Mega Thread Trade Targets 2014

[LordLucifer]

I love Sauce but at the time i don't think he was a clear no 2...

There certainly was some conjecture about where he sat in the pecking order but the one thing we certainly should of been able to agree on was that he was ahead of Hampson.

 

[Jatz]

I know it's all doom and gloom on here but when were you hoping to challenge?

With a 'soft' draw courtesy of a bottom 6 finish, not sneaking into the 8 next year should be regarded as a failure. So by 2016 we'll either have a new coach, or Malthouse will be on the first year of a new 3 year contract. Higgins will be 28 by then which is still younger than when Kade Simpson won a B&F last year.

Offering a 3 year deal for the loss of no draft picks is what we're talking here.

And taking up cap space for a FA we could get next season or the season after.

I'm not being negative but if you genuinely think we will be near Sydney or Hawthorn in the next season or two, I don't know what to tell you. This rebuild is going to take time if we want to do it properly.

Otherwise, we can go the quick fix and acquire guys like Higgins that do nothing except rack up games in a Carlton guernsey.

 

[LanceRomance]

You wouldn't want to risk PSD either and you won't win by putting a price on your head.

We may have to settle for a 35 - 45 pick and move on.

which isn't too bad if you consider it is a return on a rookie.

Just a shame for all involved anyway.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Sounds like a rumour to me. Or maybe my understanding of the word 'official' is wrong.

For all we know, said west coast fan made up the whole story.

Sorry for nitpicking. Carry on...

Simple answer:

Your interpretation of 'official' is wrong.

Loosen up!

 

[LordLucifer]

One day we'll laugh about turning down pick 9 from Port for Hampson.


I guess we wouldn't have Doc if we did that deal...

We turned down #9 for Hampson ??

If that was the case then seriously, our administrators should be strung up be the goolies.

Hampson cost us what .... 17 or 18 in 2006, buy low and sell high, that would have been a terrific upgrade.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

We turned down #9 for Hampson ??

If that was the case then seriously, our administrators should be strung up be the goolies.

Hampson cost us what .... 17 or 18 in 2006, buy low and sell high, that would have been a terrific upgrade.

That was a rumour.

Chocco wanted Hampson and offered us Pick #9 (they used on Moore), but he was overruled by the Port Administration.

 

[ShanDog]

There certainly was some conjecture about where he sat in the pecking order but the one thing we certainly should of been able to agree on was that he was ahead of Hampson.

The problem was that we wanted Hampson to develop into a KPF who pinch hit in the ruck, remembering that at the time we didn't have a Casboult or Henderson up there regularly. Obviously that didn't work out and it meant that he often got a gig when Sauce was left in the seconds. The few times we tried to play Jacobs, Kreuzer AND Hampson in the same game, it rarely worked out well.

In hindsight, we would be better off if we had Jacobs and Kreuzer running around for us instead of Warnock and Kreuzer and the club may well have tried everything to keep Jacobs but we can't know.

 

[le dominateur]

A big NO to Higgins, slow and injury prone frontrunner. As for Garlett, hasta la vista Jeffy you sook.

 

[LordLucifer]

The problem was that we wanted Hampson to develop into a KPF who pinch hit in the ruck, remembering that at the time we didn't have a Casboult or Henderson up there regularly. Obviously that didn't work out and it meant that he often got a gig when Sauce was left in the seconds. The few times we tried to play Jacobs, Kreuzer AND Hampson in the same game, it rarely worked out well.

In hindsight, we would be better off if we had Jacobs and Kreuzer running around for us instead of Warnock and Kreuzer and the club may well have tried everything to keep Jacobs but we can't know.

Nice in theory but seriously, how often does that work anyway ??

Paul Salmon was a genuine ruckman who became a gun forward but he is an exception to the rule due to being extraordinarily tall for the game back then.

 

[LordLucifer]

seems so

But like I have been saying, from what I'm hearing, we'll lose him for nix.

