Recruiting AFL Trade & Free Agency IX

[Lore]

Spoiler: 2021 Key Dates

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Monday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW&ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday November 3 (9am) – Tuesday November 9 (5pm)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10 (2pm)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Thursday November 11 (9am) – Monday November 15 (5pm)

Draft Nominations Due
Wednesday November 17 (3pm)

Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period
Thursday November 25 (10pm) - Thursday November 25 (11pm)

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 25 (10pm) - Thursday November 25 (11pm)

Pre-Selected Rookie Nominations Due (Includes Academy, Father/Son)
Friday November 26 (12pm) - Friday November 26 (12.30pm)

Preseason Draft
Friday November 26 (3pm)

Pre-Selected Rookie Notification
Friday November 26 (3.15pm)

Rookie Draft
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29 (4pm)

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Current Contract Status
2021 Draft Watch
Father/Son and NGA
Adrian Dodoro

 

[Lore]

It actually feels like he's having a crack at someone, but I can't work out who or what about.

Getting your difference makers at the top of the draft and supporting those selections with complementary bits and pieces around the fringes is hardly groundbreaking stuff.

That was my read too. Like maybe that's what happened before he arrived (plenty of evidence to support that!), and he felt the need to reiterate that we're not doing that now? Or perhaps there's internal friction still now that he was referring to?

There's no need ordinarily to point out that the club has a plan and they're all following it, because that's the status quo right. You only comment on it if either you're asked about it (he wasn't, I listened to it back and the question was something about what he learned in his time at Melbourne), or if you're trying to make some kind of point.

 

[Lore]

That sounds like a veiled shot on behalf of him/Dodoro at Richardson tbh.

It's weird though coz Mahoney arrived in December last year. He wasn't here when Richardson was here, he has no first hand experience of that situation, he arrived after the internal club review that supposedly sorted it all out. Like might've officially agreed to come across before then but wasn't part of our trade period or our draft last year...

 

[TheGrizz]

It's weird though coz Mahoney arrived in December last year. He wasn't here when Richardson was here, he has no first hand experience of that situation, he arrived after the internal club review that supposedly sorted it all out. Like might've officially agreed to come across before then but wasn't part of our trade period or our draft last year...

Yeah, hence i mentioned Dodoro might be in on it. I dont think its a well hidden secret there were multiple people at the club upset at how he took over the Shiel negotiations for example.

 

[Zach Package]

Maybe he’s having a go at anyone here who wants us to sell the farm for King.

Could well be, particularly given the club he's just come from has just won a flag with a player the wooden spooner didn't want, a player no one wanted and a mature ager out of the VFL as their key pillars up forward.

That sounds like a veiled shot on behalf of him/Dodoro at Richardson tbh.

Could well be, they all seem unusually on the same page at the moment, might be an attempt to call out the fact that we're working towards 'not laughing stock' territory.

 

[andleanback]

I think the thing that can be taken away from the demons premiership team is, how important it is to make use of your 2nd round picks. Not sure there has been a team of recent with that many 2nd round picks in the side. We've been usually pretty good in the 1st round, its getting minimal from our 2nd round selections which has been the issue. Even the years melbourne traded away their 1st round selection (17 and 18), they hit on the players they took in round 2, so nothing was lost.
Charlie spargo

9

Charlie Spargo

Age

24

Ht

172cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.7

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

5.3

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.6

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

G

0.0

1star

D

13.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

- pick 29
Max Gawn

11

Max Gawn

Age

32

Ht

209cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.7

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

35.3

5star

D

18.5

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

7.0

4star

CL

3.5

4star

HO

29.2

5star

D

8.4

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

15.6

5star

- pick 34
James Jordan - pick 33
Jack Viney

7

Jack Viney

Age

30

Ht

179cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.1

5star

K

9.4

4star

HB

12.6

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

5.7

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

21.8

5star

K

10.3

4star

HB

11.5

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

4.8

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

- pick 26
Bayley Fritsch

31

Bayley Fritsch

Age

27

Ht

188cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.7

3star

HB

1.8

1star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

- pick 31
Tom sparrow

32

Tom Sparrow

Age

23

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.0

4star

K

6.0

2star

HB

9.0

5star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

CL

3.0

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

6.0

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

CL

3.0

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

CL

3.0

5star

- pick 27
Trent Rivers

24

Trent Rivers

Age

22

Ht

188cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.7

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.0

4star

MG

171.3

3star

D

10.7

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.7

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.0

3star

MG

171.3

3star

D

10.7

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.7

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

171.3

3star

- pick 32
Harry petty - pick 37

Can even add in Jake Bowey at 21 and ANB at pick 40.

