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WSYD Tom Scully has committed to GWS
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I pose this question to you guys, do you always believe the media's take on the multitude of issues brought up for discussion?
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LOL people really don't know anything about football do they? Miller is a DUD that's why he was delisted or do you think clubs need to kee these types of players juts because they are a good bloke?
Bruce is finished and should have taken the 1 year Melbourne offered to him as for McDonald, yes we f***ed up but that doesn't mean we deserve to loss Scully.
The Falcon Strike
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Judd aged 20 kicked 5 goals in a half against the best team for a very long time - and got hailed as one of the great weapons in the game by Leigh Matthews. The following year he won a brownlow. I don't reckon Scully's at that level
Secondly - Ablett's compensation was 1st round pick and end of first round pick. Scully's not getting more than that. At the very best it'll be matched. More likely you'll get a 1st round draft pick - so say you finish 8th - it'll be pick 12
Secondly your comments about salaries is ridiculous. GWS are only offering that money because it's the only way to prise them away from a club. Had GWS not offered Scully a contract Melbourne would be offeirng him $300k per year - meaning that's how Melbourne value him - so by your compensation you should get pick 20-30 for him? Even with the offer - Melbourne are offering $600k - so they are only valuing him apparently at pick 5-10.
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Wallace, just likes his name in the papers, this comment from Wallet shows we didnt tank
"I didn't do anything. I just let the boys play. There weren't any miracle moves in the last couple of minutes."
Well that was how he coached the whole 5 years he was there, no plan and he basically didnt do anything.
At Melbourne it was a concerted and deliberate effort to rort the system, not a last minute decision by an outgoing coach.
Really the whole pp thing was stupid, it's time the world got back to rewarding success, not mediocrity, simple fact is not everyone can be winners.
Scully "I want to be a one club player"
Lynch (his manager) "If you were a Melbourne supporter you would be confident Tom Scully will be there next season"
Have I missed something? Why are so many people so stupid?
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No... but is shows that life can turn quickly for an AFL player... Regardless of what impact those players would have had for the Dees this season it would have shown the young players that Melbourne look after their loyal players.... in the end they threw them to the scrap heap.
Why wouldn't Scully look at the treatment thsoe players got and think twice about "how" loyal Melbourne are??? Infact all your players will.... it will cost you guys alot more come contract time with all your players....
His manager said just last week that Melbourne supporters should be optimistic that he'll stay at the club.
I think GWS were so keen on signing either Pendlebury, Thomas or Murphy at the start of the year that they didn't make Scully an offer during the window they had. When they realised they wouldn't sign any of them big name stars they decided to make a play at Scully.
Well the fact that Scullys manager has asked for the contract offer from GWS to be put on paper means for a dead set certainty that he is gone!
He's known for a long time what the GWS offer is and has compared that to Melbourne's. and now they have gone back to GWS and asked for official unretractable commitment. Obviously so that he can say no to Melbourne (who have likely behind the scene given him a set deadline to accept) and he can then be secure in the knowledge that GWS are not going to accept another player on a massive deal and then withdraw their verbal contract to Scully leaving him high and dry.
He's known for a long time what the GWS offer is and has compared that to Melbourne's. and now they have gone back to GWS and asked for official unretractable commitment. Obviously so that he can say no to Melbourne (who have likely behind the scene given him a set deadline to accept) and he can then be secure in the knowledge that GWS are not going to accept another player on a massive deal and then withdraw their verbal contract to Scully leaving him high and dry.
People seem to forget we didn't tank against Carlton in 2007 for the Kruezer cup when we could have.
Anyways time to move on people. Who else will join in Scully in West Syd?
Anyways time to move on people. Who else will join in Scully in West Syd?
DaveyTrainxpress
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Seriously do you think that Melbourne is the ONLY club to have done this? Clubs move players on all the time. If we kept players like Robbo, White, Whealen, Wheatley, Holland, Ward, Brown, Yze etc (who were all pushed out a little) then we would be in a much bigger mess then we are now in terms of development. we would be in the bottom four and we would be looking at our list and thinking it has major potential.
As for Scully, he would be at Melbourne if we kept these players. If he is questioning Melbourne's loyalty to these players then he will be a hypocrite.
Miller was given so many chances at Melbourne and did nothing, he played along side Neitz, Robbo, the Ox, Yze etc in that forward line and couldn't make an impact. How many chances does one player need?????
Didn't Scully say categorically that as soon as he'd receive an offer the club would be the first to know, hence the article in the Herald Sun? I don't see what the issue is. So far he's stuck to his word, unless I've missed something
Yes, you did, but Carlton out-tanked you. That game was a farce.
This thread is going to look very stupid tomorrow.
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Do you forget that entire game?
Do you West Coast supporters intentionally go out of your way to be difficult? Seriously!