Oh well, shit happens, just have to learn from the mistake, and all of the other blunders we have made in the past (Jacobs etc).

This really does come down to quality people management with a healthy does of good communication.

 

[ShanDog]

Nice in theory but seriously, how often does that work anyway ??

Paul Salmon was a genuine ruckman who became a gun forward but he is an exception to the rule due to being extraordinarily tall for the game back then.

Yeah true but circumstances at the time made the decision justifiable. I remember a few years ago there were regular calls for our club to stop emulating other club's game plans and start innovating ourselves. Damned if you do and damned if you don't I guess....

 

[Jeremias]

In a realistic world... I am wondering, what people think we should do come trade/FA month?
If Walker went packing with our 1st for a GWS gun, I think we should look at bringing in Higgins and Malceski on 3 year deals.

I'd happily move Walker for the right price but I don't think it's something that realistically will happen.

He falls into the category of a player who would hold some real value and have appeal to teams who are there abouts as genuine premiership threats. We're in a good position with Walker having recently signed a contract so if he was to leave we'd be receiving something fairly significant in return.

Higgins via FA would be a yes from me as a player who could really add a touch of class to the side. Looks just about set to leave the Bulldogs and given where they find themselves I think they'd be happy enough to see the back of him. Has shown an ability to play all over the park which would no doubt appeal to Mick. I'd happily bring him in to play predominantly as a forward who can move into the midfield. A 3 year deal on solid coin would be appropriate and I'd be happy to see that go through.

With Geary having recommitted to the Saints last week the other FA of interest to me is Goldsack. He's no star but has shown himself to be a very effective role player at both ends of the ground. It's not realistic to expect to bring in a star each time we dip our toes into the FA market but that doesn't mean we can't improve our squad regardless. I see Goldsack as a player who could really add to our side and have an immediate impact in a variety of positions.

I wouldn't bother with Malceski.

 

[LordLucifer]

Big gamble. If he's on I like him. I would hope the club stick fat and offer him a hugely reduced wage and a 1 year contract. From my memory, he held us to ransom last time and requested more years and a decent paycheck. Time to repay the faith Waitey. By my calculations, he owes us about 4 years of good football...

Bingo !!!

We have gambled how many times in the past and got it wrong ??

Time to play the percentages, we are not in a position to take risks, smart safe choices for the long-term please.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I know it's all doom and gloom on here but when were you hoping to challenge?

With a 'soft' draw courtesy of a bottom 6 finish, not sneaking into the 8 next year should be regarded as a failure. So by 2016 we'll either have a new coach, or Malthouse will be on the first year of a new 3 year contract. Higgins will be 28 by then which is still younger than when Kade Simpson won a B&F last year.

Offering a 3 year deal for the loss of no draft picks is what we're talking here.

I think we are 2 years off making finals again tbh.

If we are being serious, then we need another 10 players (either from the rookie list/previously drafted/or to be drafted) in the next 2 years to be pushing hard for senior selection. Add to that the new recruits and we maybe getting somewhere.

We have the foundations of a really good team with Gibbs, Murphy, Yarran, Menzel, Henderson, Buckley, Cripps, Doc, Everitt, Thomas, Graham and Cas looking to have at least 5 years + of good football ahead of them.

Walker, Kruezer, Lucas, Robinson, Watson, Warnock and Garlett maybe used as trade bait over the next year or so. Kruezer is really the only one out of that group I would hate to lose.

I expect us to once again bring in 2-3 players that are best 22 this year and next. But improvement must come from our younger guys and that sometimes takes time.

We aren't 5 years off. I think Thursday just gone showed that. Sensible trading and not throwing away players that have 5+ years left in them to bring in a superstar along with high picks will hurt us. If its a player that has 3 years left and possibly replaceable plus a pick, then thats ok.

Luck may fall our way also. We need a bit tbh. Players may need to pick us as their preferred club and that might save us a few high picks. Boyd, Patton, Shiel and Greene i'm looking at you!

 

[Azul]

And taking up cap space for a FA we could get next season or the season after.