 

[Towno78]

I think the thing that can be taken away from the demons premiership team is, how important it is to make use of your 2nd round picks. Not sure there has been a team of recent with that many 2nd round picks in the side. We've been usually pretty good in the 1st round, its getting minimal from our 2nd round selections which has been the issue. Even the years melbourne traded away their 1st round selection (17 and 18), they hit on the players they took in round 2, so nothing was lost.
Charlie spargo - pick 29
Max Gawn - pick 34
James Jordan - pick 33
Jack Viney - pick 26
Bayley Fritsch - pick 31
Tom sparrow - pick 27
Trent Rivers - pick 32
Harry petty - pick 37

Can even add in Jake Bowey at 21 and ANB at pick 40.

Can't really count Viney though

 

[andleanback]

Can't really count Viney though

You can. He’s a f/s but you still have to use the pick on him.

 

[TheGrizz]

You can. He’s a f/s but you still have to use the pick on him.

The F/S system was different when he was drafted.

He was bid on with pick 7 by Port before the draft (as they used to do) and Melbourne only needed to match with their 2nd rounder pick.

So essentially he was a top 10 pick and talent.

 

[BrunoV]

Yeah, hence i mentioned Dodoro might be in on it. I dont think its a well hidden secret there were multiple people at the club upset at how he took over the Shiel negotiations for example.

I very much doubt is has anything to do with Richardson.

I doubt you'd find many people in the industry that would side with Dodoro on that call. It is clear that a lot in the industry take trade negotiations personally and that there is a lot of angst directed to clubs for holding up trade period with certain deals, etc. There is also a view that you do not walk away from deals because you risk losing the next target.

In a vacuum Dodoro was right but he wasn't making that decision in a vacuum. He has counterparts at 17 other clubs and god knows how many player managers, not to mention a player we talked out of another destination. You have to be realistic about what it is going to cost to get a player and courting Shiel, trying to leverage a cap problem which left us outmanoeuvred, and a young star with 2 years to run on a contract and trying to get those trades done with 1 first round pick is unrealistic. I don't see how it serves us well at all.

It's very different when we were being raided during the supplements saga. He was entitled to be as difficult as he wanted to be to ensure we got fair value when the deck was well and truly stacked against him. That's the point, as far as I'm concerned, don't treat everyone else like they are stupid.

 

[andleanback]

The F/S system was different when he was drafted.

He was bid on with pick 7 by Port before the draft (as they used to do) and Melbourne only needed to match with their 2nd rounder pick.

So essentially he was a top 10 pick and talent.

I know it was different for the 2012 draft, regardless they still had the use the pick on him. If he turned into nothing, fans wouldve been like ' cant believe we wasted a selection on viney'. the same way the dogs wasted pick 14 on Ayce cordy, or the tigers wasted a pick on naish.

 

[Lore]

Yeah, hence i mentioned Dodoro might be in on it. I dont think its a well hidden secret there were multiple people at the club upset at how he took over the Shiel negotiations for example.

I guess the other angle is that we've been suggested as a destination for every random player who is or isn't contracted lately, especially over the last few days with Trade Radio trying to fill air time... is it a 'where there's smoke there's fire' or is it 'smoke and mirrors'?

Malcolm Rosas link
Trent Dumont link
Mabior Chol link
Ben Long link
Luke Dunstan link
Dylan Stephens link
Mitch Wallis link
Ben Cunnington link
Ben King link
Jake Kelly link
Josh Dunkley link
Mason Cox link

Even still talking about Shiel link

 

[citizen-erased]

It actually feels like he's having a crack at someone, but I can't work out who or what about.

