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The brilliant strategy of selectively sliding back during live trading by the Richmond recruiters has set the club up for a bumper 2024 Trade Period / National Draft.
Matt Clarke has suggested we might be targeting positional talent (key forwards) in next year's Trade Period or could go with bundling 2 firsts for the top of the draft which he rates very highly.
From the article in the HUN:
The Tigers were cheekily dubbed ‘Bidmond’ in 2019 – they were then the draft’s perennial bidders – only for chief recruiter Matt Clarke to recycle that status on Sydney instead last year. “People are now calling us the ‘Richmond Sliders’,” Matt Clarke told the Herald Sun on Wednesday.
“Because we kept working the phones to slide picks into next year. So we’ve changed from ‘Bidmond’ over to ‘Bidney’, and now we’re the Sliders.” Greater Western Sydney recruiter Emma Quayle coined the gag in a text to Clarke and on Tuesday night she was right.
The Tigers entered the draft at pick 35, soaked up four minutes of the shot clock (every club is given five minutes per selection) and then slid back to pick 38 in a trade with Fremantle. Then, at pick 38 they spent four more minutes on the clock before trading back from pick 38 to 40.
But like ‘Bidmond’, the ‘Richmond Sliders’ is set for a short shelf life. Next year it will be the ‘Richmond Risers’ as the Tigers plot to upgrade their suite of future picks into coveted first-round selections. They hold nine selections in the 2024 draft.
On Tuesday night they banked Fremantle’s future third-rounder, West Coast’s future third-rounder and Essendon’s future fourth-rounder without risking access to draft targets Kane McAuliffe or Liam Fawcett.
Put simply, Clarke has conjured a cache of draft points that will be in hot demand as another smattering of father-son and academy stars swell the first round.
“We don’t know if there’s going to be anywhere near the points that Gold Coast had to get this year with their four academy boys, but we know that the Crows are going to need a lot of points for (father-son) Tyler Welsh,” Clarke said. “Carlton has got the Camporeale boys, and one of them (Ben) is a genuinely right at the pointy end. “They’re both outstanding kids, they just run and keep getting the footy. “Then there’s obviously Gold Coast with (academy star Leo Lombard) and we always know there will be others to emerge.”
Fans who sat at home flummoxed as they watched the draft should realise that the Tigers crept an inch backwards to go a mile forwards.
Richmond’s draft haul of Kane McAuliffe and Liam Fawcett looked quite dull in comparison to most clubs. But imagine if those itty bitty deals help capture the Suns, Blues or Crows precious pick next year?
In the past eight drafts the Tigers have used just one pick inside the first 15 (Josh Gibcus No. 9 in 2021). So if they are sitting on two golden choices next year – their own plus a bonus one from a club chasing draft points – what should they do?
Choose two young guns in a draft class that Clarke rated as “really strong” at the top? Or be bold and shake out another club’s star?
“We know realistically where we’re at in terms of developing key position depth,” Clarke said. “But because we haven’t picked at the top for a while, maybe you want to add some high-end talent – no matter what type of player they are.
“Or a positional talent that you want to trade for to fill a hole. “That’s where you’ve got the currency with these (future) picks to go, ‘OK, maybe we do bundle up two or three picks to give to Carlton to get their first pick, and then you’ve got two first-rounders. “Then, you can go to a club and go, ‘OK, hey, we want your big boy – here’s two first-rounders’.”
For the record, the list of ‘big boys’ out of contract in 2024 includes Ben King (Gold Coast), Aaron Cadman (GWS), Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Tim English (Western Bulldogs) and Logan McDonald (Sydney).
All of this traces back to a draft strategy saturated in surveillance … and it was not even Plan A. The Tigers started Tuesday trying to trade up the order from pick 35 – not down. They ranked big boys Archie Reid and Mitch Edwards well inside their first round and so they offered West Coast pick 35 plus a future pick for No. 30 (the first selection on Tuesday night).
They were comfortable diluting their 2024 draft hand but realistic it was unlikely to tempt the Eagles. They declined, took Reid themselves and then Geelong grabbed Edwards at pick 32.
