Trade hypotheticals

[Prochard123]

Wow

is there a problem?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

is there a problem?

Roughead is worth more than Beams

 

[Simon Wiggins]

Why would GWS want Rowe or White! Your best bet is a midfielder. Even then you are talking quality. There are quality talks after pick 6 this year anyway

Thought I read somewhere they want tall defenders that can play right away. If they just wanted a mid it'd be better off for Carlton to just give up say Robinson.

Yeah could probably still draft a quality tall at pick 6, but for a team that doesn't want a tall like GWS they might entertain a downgrade & still be able to get their man at pick 6 anyway.

 

[eaglespremiers]

IMO Carlton need a pick in the top 5. It's my (admittedly vague) understanding that you'd have to reach for a KPP at pick 6.
I think the dogs will finish above us, but Melbourne could end up with two first round picks either through priority or compo.

So I'd look to upgrade our first pick by a spot or two. GWS want an established defender. White, Rowe?
If Melbourne end up with 2 & 3 downgrading one of them to 6 in exchange for a best 22 player might be tempting too.

Durdin/Lever/Marchbank/McKenzie may all be available around pick 6-7.
You'd have to trade into top 3 to get better rated forwards than them.
You could also look at Cripps/Keitel/Payne with later picks.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Thought I read somewhere they want tall defenders that can play right away. If they just wanted a mid it'd be better off for Carlton to just give up say Robinson.

Yeah could probably still draft a quality tall at pick 6, but for a team that doesn't want a tall like GWS they might entertain a downgrade & still be able to get their man at pick 6 anyway.

If anything GWS will want an upgrade Petracca is the best player in the draft by a mile!

If you want a downgrade Henderson is the one. Robinson is useless to them, they want blokes who can kick!

 

[Simon Wiggins]

Durdin/Lever/Marchbank/McKenzie may all be available around pick 6-7.
You'd have to trade into top 3 to get better rated forwards than them.
You could also look at Cripps/Keitel/Payne with later picks.

Thanks. Carlton tend to pick the best available & I just don't want to see another back flanker or the like.
Looks like Marchbank or Lever could be considered best available at that pick.

If anything GWS will want an upgrade Petracca is the best player in the draft by a mile!

If you want a downgrade Henderson is the one. Robinson is useless to them, they want blokes who can kick!

I wouldn't give up Henderson for a top 5 pick let alone a 2 pick upgrade. With a lack of KPP the issue, it's kind of pointless giving one up for a potential one.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Reality is GWS despite wanting ready to go players actually want players that will be best 22. Not sure what you have that you will give up- assuming Yarran, Menzel, Murphy, Henderson are off limits

 

[Simon Wiggins]

Reality is GWS despite wanting ready to go players actually want players that will be best 22. Not sure what you have that you will give up- assuming Yarran, Menzel, Murphy, Henderson are off limits

I think you're making GWS out to be a lot harder to deal with than they have been. Sure someone like Robinson wouldn't be best 22 in a few years time, but neither will Shaw. Hell, whoever they pick up first round this year will have to be damn good to break into the side when they all start firing.

Sounds like I might've been a bit off with the need for a pick upgrade anyway.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I think you're making GWS out to be a lot harder to deal with than they have been. Sure someone like Robinson wouldn't be best 22 in a few years time, but neither will Shaw. Hell, whoever they pick up first round this year will have to be damn good to break into the side when they all start firing.

Sounds like I might've been a bit off with the need for a pick upgrade anyway.

Shaw is an A grade defender class, a genuine A grade defender, Robinson is C grade and I am being very kind there. You want to give up someone in the class of Shaw? That is what it will take. There is a reason Robinson is being traded, just saying.

 

[jackess]

It would be funny if Beams pulled the old homesick card and demanded a trade to Brisbane and they only offer their second rounder.

Free agent next year after Eddie has the free agency compensation picks removed.

 

[Jeremias]

There is a reason Robinson is being traded, just saying.

As opposed to there being no reason whatsoever for Shaw being traded?

 

[jackess]

I think maybe Ben Griffiths might be tradeable from Richmond. Few clubs will be looking for a big KPF who has had all the development work done. Maybe Lions, Saints, Freo or Carlton.

What do you think we would get in return?

I'd consider our second rounder if it wasn't tied to an academy pick.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

As opposed to there being no reason whatsoever for Shaw being traded?

The difference being Shaw is an A Grader both before and after the trade. Robinson can't kick. GWS have too many blokes that can't kick already.

 

[Jeremias]

The difference being Shaw is an A Grader both before and after the trade. Robinson can't kick. GWS have too many blokes that can't kick already.

The reason why Shaw was traded was because he's an A grader?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

The reason why Shaw was traded was because he's an A grader?