Getting your difference makers at the top of the draft and supporting those selections with complementary bits and pieces around the fringes is hardly groundbreaking stuff.

i think that provides a bit of insight.

That said, Mahoney is a straight shooter. So may not be a crack, but just an honest answer on what we're doing now with zero reference to the past.

The draft hand comments leads me to think we'll do something very similar to his time at Melbourne.
Dodoro/RFK will identify talent we want from the draft. Mahoney will find a way to get them, rather than the eat your cake and have it too approach we've historically gone.

i.e. McDonald last year. If we wanted a pick to get him, i could have seen us trade hard for it. the player in is more important than the price paid.
Much like they did with Oliver, Kosi & Bowey.

 

[doug85]

Must admit, I didn’t pick up anything in that interview to be perceived as a whack at anyone. Maybe I’m too literal minded and missed some subtext.

And as for dodo, my one criticism of him is having a few players commit to us and not getting the deal done/nearly not getting the deal done. It’s pretty shitty.

 

[brutus76]

If Franga wants to go home (and seeing how tight knit a family they are in recent times) you could try to get 4 rom the Crows

Crows: Pick 11 (they can use for Dawson) and Francis
Essendon: Pick 4 and 37

Could then bundle 37 and 48 for the Hawks 24 giving us 4,24.53

 

[Towno78]

You can. He’s a f/s but you still have to use the pick on him.

Nope. You are crediting them for recruiting a number of good players in the 2nd round.

Not sure there has been a team of recent with that many 2nd round picks in the side.

He's a first round pick, 7 in fact, regardless of the pick they used.

It's still a good list without him.

 

[Maxabillions]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/682360

surely we should be into Constable

 

[11kgm]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/682360

surely we should be into Constable

* yes, especially for a third

Intersting Cameron is staying in WA

 

[Duckworth]

If Franga wants to go home (and seeing how tight knit a family they are in recent times) you could try to get 4 rom the Crows

Crows: Pick 11 (they can use for Dawson) and Francis
Essendon: Pick 4 and 37

Could then bundle 37 and 48 for the Hawks 24 giving us 4,24.53

Pick 11 (1,329) + Francis
4+37 = 2517

Gives Francis a value of 1,188 or about pick 14. Not going to happen.

I suggest the more likely trade of Francis to Adelaide for pick 37.

 

[JayJ20]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/682360

surely we should be into Constable

I wonder why he never gets any serious interest from other clubs. I guess pure inside mids are becoming less and less popular.
Seems like teams are gravitating towards versatile mids to uncover the next Fyfe/Danger/Dusty/Petracca.

It's why guys like Brodie and Constable don't have any suitors.

 

[citizen-erased]

im invoking my "no trading Parish" position from last year - No Trading Francis...unless he asks for it.

 

[Old Campaigner]

I guess the other angle is that we've been suggested as a destination for every random player who is or isn't contracted lately, especially over the last few days with Trade Radio trying to fill air time... is it a 'where there's smoke there's fire' or is it 'smoke and mirrors'?

Malcolm Rosas link
Trent Dumont link
Mabior Chol link
Ben Long link
Luke Dunstan link
Dylan Stephens link
Mitch Wallis link
Ben Cunnington link
Ben King link
Jake Kelly link
Josh Dunkley link
Mason Cox link

Even still talking about Shiel link

lmao those *ers have no idea

I mean, neither do I but I don't try and pretend otherwise and commercialise it

 

[citizen-erased]

I wonder why he never gets any serious interest from other clubs. I guess pure inside mids are becoming less and less popular.
Seems like teams are gravitating towards versatile mids to uncover the next Fyfe/Danger/Dusty/Petracca.

It's why guys like Brodie and Constable don't have any suitors.

just being big means little.
You need to play big and impact games.

Parker is a good example. Might be shorter and lighter, but he plays the role better than bigger opponents.
You want that.

 

[Milanista28]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/682360

surely we should be into Constable

Goes from depth at Geelong to depth at Essendon, does he make our 22?

 

[Old Campaigner]

Goes from depth at Geelong to depth at Essendon, does he make our 22?

If he can learn some forward craft then maybe. I wonder if he's a bit one dimensional or something though.

 

[Lore]

A big mid and a small forward, perfect.