I'm not being negative but if you genuinely think we will be near Sydney or Hawthorn in the next season or two, I don't know what to tell you. This rebuild is going to take time if we want to do it properly.

Otherwise, we can go the quick fix and acquire guys like Higgins that do nothing except rack up games in a Carlton guernsey.

Cap space shouldn't be an issue. We have a handful of senior blokes who won't be on the books in 2016, or at the very least on reduced terms.

There will be no rebuild. We were a kick away from beating last year's grand finalists last game. If you think Malthouse is going to sit idly by with a 5 year plan, you're mistaken. We'll see a newer, harder Carlton over the offseason that addresses the 10-minute brainfades that Mick has been at pains to excuse each and every press conference.

Last year we acquired 3 first round draft picks (Thomas, Everitt, Docherty). Higgins meets that criteria and would not 'do nothing except rack up games'.

 

[HARKER]

Yeah true but circumstances at the time made the decision justifiable. I remember a few years ago there were regular calls for our club to stop emulating other club's game plans and start innovating ourselves. Damned if you do and damned if you don't I guess....

Malthouse doesn't get swayed for the sake of it nor would he bow to the suits above when it comes to footballing matters.

His plan is in place and there has been and will continue to be collateral damage along the way and if Garlett, Lucas and possibly a couple of others fall through the cracks then so be it.

 

[LordLucifer]

Yeah true but circumstances at the time made the decision justifiable. I remember a few years ago there were regular calls for our club to stop emulating other club's game plans and start innovating ourselves. Damned if you do and damned if you don't I guess....

Fully understand where you are coming from, just another bad choice by the football club that has come home to bite us on the bum.

Again I say, when we have a list of 30 quality senior standard players & 12-14 novices, rookies & players with learner plates, only then can we try an "exotic", not now when we have to catch-up and can ill afford a miss.

 

[ShanDog]

I think we are 2 years off making finals again tbh.

If we are being serious, then we need another 10 players (either from the rookie list/previously drafted/or to be drafted) in the next 2 years to be pushing hard for senior selection. Add to that the new recruits and we maybe getting somewhere.

We have the foundations of a really good team with Gibbs, Murphy, Yarran, Menzel, Henderson, Buckley, Cripps, Doc, Everitt, Thomas, Graham and Cas looking to have at least 5 years + of good football ahead of them.

Walker, Kruezer, Lucas, Robinson, Watson, Warnock and Garlett maybe used as trade bait over the next year or so. Kruezer is really the only one out of that group I would hate to lose.

I expect us to once again bring in 2-3 players that are best 22 this year and next. But improvement must come from our younger guys and that sometimes takes time.

We aren't 5 years off. I think Thursday just gone showed that. Sensible trading and not throwing away players that have 5+ years left in them to bring in a superstar along with high picks will hurt us. If its a player that has 3 years left and possibly replaceable plus a pick, then thats ok.

Luck may fall our way also. We need a bit tbh. Players may need to pick us as their preferred club and that might save us a few high picks. Boyd, Patton, Shiel and Greene i'm looking at you!

Nailed it for mine.

Sensible trading and good drafting has always been, and will always be, the key to developing a top side. We have made big changes in the last couple of years and we are getting the mix of youth and experience to good levels. Let's hope the club continues that.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Malthouse doesn't get swayed for the sake of it nor would he bow to the suits above when it comes to footballing matters.

His plan is in place and there has been and will continue to be collateral damage along the way.

Each media conference after a loss proves how much he wants us to win. Even if we win, he just wants to be with the group and addressing good and bad points from that game.

He will again put us in a better position that last year come the end of 2014.

I doubt a coach 1 year in would have had the balls to turn the horrible list over as much as what Mick has done.
Could you imaging if he hadn't swung the axe like he did?

 

[Jatz]

Cap space shouldn't be an issue. We have a handful of senior blokes who won't be on the books in 2016, or at the very least on reduced terms.

