Tom Boyd

[frenchfri12]

Boyd kicks 3.1 in a 3.4 win.

He wasn't needed at all, massively overpaid.

 

[Bulldog1954]

Crows GWS Hawthorn

The Crows who had a great injury run and got spanked in the second week of the finals and the Giants who have had all the picks in the world and couldn't beat us on their own patch. I'm pretty happy with our list management in comparison. Calling the premiers list management "serviceable" is ridiculous. Are lists not managed with the aim of winning a premiership?

 

[TedDougChris]

None of this demonstrates that Boyd hasn't been overpaid to date.

He's the highest-paid player at the club but has yet to record a top 10 finish in a B&F count.

In what alternative reality does that not constitute being overpaid?

Depends on how you look at it. Bit of debate whether Boyd is actually getting the full million this year or in later years (I thought it was front loaded, but may be wrong). If he was front loaded, it's difficult to argue that he wasn't overpaid. Also difficult to argue that we wouldn't do it exactly the same ****ing way after the way the season worked out.

If the contract is back ended, I'm not sure you can actually argue he was that overpaid - certainly not as much as people thought he would be midway through the season. Helping you to win the PF/GF combo as the dominant big man in one and neutralising the oppositions dominant ruckman in the other - is pretty valuable.

But, across the whole season he probably didn't earn his paycheck each and every week. But he did when it mattered... I can live with that...

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Cry me river.

I don't follow. Who's crying?

Absurd... he's overpayed by your view, so others in the team or ahead should be on the same money. Does that apply to Tippet/Buddy

What's your question here?

Yes, he's overpaid in my view. Simply put, he's the highest-paid player at the club but has not yet recorded a top 10 finish in a B&F count.

How do you look at that and conclude he's not overpaid?

Back to the point your basically suggesting... put everyone on the same pay rate or his if they got more B&F's the point.

I didn't suggest that. I never said anything about everyone getting paid the same amount.

You've had 2 or 3 pages of ranting the same crap over and over which is your opinion. How does B & F points justify pay rates... has it ever in any club?

To the extent that B&F results are an internal assessment of performance over the course of a season.

If the highest-paid player at the club is nowhere near the top of the tree when it comes to the B&F, it's not unreasonable to suggest he's overpaid.

The club won the premiership with the pay structures they put in place, and everyone is happy except for repetitive idiots like you repeating the same diatribe over and over because its your opinion.

This doesn't demonstrate that Boyd hasn't been overpaid to date.

Turn the tables. Is Darling an overpaid spud because he turns to Jello in finals. Had West Coast won the GF last year or the QF this year no would have given a rats. But they didn't because he is an over paid bowl of jello.

How much is Darling getting paid compared to other players?

Boyd was sort after well before the trade actually happened. He was specifically sort for what he produced through the finals. He didn't turn to jello, he helped the team win a premiership. And the only basis you have that he is paid to much is that there are better players in the team. The only one that seems to bother is you and some other keyboard warriors. It didn't matter to the rest of the playing group considering 95% of them have renewed their contracts.

This doesn't demonstrate that Boyd hasn't been overpaid to date.

It doesn't bother me. I'm merely pointing out the reality.

Oh Yeh. Natanui was a million dollar player last season. Was he overpaid considering his 4 disposals for the game, and 30 of his 37 hitouts went to the opposition?

If he was in fact on $1 million a season, you could argue he was overpaid. You're welcome to make that argument. That said, Naitanui is probably West Coast's most important player so it's not unreasonable for him to be the highest-paid. You can't say the same for Boyd.

 

[Substance]

Boyd kicks 3.1 in a 3.4 win.

He wasn't needed at all, massively overpaid.

You forgot about the 6 contested marks and his work in the ruck.

 

[Senor Ed]

If he was in fact on $1 million a season, you could argue he was overpaid. You're welcome to make that argument. That said, Naitanui is probably West Coast's most important player so it's not unreasonable for him to be the highest-paid. You can''t say the same for Boyd.

We don't win that GF without Boyd.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

He single-handedly outperformed the ~$2.5m Bondi millionaire duo in the biggest game of the year?

That's still one game. Who had a better season overall?

He was the dominant big-man on the ground in the biggest game we've played for over half a century?

That's still one game.

Many people thought he should have won the Norm Smith?

Is that a question?

He single-handedly rucked over 3/4s of a game against Mumford in a tight prelim we won after 7 losing prelims?

Again, he's the highest-paid player at the club but has yet to record a top 10 finish in a B&F. In light of this, why are you so resistant to the idea that he's been overpaid to date? What is the danger in acknowledging this obvious point?

He's only 21 and as a 200cm monster will improve as he develops?

Great. When that improvement comes, he may cease to be overpaid. Let me know when that happens.

Take your pick. Bulldog fans are more than happy we snagged him, especially considering the rubbish that other teams are luring over on big contracts this trade period.

That doesn't mean he's not been overpaid to date. He obviously has.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Depends on how you look at it. Bit of debate whether Boyd is actually getting the full million this year or in later years (I thought it was front loaded, but may be wrong). If he was front loaded, it's difficult to argue that he wasn't overpaid. Also difficult to argue that we wouldn't do it exactly the same ******* way after the way the season worked out.

On average, he's getting $1 million per year on the terms of his current deal. Is that incorrect?

There are very few players in the comp truly worth that kind of money. I'm not sure how anyone argues Boyd is one such player.

