid worth the same, more or less on what a club needs, and worth at the trade table in order to get them.

Well, Boyd is on a million bucks a year but didn't finish top 10 in the club's B&F.

So what measurement are you using if you reckon he's not been overpaid?

The people at the Bulldogs who vote on the B&F reckon there were quite a few players ahead of him this season. Are they all worth $1 million per season too?

Should there be a set wage for all players simply because the value in one persons eyes isn't the same as another, or club v club.

That makes no sense.

There's a hundred players in the comp who are paid more than their "worth".

What's your point?

How does this demonstrate that Boyd hasn't been overpaid?

When a premiership is the ultimate goal, and is achieved its hard to argue their worth less than what was paid.

Rubbish.

You can win a flag and still have some players who are overpaid. Or was every member of the Bulldogs GF side automatically worth a $1 million a season purely because they played in a flag?

The reality is that there is a salary cap so clubs have to pay their best players the most and so on down the list. At the moment, Boyd's salary is disproportionately high, when you consider his spot in the Bulldogs' pecking order, as evidenced by his modest B&F finish.

There are only a handful of players in the league who are worth $1 million per season. Boyd isn't one of them.

Ultimately a club is paying all their players to win a premiership, and if that is acheived it can only be money well spent.

See above.

You appear to be arguing that if a club wins a flag, it is impossible that any player involved could be considered overpaid. That's obviously ridiculous. You can still win a flag and have a player be overpaid. Those things are not mutually exclusive. It's an absurd argument.

For example, Tom Scully at GWS has been overpaid. That wouldn't suddenly cease to be true had GWS won the 2016 flag.

 

[BRWB]

Well, Boyd is on a million bucks a year but didn't finish top 10 in the club's B&F.

So what measurement are you using if you reckon he's not been overpaid?

The people at the Bulldogs who vote on the B&F reckon there were quite a few players ahead of him this season. Are they all worth $1 million per season too?

That makes no sense.

What's your point?

How does this demonstrate that Boyd hasn't been overpaid?

Rubbish.

You can win a flag and still have some players who are overpaid. Or was every member of the Bulldogs GF side automatically worth a $1 million a season purely because they played in a flag?

The reality is that there is a salary cap so clubs have to pay their best players the most and so on down the list. At the moment, Boyd's salary is disproportionately high, when you consider his spot in the Bulldogs' pecking order, as evidenced by his modest B&F finish.

There are only a handful of players in the league who are worth $1 million per season. Boyd isn't one of them.

See above.

You appear to be arguing that if a club wins a flag, it is impossible that any player involved could be considered overpaid. That's obviously ridiculous. You can still win a flag and have a player be overpaid. Those things are not mutually exclusive. It's an absurd argument.

We have a flag that most Dogs fans thought they'd never see. Boyd played a key part in delivering on the dream. If any Dog fan ever thought Boyd was overpaid - they no longer care.

Attempting to tell Dogs fans how to think or feel on this matter, or even worse, label those thoughts and feelings, displays an overweening arrogance that one has come to associate with your prose.

And succinct is better.

Maybe give it a try sometime.

 

[Doggies_2008]

Better million bucks spent then what the swans spent on bud and Tippett that's for sure

 

[Bulldog Joe]

Well, Boyd is on a million bucks a year...........

While you seem determined to justify that Boyd is paid excessively, you fail to grasp a few points

1. The aim of each football club is (or should be to win a premiership)
2. The Bulldogs made a bold move to recruit Boyd ...and there were other clubs willing or planning to make him significant offers.
3. The list management at the Bulldogs have been able to sign, the players identified as important to extended contracts.
4. There is a salary cap that requires a minimum spend as well as a maximum spend.
5. In 2015 the Bulldogs actually needed to pay the salary of a departed player to meet their minimum
6. In 2016 the Bulldogs paid under the maximum salary cap.

and most importantly in 2016 the Bulldogs achieved what 17 other clubs desired. The Premiership

They also had a significant contribution from said Tom Boyd when it really counted.
There would be no-one on the Bulldog team who regrets the signing of Tom Boyd, the salary of Tom Boyd or the premiership cup achieved with the team assembled.

 

[Doggies1972]

Well, Boyd is on a million bucks a year but didn't finish top 10 in the club's B&F.