“We probably could’ve gone a little bit harder (at striking a trade for Reid or Edwards), but our strong intelligence was that we were in the box seat for young Liam Fawcett,” he said. “We always had Fawcett rated quite highly as well, so if they’re (Edwards and Reid) off the board we still have the option of picking a developing young key just behind those.”
With the Tigers unable to move up from No. 35 their strategy shifted to stockpiling future selections by cleverly manoeuvring down the order without risking access to their draft targets. The intelligence gathered by football chief Blair Hartley was critical.
Richmond knew Carlton and Fremantle held interest in Fawcett, and that Collingwood had conducted a house visit in South Australia.But Port Adelaide loomed as the danger, and so the Tigers prioritised taking both of their picks before the Power’s first.
Richmond’s trifecta of trades allowed Fremantle (Cooper Simpson), West Coast (Clay Hall) and Essendon (Archie Roberts) to secure their top targets immediately.
But when the deals were lodged the Tigers did not know for sure who any of those clubs would be taking. “We go, ‘OK, there’s a club ringing – who do we think they’re going to pick? We think they like this type, we think they’ve picked one of these before, we know this guy (rival recruiter) likes this type,” Clarke said. “I reckon it’s him. Well, we’re not picking him – let’s slide it, and that’s what we ended up doing.”
Only once have the Tigers asked who a rival would pick before agreeing to a swap on draft night.
The Tigers did not want to miss out on Hugo Ralphsmith in 2019 and so the honourable Ned Guy (ex-Collingwood list boss) divulged that the Pies wanted Trent Bianco to seal the deal.
Richmond recruiters had rated midfielder Clay Hall highly, however when he became an Eagle at pick 38 they did not get overly twitchy. “If you’ve got your heart set on one player specifically then you probably won’t do a lot of these things,” Clarke said. “But when you’ve got a band of players at a certain rating you go, ‘OK, well he’s one of these’.
“We’ve moved back three spots – but we’ve got this band of five players that are rated the same and so if one goes off, that’s OK – we’ll pick him.”
Hartley’s phone ran hot on the clock. He would transcribe the incoming offers to Clarke, who would then collaborate with their crew. “At one point there were four or five (trade) scenarios for one pick, so (we had to choose) what’s the best?” Clarke said. “OK, who’s giving you the future third?”
The Tigers referenced their “subjective calculation” of the 2024 premiership race when weighing up offers. That basically sounds like the world’s earliest ladder predictor, essentially reinforcing that West Coast’s future picks will probably be more valuable than Collingwood’s.
It might seem speaking to five clubs and selecting the best deal while scanning for intelligence on who likes your players is a lot to get done in four minutes.
But it was a deliberate tactic to also test the AFL’s shot clock.
“Sometimes people look at the clock and go, ‘Why aren’t they picking a bloke?’” Clarke said.“But you just don’t know who’s going to ring. We’re going to pick this bloke – but hang on. Just wait, just wait, and oh, gee the phone rings.
“You sit there and wait for someone to call because we’ve got three blokes here all rated the same. “We’re happy to pick either of them, but let’s just wait and someone might give us something good to roll back one or two picks and we’ll pick the same bloke. “Let’s just hold.”
After sliding from No. 35 to No. 38 and then from No. 38 to No. 40 the Tigers held again.
They fielded two more offers to moonwalk through the 40s, helping explain why it took four minutes to simply take McAuliffe. “But 40 might’ve gone back to 47 or 48, and that probably would’ve wiped out three of the guys we had rated there,” Clarke said.
“We’ve done pretty well. If we’re going to be risking it, let’s take our chips from the table now.“We put a lot of time and effort into this. A lot of people were probably sitting there going, ‘Oh, well, they just picked two players’. “The team that gathered the intel, it mightn’t look like much. But it was mentally draining by the end I can guarantee it.”
Matt Clarke has suggested we might be targeting positional talent (key forwards) in next year's Trade Period or could go with bundling 2 firsts for the top of the draft which he rates very highly.