There will be no rebuild. We were a kick away from beating last year's grand finalists last game. If you think Malthouse is going to sit idly by with a 5 year plan, you're mistaken. We'll see a newer, harder Carlton over the offseason that addresses the 10-minute brainfades that Mick has been at pains to excuse each and every press conference.

Last year we acquired 3 first round draft picks (Thomas, Everitt, Docherty). Higgins meets that criteria and would not 'do nothing except rack up games'.

Are any premiership quality sides currently in for Higgins?

There's already a rebuild. We will lose Carazzo, Waite, Judd, Mclean, Simpson etc over the next couple of years. You want to replace them with the likes of Higgins. That doesn't help get us to a premiership.

One game against the defending premiers means squat. Zero. We could have lost every game by 1 point this season and it still wouldn't have changed where we are. Malthouse has had two off season's to sort out these brainfades and he still hasn't done it.

I'm a big fan of Mick but if he goes down the 'quick fix' route, I'll be seriously ticked off. Getting Higgins means that we play finals at the bottom end of the 8. Do the rebuild properly and assemble a squad that will be better than an 8th placed side.

 

[LordLucifer]

I'm a big fan of Mick but if he goes down the 'quick fix' route, I'll be seriously ticked off. Getting Higgins means that we play finals at the bottom end of the 8. Do the rebuild properly and assemble a squad that will be better than an 8th placed side.

If he goes the "quick fix", people who have been supportive of him (like me) will be calling for his head as clearly he isn't in the job for the right reasons.

We have tried the bandaid approach before, hell, it was our professional modus operandi in the days prior to the draft & salary cap, yet these days it just doesn't work due to those constraints.

And one thing people do then to overlook is why were those two measures brought in ?? No coincidence that the halting of our dominance and the implementation of the two equalisation measures is there ......

We have to adapt to the modern era, we have flirted with it in some ways but never fully embraced it (whether that is sheer arrogance or a lack of acceptance I do not know), but unless we do get with the times, our supporters are going to be resigned to mid-table finishes forever.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Are any premiership quality sides currently in for Higgins?

There's already a rebuild. We will lose Carazzo, Waite, Judd, Mclean, Simpson etc over the next couple of years. You want to replace them with the likes of Higgins. That doesn't help get us to a premiership.

One game against the defending premiers means squat. Zero. We could have lost every game by 1 point this season and it still wouldn't have changed where we are. Malthouse has had two off season's to sort out these brainfades and he still hasn't done it.

I'm a big fan of Mick but if he goes down the 'quick fix' route, I'll be seriously ticked off. Getting Higgins means that we play finals at the bottom end of the 8. Do the rebuild properly and assemble a squad that will be better than an 8th placed side.

In all fairness to Mick, it's only been 1 preseason. No one would touch the players Ratten had signed to long term deals that weren't seen as part of our future when Mick came onboard.

 

[HARKER]

Seems that Gumbleton may be de-listed at years end. What do we think?

We really should have done that Yarran trade for him last year as Lloydy (?) suggested.

 

[Jatz]

In all fairness to Mick, it's only been 1 preseason. No one would touch the players Ratten had signed to long term deals that weren't seen as part of our future when Mick came onboard.

No doubt, not blaming that solely on Mick. But as the head coach, he should still be able to get the best out of the cattle he has. Can we say that he has this season?

 

[Azul]

I'm a big fan of Mick but if he goes down the 'quick fix' route, I'll be seriously ticked off. Getting Higgins means that we play finals at the bottom end of the 8. Do the rebuild properly and assemble a squad that will be better than an 8th placed side.

I'm puzzled as to how getting 1 player out of a list of 38, constitutes a 'quick fix' any more than acquiring Andrejs Everitt who has stepped up from day 1 as best 22.

Clearly you don't rate Higgins; others do.

we're not talking the 'quick fix' dark days of Martyn, Ackland, Bowyer, Harford, Mclaren, Clarke, Johnson, Morrell, Angwin, Chambers, Longmuir and countless other retreads.