He's also the highest-paid player at the club but is nowhere near being the club's best player. That's a pretty open-and-shut case for him being overpaid.

 

[Sentinel]

That's still one game. Who had a better season overall?

That's still one game.

Is that a question?

Again, he's the highest-paid player at the club but has yet to record a top 10 finish in a B&F. In light of this, why are you so resistant to the idea that he's been overpaid to date? What is the danger in acknowledging this obvious point?

Great. When that improvement comes, he may cease to be overpaid. Let me know when that happens.

That doesn't mean he's not been overpaid to date. He obviously has.

At this stage of his career, I agree that Boyd is overpaid compared to other KPFs. But the requirement to overpay him was there 2 years ago if we wanted to bring him in, and it's a decision that has entirely been justified and will continue to be for the rest of his contract, whether he progresses or not. No Boyd = no premiership this year. Given the choice, the club would do it again 100%, and that's whats important- no regrets.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

We don't win that GF without Boyd.

That doesn't mean he's not been overpaid to date.

You might not have won the flag without Liam Picken either. Is he worth $1 million a year as well?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

At this stage of his career, I agree that Boyd is overpaid compared to other KPFs.

Or just other players generally.

But the requirement to overpay him was there 2 years ago if we wanted to bring him in, and it's a decision that has entirely been justified and will continue to be for the rest of his contract, whether he progresses or not. No Boyd = no premiership this year. Given the choice, the club would do it again 100%, and that's whats important- no regrets.

But you concede he has been overpaid to date. That's my only argument - for some reason Dogs fans are determined to deny it. I don't get it.

 

[autocol]

Can I remind everybody of Ben Goldacre's famous quote: “You cannot reason people out of a position that they did not reason themselves into.”

This discussion isn't going to change anyone's minds...

 

[autocol]

You might not have won the flag without Liam Picken either. Is he worth $1 million a year as well?

I think it's been made quite clear that Liam Picken is the best footballer ever, with the possible exception of Max Rooke. He should be on $2 million.

 

[Sentinel]

Or just other players generally.

But you concede he has been overpaid to date. That's my only argument - for some reason Dogs fans are determined to deny it. I don't get it.

Yes I personally think he has been. But I'm very happy with how it stands.

 

[Shane Sheridan]

This doesn't mean Boyd isn't overpaid.

It's bizarre how Dogs supporters keep pointing out that they won the flag and therefore there's no way Boyd could be overpaid, as though one proves the other.

The reality is that Boyd is the highest-paid player at the Dogs but has yet to record a top 10 finish in their B&F. In light of that, how is it at all disputable that's been overpaid to date?

Rubbish. It's the obvious reality.

It's about premierships, not individual b & f's. Big investment, big return, worth every dollar.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

It's about premierships, not individual b & f's.

This doesn't demonstrate that Boyd hasn't been overpaid to date.

Big investment, big return, worth every dollar.

Except he hasn't been.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Yes I personally think he has been.

Why are Dogs fans unwilling to acknowledge this?

 

[Sentinel]

Why are Dogs fans unwilling to acknowledge this?

Because none of us could give a shit. We just won a flag which most of us didn't think we'd see in our lifetime. Boyd was central to it. His salary has therefore become irrelevant to us.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Because none of us could give a shit.

Judging by the responses to this thread, plenty of Dogs fans do give a shit.

We just won a flag which most of us didn't think we'd see in our lifetime. Boyd was central to it. His salary has therefore become irrelevant to us.

And yet many Dogs fans continue to insist he hasn't been overpaid.

 

[Senor Ed]

That doesn't mean he's not been overpaid to date.

You might not have won the flag without Liam Picken either. Is he worth $1 million a year as well?

Don't disagree with you there, but you compared it with Nic Nat and that he was your most important player.

I think Boyd just proved himself to be pretty bloody important as well no?

 

[Sentinel]

Judging by the responses to this thread, plenty of Dogs fans do give a shit.

And yet many Dogs fans continue to insist he hasn't been overpaid.

What is your point though? Are you looking for some satisfaction in someone admitting we're paying Boyd more than he's worth? He won us a premiership- nothing else matters.

 

[ossie_21]

Sweet Jesus - Did Tom Boyd piss in your cereal? Talk about an obsession lol

As a bulldogs fan this thread is absolutely hilarious and brilliant, Dogs fans barely care about his salary now & this will continue to be a thread for lemmings to keep taking shots at him. Plus, you talk a bit of s**t, many Dogs fans will admit the contract is a bit excessive but that's what it took with a calculated risk. That paid off very handsomely & made it worth it.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

What is your point though?

That Boyd has been overpaid to date.

It's not complicated.

Are you looking for some satisfaction in someone admitting we're paying Boyd more than he's worth?

I'm merely pointing out the obvious.

He won us a premiership- nothing else matters.

So why are Dogs fans so insistent that he hasn't been overpaid?

 

[Senor Ed]

People have to realise that we don't care if hes overpaid for the following reasons:
- He's a marque signing for the Dogs - marketing tick
- He is a KPF who is 21 years old with a lot of scope for improvement - list management tick
- No other player has been has been forced out by his contract; in fact we still didnt pay 100% of the cap this year because of our list profile
- We just won the mother ****ing flag with him delivering on the big stage

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

That Boyd has been overpaid to date.

It's not complicated.

I'm merely pointing out the obvious.

So why are Dogs fans so insistent that he hasn't been overpaid?

When will you realise the obvious point that he wasn't given this contract based on what he'd do as a 20 year old??