From the article in the HUN:
AFL Draft 2023: Inside the Tigers’ 2023 draft strategy and what it means for 2024
The Tigers played coy at the 2023 draft with a limited hand, setting themselves up to be risers of 2024. SAM LANDSBERGER goes inside the draft strategy at Tigerland.The Tigers were cheekily dubbed ‘Bidmond’ in 2019 – they were then the draft’s perennial bidders – only for chief recruiter Matt Clarke to recycle that status on Sydney instead last year. “People are now calling us the ‘Richmond Sliders’,” Matt Clarke told the Herald Sun on Wednesday.
“Because we kept working the phones to slide picks into next year. So we’ve changed from ‘Bidmond’ over to ‘Bidney’, and now we’re the Sliders.” Greater Western Sydney recruiter Emma Quayle coined the gag in a text to Clarke and on Tuesday night she was right.
The Tigers entered the draft at pick 35, soaked up four minutes of the shot clock (every club is given five minutes per selection) and then slid back to pick 38 in a trade with Fremantle. Then, at pick 38 they spent four more minutes on the clock before trading back from pick 38 to 40.
But like ‘Bidmond’, the ‘Richmond Sliders’ is set for a short shelf life. Next year it will be the ‘Richmond Risers’ as the Tigers plot to upgrade their suite of future picks into coveted first-round selections. They hold nine selections in the 2024 draft.
On Tuesday night they banked Fremantle’s future third-rounder, West Coast’s future third-rounder and Essendon’s future fourth-rounder without risking access to draft targets Kane McAuliffe or Liam Fawcett.
Put simply, Clarke has conjured a cache of draft points that will be in hot demand as another smattering of father-son and academy stars swell the first round.
“We don’t know if there’s going to be anywhere near the points that Gold Coast had to get this year with their four academy boys, but we know that the Crows are going to need a lot of points for (father-son) Tyler Welsh,” Clarke said. “Carlton has got the Camporeale boys, and one of them (Ben) is a genuinely right at the pointy end. “They’re both outstanding kids, they just run and keep getting the footy. “Then there’s obviously Gold Coast with (academy star Leo Lombard) and we always know there will be others to emerge.”
Fans who sat at home flummoxed as they watched the draft should realise that the Tigers crept an inch backwards to go a mile forwards.
Richmond’s draft haul of Kane McAuliffe and Liam Fawcett looked quite dull in comparison to most clubs. But imagine if those itty bitty deals help capture the Suns, Blues or Crows precious pick next year?
In the past eight drafts the Tigers have used just one pick inside the first 15 (Josh Gibcus No. 9 in 2021). So if they are sitting on two golden choices next year – their own plus a bonus one from a club chasing draft points – what should they do?
Choose two young guns in a draft class that Clarke rated as “really strong” at the top? Or be bold and shake out another club’s star?
“We know realistically where we’re at in terms of developing key position depth,” Clarke said. “But because we haven’t picked at the top for a while, maybe you want to add some high-end talent – no matter what type of player they are.
“Or a positional talent that you want to trade for to fill a hole. “That’s where you’ve got the currency with these (future) picks to go, ‘OK, maybe we do bundle up two or three picks to give to Carlton to get their first pick, and then you’ve got two first-rounders. “Then, you can go to a club and go, ‘OK, hey, we want your big boy – here’s two first-rounders’.”
For the record, the list of ‘big boys’ out of contract in 2024 includes Ben King (Gold Coast), Aaron Cadman (GWS), Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Tim English (Western Bulldogs) and Logan McDonald (Sydney).
All of this traces back to a draft strategy saturated in surveillance … and it was not even Plan A. The Tigers started Tuesday trying to trade up the order from pick 35 – not down. They ranked big boys Archie Reid and Mitch Edwards well inside their first round and so they offered West Coast pick 35 plus a future pick for No. 30 (the first selection on Tuesday night).
They were comfortable diluting their 2024 draft hand but realistic it was unlikely to tempt the Eagles. They declined, took Reid themselves and then Geelong grabbed Edwards at pick 32.