So what measurement are you using if you reckon he's not been overpaid?

The people at the Bulldogs who vote on the B&F reckon there were quite a few players ahead of him this season. Are they all worth $1 million per season too?

That makes no sense.

What's your point?

How does this demonstrate that Boyd hasn't been overpaid?

Rubbish.

You can win a flag and still have some players who are overpaid. Or was every member of the Bulldogs GF side automatically worth a $1 million a season purely because they played in a flag?

The reality is that there is a salary cap so clubs have to pay their best players the most and so on down the list. At the moment, Boyd's salary is disproportionately high, when you consider his spot in the Bulldogs' pecking order, as evidenced by his modest B&F finish.

There are only a handful of players in the league who are worth $1 million per season. Boyd isn't one of them.

See above.

You appear to be arguing that if a club wins a flag, it is impossible that any player involved could be considered overpaid. That's obviously ridiculous. You can still win a flag and have a player be overpaid. Those things are not mutually exclusive. It's an absurd argument.

Cry me river.
Absurd... he's overpayed by your view, so others in the team or ahead should be on the same money. Does that apply to Tippet/Buddy
Back to the point your basically suggesting... put everyone on the same pay rate or his if they got more B&F's the point.
You've had 2 or 3 pages of ranting the same crap over and over which is your opinion. How does B & F points justify pay rates... has it ever in any club?
The club won the premiership with the pay structures they put in place, and everyone is happy except for repetitive idiots like you repeating the same diatribe over and over because its your opinion.
Turn the tables. Is Darling an overpaid spud because he turns to Jello in finals. Had West Coast won the GF last year or the QF this year no would have given a rats. But they didn't because he is an over paid bowl of jello.
Boyd was sort after well before the trade actually happened. He was specifically sort for what he produced through the finals. He didn't turn to jello, he helped the team win a premiership. And the only basis you have that he is paid to much is that there are better players in the team. The only one that seems to bother is you and some other keyboard warriors. It didn't matter to the rest of the playing group considering 95% of them have renewed their contracts.
Oh Yeh. Natanui was a million dollar player last season. Was he overpaid considering his 4 disposals for the game, and 30 of his 37 hitouts went to the opposition?

 

[Bulldog1954]

Finished 7th amd had 4 great games. List managment is serviceable not groundbreaking.

No club is molding their future around how to beat the Bulldogs

Serviceable list management won us the flag with the youngest and least experienced side in the finals. If the dogs list management is "serviceable" I'd love to hear how you'd describe the list management of other sides.

Clubs may not mould their future around how to beat the Dogs, they can focus on all the sides that couldn't beat us when it mattered.

 

[Boristown]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...estern-bulldogs-hawthorn-20160912-grev12.html

"If we're looking at a side we think we play closest to, it's the (Western Bulldogs)," Buckley said.

"...but our defensive and contested focus is probably more like the Western Bulldogs than anyone else.

 

[darthbards]

The same sooks still sooking it up,unbelievable. Boyd is a premiership hero now,get over it.

 

[Freshwater]

Cry me river.
Absurd... he's overpayed by your view, so others in the team or ahead should be on the same money. Does that apply to Tippet/Buddy
Back to the point your basically suggesting... put everyone on the same pay rate or his if they got more B&F's the point.
You've had 2 or 3 pages of ranting the same crap over and over which is your opinion. How does B & F points justify pay rates... has it ever in any club?
The club won the premiership with the pay structures they put in place, and everyone is happy except for repetitive idiots like you repeating the same diatribe over and over because its your opinion.
Turn the tables. Is Darling an overpaid spud because he turns to Jello in finals. Had West Coast won the GF last year or the QF this year no would have given a rats. But they didn't because he is an over paid bowl of jello.
Boyd was sort after well before the trade actually happened. He was specifically sort for what he produced through the finals. He didn't turn to jello, he helped the team win a premiership. And the only basis you have that he is paid to much is that there are better players in the team. The only one that seems to bother is you and some other keyboard warriors. It didn't matter to the rest of the playing group considering 95% of them have renewed their contracts.
Oh Yeh. Natanui was a million dollar player last season. Was he overpaid considering his 4 disposals for the game, and 30 of his 37 hitouts went to the opposition?