The reason Shaw got decent value was the fact he was an A grader. Robinson at best is worth a mid 2nd rounder and I'm being pretty generous. Probably in the 30-45 range. He can't kick. Heath Shaw is an elite kick.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Let's put Brent Stanton on the table - what would people offer?
(I realise that he won't be traded by us, purely looking at 'hypotheticals')

Wouldn't offer much as a Carlton list manager. He's a top up at a good club, not a need at a rebuilding club.

If I was Port/Fremantle/North, would be offering a late teens pick and a player that is depth at the club but fits a need for Essendon. North for e.g. could offer Mullett + 18-19 if they thought he would be a good addition (Harvey-Dal Santo-Wells-Stanton-Cunnington-Swallow-Greenwood-Ziebell) or Freo (Fyfe-Mundy-Barlow-Crowley-Stanton-Hill-Neale-Mzungu) could offer up Jon Griffin maybe as well as a decent pick (with Belly injury prone, having Griffin at Esse could help Ryder). Would expect Essendon to knock both back quite quickly but it's a starting point for negotiations.

Would obviously be dependent on Stanton being up to leaving.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Wouldn't offer much as a Carlton list manager. He's a top up at a good club, not a need at a rebuilding club.

If I was Port/Fremantle/North, would be offering a late teens pick and a player that is depth at the club but fits a need for Essendon. North for e.g. could offer Mullett + 18-19 if they thought he would be a good addition (Harvey-Dal Santo-Wells-Stanton-Cunnington-Swallow-Greenwood-Ziebell) or Freo (Fyfe-Mundy-Barlow-Crowley-Stanton-Hill-Neale-Mzungu) could offer up Jon Griffin maybe as well as a decent pick (with Belly injury prone, having Griffin at Esse could help Ryder). Would expect Essendon to knock both back quite quickly but it's a starting point for negotiations.

Would obviously be dependent on Stanton being up to leaving.

Doubt if Fremantle would see him as enough of an improvement on their outside mids to justify getting him.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Doubt if Fremantle would see him as enough of an improvement on their outsidemids to justify getting him.

Other than Hill though, most of their mids are all dual inside/outside players? If Stanton was available I'd have thought they would at least look at him to see whether he can aid Hill (and Pearce I guess).

Stanton won't be traded anyway, but I do think he'd add to a team in that 1st-6th range looking to get that extra 5%

 

[blueiris]

White and/or Rowe are not worth a top 5 pick

 

[Punchy Demons]

As for the poster a few pages back who asked about Kerridge to Melbourne, I think it'd have to be a player swap as your first round picks are way too low even to consider a Kerridge + say our pick 10 for a first round upgrade. I actually think there is a lot of upside with Kegs and think as a defensive HFF he'd be an absolute gun, hits the scoreboard, nullifies the oppositions preferred defensive kicker...which is why I'd think a second rounder ( which is probably his value) would not be enough for the Crows to move him on.

Yep that was me wanting to gauge the value of Kerridge from a trade perspective.

I noted you said it would take a direct player'(s) trade. What type of player from Melbourne do you consider of equal value to Kerridge to make it possible?

I certainly think if our 2nd rnd pick (currently about #21/22) is fair but as I said in a previous post, we may require that for Billy Stretch as a F/S selection, although we would know this before trade wk.

 

[Simon Wiggins]

White and/or Rowe are not worth a top 5 pick

Of course not. No-one said they were.

 

[DaVillaBlues]

No way is Brent Stanton worth a mid teens pick mid 3rd round/early 4th round pick at most, esp in a deep draft like this one.

His currency has fallen big time this year after a pretty poor season.

If Essendon want to get something of value this trade period, they will have to give up someone like Bellchambers.

 

[Stifler's mom]

With the Hawks having plenty of cap space room at the end of the year it's likely we will target an established midfielder. I know there's been talk recently about Brisbane potentially offering Dayne Beams a huge contract, but Hawthorn would be an ideal fit for Beams given that in two years time none of Hodge, Mitchell, Burgoyne and Sewell will be playing AFL. I reckon he would slot in nicely in our midfield. Obviously he'd cost a fair bit given he's already an A-grade midfielder. What would Collingwood want for Dayne Beams?

Just for the laughs, what do you think would be a fair trade for Beams?

 

[bloke_]

is there a problem?

Why would Hawthorne trade a Coleman medal winning KPF or an upcoming gun+first rounder for Beams? They aren't exactly overflowing with KPFs are they? Midfielders are easier to develop than key forwards.

Plus, if Rough is a fair trade, Gunstan and a first rounder is well overs

 

[Zach Package]

GWS are giving Patton an extra 2 years to go along with his existing deal that runs till the end of next year.

Fair to say he's not going anywhere