“We probably could’ve gone a little bit harder (at striking a trade for Reid or Edwards), but our strong intelligence was that we were in the box seat for young Liam Fawcett,” he said. “We always had Fawcett rated quite highly as well, so if they’re (Edwards and Reid) off the board we still have the option of picking a developing young key just behind those.”
With the Tigers unable to move up from No. 35 their strategy shifted to stockpiling future selections by cleverly manoeuvring down the order without risking access to their draft targets. The intelligence gathered by football chief Blair Hartley was critical.
Richmond knew Carlton and Fremantle held interest in Fawcett, and that Collingwood had conducted a house visit in South Australia.But Port Adelaide loomed as the danger, and so the Tigers prioritised taking both of their picks before the Power’s first.
Richmond’s trifecta of trades allowed Fremantle (Cooper Simpson), West Coast (Clay Hall) and Essendon (Archie Roberts) to secure their top targets immediately.
But when the deals were lodged the Tigers did not know for sure who any of those clubs would be taking. “We go, ‘OK, there’s a club ringing – who do we think they’re going to pick? We think they like this type, we think they’ve picked one of these before, we know this guy (rival recruiter) likes this type,” Clarke said. “I reckon it’s him. Well, we’re not picking him – let’s slide it, and that’s what we ended up doing.”
Only once have the Tigers asked who a rival would pick before agreeing to a swap on draft night.
The Tigers did not want to miss out on Hugo Ralphsmith in 2019 and so the honourable Ned Guy (ex-Collingwood list boss) divulged that the Pies wanted Trent Bianco to seal the deal.
Richmond recruiters had rated midfielder Clay Hall highly, however when he became an Eagle at pick 38 they did not get overly twitchy. “If you’ve got your heart set on one player specifically then you probably won’t do a lot of these things,” Clarke said. “But when you’ve got a band of players at a certain rating you go, ‘OK, well he’s one of these’.
“We’ve moved back three spots – but we’ve got this band of five players that are rated the same and so if one goes off, that’s OK – we’ll pick him.”
Hartley’s phone ran hot on the clock. He would transcribe the incoming offers to Clarke, who would then collaborate with their crew. “At one point there were four or five (trade) scenarios for one pick, so (we had to choose) what’s the best?” Clarke said. “OK, who’s giving you the future third?”
The Tigers referenced their “subjective calculation” of the 2024 premiership race when weighing up offers. That basically sounds like the world’s earliest ladder predictor, essentially reinforcing that West Coast’s future picks will probably be more valuable than Collingwood’s.
It might seem speaking to five clubs and selecting the best deal while scanning for intelligence on who likes your players is a lot to get done in four minutes.
But it was a deliberate tactic to also test the AFL’s shot clock.
“Sometimes people look at the clock and go, ‘Why aren’t they picking a bloke?’” Clarke said.“But you just don’t know who’s going to ring. We’re going to pick this bloke – but hang on. Just wait, just wait, and oh, gee the phone rings.
“You sit there and wait for someone to call because we’ve got three blokes here all rated the same. “We’re happy to pick either of them, but let’s just wait and someone might give us something good to roll back one or two picks and we’ll pick the same bloke. “Let’s just hold.”
After sliding from No. 35 to No. 38 and then from No. 38 to No. 40 the Tigers held again.
They fielded two more offers to moonwalk through the 40s, helping explain why it took four minutes to simply take McAuliffe. “But 40 might’ve gone back to 47 or 48, and that probably would’ve wiped out three of the guys we had rated there,” Clarke said.
“We’ve done pretty well. If we’re going to be risking it, let’s take our chips from the table now.“We put a lot of time and effort into this. A lot of people were probably sitting there going, ‘Oh, well, they just picked two players’. “The team that gathered the intel, it mightn’t look like much. But it was mentally draining by the end I can guarantee it.”