To answer your comments, when Tom Scully was aged 19, Mick Malthouse compared him to Chris Judd... Tom Scully got 18 touches in a quarter to deserve that praise:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-star-nomination/story-e6frf9jf-1225865232360
Not bad praise by someone with equally high credentials as Matthews.
Also, about Ablett... I'm guessing you didn't read a previous quote of mine saying I believe Geelong got ABSOLUTELY SHAFTED in that deal. He was worth pick #1 minimum I believe.
Finally, about salaries draft compensation... these new plastic clubs get enough concessions as it is... why should they be getting young superstars at wholesale prices too? They are offering contracts that no other club can match, so why should the compensation be so little? It has nothing to do with what Melbourne can afford, his market price is $300,000 a season I reckon... but if GWS are willing to offer $1,000,000/season, why not be compensated to that level? According to GWS he is worth as much as Ablett, Judd, etc... and in a normal trade period each of those players would command a minimum of 2 top-10 draft picks
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Alistair (one club player) lynch talks about loyalty, I guess they were one club eventually, didnt he take the skase money? or was it pellermans?
Bend it any way you want to
So Richmond tanked passively, we tanked actively, whatever. Collingwood, Westcoast, Hawthorn, StKilda, Richmond, Melbourne, Carlton have all tanked. I liked one of the early posts in here that showed if Carlton didnt tank against us in the '07 'Kruezer cup' we would have landed Cotchin instead of Morton (and a priority pick after Watts in '08 too probabkly NicNat), and the Tiges Kreuzer most likely. So the moral of the story is...........that we should all hate Carlton
True, my theory is that our stand in coach at the time (can't remember his name) who later became a Carlton assistant, was paid under the table by Carlton and guarenteed a job there to tank less effectively than Carlton.
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The Falcon Strike
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If his market price is $300,000 - why do you want higher market compensation? Who cares what GWS offer him - if the normal market price is higher - why should you be compensate higher if they are paying way overs and making a bad economic decision.
According to GWS he's worth half of Ablett BTW - remember he's getting close to double that. So he's only half the compensation right?
According to Melbourne FC he's only worth $300-$600k - and a bloke like Luke Ball went pick 30 in the draft.
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So Scully and Walker seem like certainties. Who are the other 1 - 2 players? Someone from Port? Rhys Palmer? Dan Rich?
Are you referring to the PP rules, which were changed the year of Carlton's first No.1 pick and before Melbourne even got theirs? Amazed you've decided to run with an obviously made-up version of history.
Okay, let me simplify this so you can understand... put yourself in my shoes: I am a Melbourne supporter, I want what my club deserves! Why would I want my club to accept a pick around #10-20 for a kid who could potentially be the best player in the competition in 3yrs time?
I read earlier in this thread that West Coast have a tight cap as is... so assuming NAITANUI was offered $1,000,000 from GWS which you can't compete with, and his market price is around $300,000-$400,000 (if you say he is worth any more than that at present for his 10 posession games, your dreaming), what would you expect in compensation. Remember, he was a #2 draft pick, but has shown nothing like Judd did at aged 20... potentially though, he could be anything!
What is adequate compensation in that scenario?
If the amounts that were stated int he Heraldsun are accurate (let's face it this current article proves that all of their previous info on the subject was wrong) then after tax is taken into account there's a difference of around $220k. That's not taking into account his manager's fee which will further reduce the difference.
If Tom decides to go to GWs then he'll have to relocate into a much more expensive market.
That's not a huge difference, it's definitely not as much as all the nuffies were suggesting here on BF ie 3 times what Melbourne could pay.
I still don't know what he'll do and I won't blame him if he goes but it doesn't really seem to be worth it for him. I think the main result of all this will be that Melbourne will have had to be over what he'd normally be worth resulting in making it more difficult to keep other players.
If Tom decides to go to GWs then he'll have to relocate into a much more expensive market.
That's not a huge difference, it's definitely not as much as all the nuffies were suggesting here on BF ie 3 times what Melbourne could pay.
I still don't know what he'll do and I won't blame him if he goes but it doesn't really seem to be worth it for him. I think the main result of all this will be that Melbourne will have had to be over what he'd normally be worth resulting in making it more difficult to keep other players.
The Falcon Strike
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Do i think it's fair? Not really
Do I see the irony? A little.
There would never be adequate compensation - clubs would always want more. We'd have zero chance of keeping NN if he was tempted by the dollars - and we've been very fortunate that our stars have signed up.
We've also lost arguably the best midfielder in a very long time for one top draft pick, a speculative player and pick 20. People can refer to Kennedy as being a top 5 pick - but his market currency wasn't that high at the time of the trade - far from it in fact So we got one 1st round pick and roughly 2 second round picks for a legend. So we've been through it.
Melbourne also cheated the salary cap to nab Jeff White off Fremantle by offering overmarket value to get him away from his club... sound familiar?