Good post, except in Australia we have 'jelly' they call it 'jello' in America. So Jack Darling turned to Jelly ...

 

[Magpie Monopoly]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...estern-bulldogs-hawthorn-20160912-grev12.html

"If we're looking at a side we think we play closest to, it's the (Western Bulldogs)," Buckley said.

"...but our defensive and contested focus is probably more like the Western Bulldogs than anyone else.

Emulating a teams style and countering a team style are different things

 

[Magpie Monopoly]

Serviceable list management won us the flag with the youngest and least experienced side in the finals. If the dogs list management is "serviceable" I'd love to hear how you'd describe the list management of other sides.

Clubs may not mould their future around how to beat the Dogs, they can focus on all the sides that couldn't beat us when it mattered.

It was a great 4 game run. Thats about it. 7th for a reason

 

[Pannalstaroz]

It was a great 4 game run. Thats about it. 7th for a reason

I think you'll find we finished 1st.

 

[Magpie Monopoly]

I think you'll find we finished 1st.

I think youll find thats not how it works

 

[Pannalstaroz]

I think youll find thats not how it works

I look forward to using our rightful pick 12 then. Thanks.

 

[Whats a Battle]

Finished 7th amd had 4 great games. List managment is serviceable not groundbreaking.

No club is molding their future around how to beat the Bulldogs

They finished first matey

 

[Shane Sheridan]

I think youll find thats not how it works

Think you'll find you've got no idea what you're talking about

 

[Mofra]

So what measurement are you using if you reckon he's not been overpaid?

He single-handedly outperformed the ~$2.5m Bondi millionaire duo in the biggest game of the year?
He was the dominant big-man on the ground in the biggest game we've played for over half a century?
Many people thought he should have won the Norm Smith?
He single-handedly rucked over 3/4s of a game against Mumford in a tight prelim we won after 7 losing prelims?
He's only 21 and as a 200cm monster will improve as he develops?

Take your pick. Bulldog fans are more than happy we snagged him, especially considering the rubbish that other teams are luring over on big contracts this trade period.

 

[Bulldog1954]

It was a great 4 game run. Thats about it. 7th for a reason

Finals don't count? 19-7 overall and a premiership, serviceable list management at best. Can you let me know the clubs who's recent list management has been better then serviceable?

 

[Magpie Monopoly]

Finals don't count? 19-7 overall and a premiership, serviceable list management at best. Can you let me know the clubs who's recent list management has been better then serviceable?

Crows GWS Hawthorn

 

[Sweet Jesus]

We have a flag that most Dogs fans thought they'd never see. Boyd played a key part in delivering on the dream.

This doesn't mean Boyd isn't overpaid.

It's bizarre how Dogs supporters keep pointing out that they won the flag and therefore there's no way Boyd could be overpaid, as though one proves the other.

The reality is that Boyd is the highest-paid player at the Dogs but has yet to record a top 10 finish in their B&F. In light of that, how is it at all disputable that's been overpaid to date?

Attempting to tell Dogs fans how to think or feel on this matter, or even worse, label those thoughts and feelings, displays an overweening arrogance that one has come to associate with your prose.

Rubbish. It's the obvious reality.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

While you seem determined to justify that Boyd is paid excessively, you fail to grasp a few points

1. The aim of each football club is (or should be to win a premiership)
2. The Bulldogs made a bold move to recruit Boyd ...and there were other clubs willing or planning to make him significant offers.
3. The list management at the Bulldogs have been able to sign, the players identified as important to extended contracts.
4. There is a salary cap that requires a minimum spend as well as a maximum spend.
5. In 2015 the Bulldogs actually needed to pay the salary of a departed player to meet their minimum
6. In 2016 the Bulldogs paid under the maximum salary cap.

and most importantly in 2016 the Bulldogs achieved what 17 other clubs desired. The Premiership

None of this demonstrates that Boyd hasn't been overpaid to date.

They also had a significant contribution from said Tom Boyd when it really counted.
There would be no-one on the Bulldog team who regrets the signing of Tom Boyd, the salary of Tom Boyd or the premiership cup achieved with the team assembled.

He's the highest-paid player at the club but has yet to record a top 10 finish in a B&F count.

In what alternative reality does that not constitute being overpaid?