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Great read for those who seem to believe we do things without much thought. Sure we could have just taken Clay Hall at 40, but it would seem we rated McAuliffe just as highly so claimed an extra 3rd round pick next year that will be better than our own and created flexibility and options for us to get aggressive in 2024.
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I'll keep saying it, TRUST THE PROCESS
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The recruiters seemed, very satisfied with the players they picked given the 2 slides.
Would be interesting to know what the next offer was at pick 40.
Would be interesting to know what the next offer was at pick 40.
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Clay Hall reminds me of Rhys Mattieson, so glad how things panned out with drafting Kane McAuliffe.
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Instead went with Sugar
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2024 draft order: Pies hope for Hawks slide, Tigers load up
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Seems like we have been really smart, we rate a few names equally all at the same position in the draft then we gain some value by trading with others who want a player bad enough.
Would love to see us continue down this path, making deals on the night and strengthening our position. The success rate on draftees is so low and we have effectively created something out of nothing with these moves.
If it was next year we had to trade in for Kosi we would have created that draft pick here just by being flexible with the players we wanted to bring in via the draft.
Next year if we end up bundling picks to a GC or similar and get a decent return, we are going to look back at this as a master stroke.
It says 47 or 48. Assume it would have been another F3. Think we stopped at the right time, we were getting 3rds for 2 or 3 pick slide. 7 or 8 is too much risk.
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Pretty happy with how it turned out looks like we balanced the risk v reward pretty well
Looking forward to next years trade period
It makes those whispers about cadman a little more interesting but he’s going to cost at least 2 first rounders
Would be just as happy taking x2 first rounders to the draft with maybe one or two 2nds
Yeah, any 'big boys' that we're targeting would probably require 2 x 1sts, one of those would be a F1 as I think we have to use a 1st next year.
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We should get two Round 1 picks for losing Jack.
This was a great read and it gives you confidence in what they do. I'm stoked that they were keen on Mcaullife because he's a hard nut midfielder, the sort of player we're gonna need and we seem to rarely target.
We've really set ourselves up well, and the C- trade period rating we got is such a joke, it's more like an A.
We've really set ourselves up well, and the C- trade period rating we got is such a joke, it's more like an A.
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Rumours board insinuating might be a little more to the reasons of Schoenmaker sliding so far, (not just the buying beers during the pre season)
Might of dodged a bullet
Might of dodged a bullet
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Watch the afl change the rules next year
No club can trade picks in second and 3rd round
For a first round
Then the following year they will reverse rule
When it suits Geelong
No club can trade picks in second and 3rd round
For a first round
Then the following year they will reverse rule
When it suits Geelong
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Did he bug some udls as well
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You can lock in Cadman now me thinks
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I'm just glad we didn't grab him because he sounds like a wee and poo player - is he related to ex Hawk Ryan?
Re our general outcome - we were always going to pick up a couple of prospects to fill our needs in the late 40's - and we did this and they show as much promise as any lads who go in the 40's - so check.
We were able to really load-up on capital for some major draft plays next year - so big check on that too.
& Finally I think we will be the only club that introduces into our team next year one elite power key forward and one highly touted and credentialed key back - (Lunch and Gibcus) - so check, check, checkaroony here as well.
Reckon we did 100% as well as could be expected - I'm excited!
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Ross Lyon has history picking up flogs. Remember Harley Bennell?If the Saints haven't done their due diligence then tough t***ies
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No proof we got the players we wanted, however, we probably were prepared to risk it as we saw little difference between those available.
I think that's obvious from a 10 week ban. Imagine you mods gave Groupie_ a 10 week ban every time he got on the VB's
Richmond sliders lol
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Bold ‘Richmond Sliders’ plot explained as suite of father-son guns to swing 2024 draft
Bold ‘Richmond Sliders’ plot explained as suite of father-son guns to swing 2024 draft
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Such a clever strategy. Hartley is almost more important to our future success than Yze! I love how, despite having little to no currency, he was able to gain three extra picks while still getting the players he wanted anyway. That ploy could be the difference between being a 'could have been' side and being another 'Flagmond' Dynasty side!!!
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