To go on with yesterday, I did have another factor. If players play better under good coaches, then do coaches coach better under good...?
NFL Tom Brady, Bill Belichick - Greatest of All Time?
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To go on with yesterday, I did have another factor. If players play better under good coaches, then do coaches coach better under good...?
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Nup.
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I'll take owners for $200.
If that's what you're angling at then, yeah, the autonomy that Kraft allows gives BB the confidence to make the decisions and run his team his own way, which a lot of coaches don't have. Stable and supportive ownership has been behind a lot of the Superbowl success stories: DeBortolo/Walsh, Rooney/Noll, Kent Cooke/Gibbs, Mara/Parcells & Coughlin, Muchison/Landry, Robbie/Shula.
But I don't think it's solely that, the seeds of Belichicks method of operation were there at Cleveland, he did manage to get the Browns to the playoffs in his third season before he became a bit of a lame duck among the external Browns politics. His ruthless player management was also in evidence with his discarding of fan favourite Bernie Kosar in favour of freaking Vinny Testaverde.
You could also say a good GM helps too, but BB does a lot of this himself.
If it's not one of the above you may need to spell it out for me.
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Eat a fat steaming s**t. Patriots world champs, we beat the supposed best D in the history of the game with the best coach and QB in the history of the game. You're team did one of the biggest choke jobs in history so let the tears flow. We're world ******* champs. I was there and it was one of the best ******* days ever. Let the tears flowwwwww hater.
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People are going to talk trash and try and take away from the Patriots no matter what so they can get ****ed to be honest. No point trying to reason with these people.
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No Pont trying to reason with someOne who follows all Boston teams but replaces pats with gints...
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Still cant believe that.No Pont trying to reason with someOne who follows all Boston teams but replaces pats with gints...
He'd be kicked out of Boston if the locals knew that.
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Oh my god he would be absolutely crucified haha. Ah well good luck to him
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Of all the teams too. Can't think of many worse than the Giants. The Yankees, the Lakers and maybe the Canadiens.
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Didn't have to reason with me, I wasn't trying to downplay TB's importance.No Pont trying to reason with someOne who follows all Boston teams but replaces pats with gints...
As for the Giants VS Boston, it's a long story and my mates in NJ give me heaps for it.
I've been a rabid Giants fan since the early 90's but could never settle on a basketball/baseball team. Hated the Yankees and everything they stood for and hate the Knicks almost as much. I certainly wasn't going to go for the 'little brother' team in that city. Mets and Nets sucked (Pretty much the JETS of their sport). I bounced from Seattle Mariners in the 90's and Orlando Magic but I'm a huge fan of Stephen King and as many of you know his stories are usually set in Mass. (Castle Rock etc) I didn't grow up in NY so didn't have that ingrained HATE of the Boston teams (The patriots sucked and I liked Larry Bird) Boston is also one of my must see destinations so I hopped on the Boston bandwagon in 2002 (. Unfortunately I couldn't give up my Giants love though. So I hate ALL teams NY except the Giants and because of my other sports roots have an appreciation for what BB and TB have been able to achieve. I also have 2 amazing SB memories thanks to the Patriots
I I've seen my AFL, NFL, MLB and NBA ALL win titles.
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I'll take owners for $200.
If that's what you're angling at then, yeah, the autonomy that Kraft allows gives BB the confidence to make the decisions and run his team his own way, which a lot of coaches don't have. Stable and supportive ownership has been behind a lot of the Superbowl success stories: DeBortolo/Walsh, Rooney/Noll, Kent Cooke/Gibbs, Mara/Parcells & Coughlin, Muchison/Landry, Robbie/Shula.
But I don't think it's solely that, the seeds of Belichicks method of operation were there at Cleveland, he did manage to get the Browns to the playoffs in his third season before he became a bit of a lame duck among the external Browns politics. His ruthless player management was also in evidence with his discarding of fan favourite Bernie Kosar in favour of freaking Vinny Testaverde.
You could also say a good GM helps too, but BB does a lot of this himself.
If it's not one of the above you may need to spell it out for me.
Your answer was correct. Good admin accounts for everything in that hierarchy.
In effect, you added to my point. Belichick may well have produced similar results at Cleveland as he did at NE. But other stuff got in the way. Good admin doesn't have that nonsense.
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The golden touch doesn't seem to carry over to Belichicks co-ordinators when given a HC role
Coach | Record | Win %\
Nick Saban | 15-17 | 46.9%\
Josh McDaniels | 11-17 | 39.3%\
Romeo Crennel | 28-55 | 33.7%\
Eric Mangini | 33-47 | 41.3%\
Bill O’Brien | 10-11 | 47.6%\
| | \
OVERALL| 97-147 | 39.8%
Nick Saban | 15-17 | 46.9%\
Josh McDaniels | 11-17 | 39.3%\
Romeo Crennel | 28-55 | 33.7%\
Eric Mangini | 33-47 | 41.3%\
Bill O’Brien | 10-11 | 47.6%\
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OVERALL| 97-147 | 39.8%
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You got the parcels tree handy? Love to see it. Reading through this thread again.... Tehehehe.
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Parcells had
- Bill Belichick 214-109 : 66.3% ( 4 Superbowl wins )
- Ray Handley 14-18 : 43.8 %
- Tom Coughlin 166-142 : 53.9% ( 2 SB Wins)
- Chris Palmer 5-27 : 15.6%
- Al Groh 9-7 : 56.3 %
- Romeo Crennell 28-55 : 33.7%
- Sean Payton 81-51 : 61.4% (1 SB Win)
- Tony Sparano 32-41 : 43.8%
- Todd Haley 19-26 : 32.2%
Overall : 568-476 : 54.4% (7 SB wins and 3 different coaches at the Browns)
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Al Davis would have a good one.
All because when he coached, he had Bill Walsh in his tree, his first coaching gig with the Raiders.
And Walsh's then spawned off with its own beastly tree.
All because when he coached, he had Bill Walsh in his tree, his first coaching gig with the Raiders.
And Walsh's then spawned off with its own beastly tree.
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