Training Training Thread 2023

[TheBigHorne]

People's expectations for this year seem to be unreasonably high simply based on the fact that we have a 4x premiership coach. I'm positive he'll take us to a GF, but it'll take time. I just don't want to see players in positions where they look lost or out of their depth and the team suffers as a result, that's really all there is to this

Shut up we're winning the next 238 flags

 

[astrovic]

Jack went forward as we needed to get a better mix in defence. This year we add him back and boy do we look slow. His possessions are largely meaningless , and to be fair so are McKay's. Why? Because they don't provide positive attacking worth and we have lacked HB attack for a while.

Also someone said he was great at organising the backline, he can point for sure but that defence has been out of sorts for years. If the likes of LMAC and BMAC and new guys like Logue can't provide leadership, we will be on the bottom for a very long time.

I have a clear recollection of Noble saying the reason why Jack went forward was to bolster the forward line, not remove him from defence. Hell the defence only got worse after he left so if that was the intention, it didn't work.

His disposals were not meaningless because his role in the backline was to exit the ball from defence. Him and Hall (at that time). It's why he averaged career high disposals in 2021 - high disposals means he is doing his job. It also means that the ball is coming inside our defensive 50 far too often, but that's on the forwards and mids. Point being that if the ball is inside D50 stacks of times and JZ's disposals aren't high, then he's not doing his job. They were high. I'd prefer that they were lower because that means less inside 50's for the opposition but...we sucked hard so yeah that wasn't happening.

The defence being out of sorts is symbiotic - if the opposition gets tonnes of easy ball inside forward 50 (which is a breakdown further up field more often than not) then of course the defence is going to crumble under the weight of numbers. Despite the cricket scores oppositions put up against us last year, I never really thought the defence was the problem. They were given the unwinnable challenge. That's not to say that we didn't need to upgrade our defensive personnel, but rather to say you could put a backline with Martyn, Archer, Dench, blah blah blah in it and with the way the ball was coming in, it wouldn't have made a lick of difference.

But as I said, I was responding to the perception from the first 3 rounds of JZ playing in defence. I never thought it was fair or right.

As for this season? I don't know whether sending JZ back there will be good or bad. I don't know if he is as cooked as he looked while getting frostbite on the half forward flank. At this stage I don't think that will be the issue - if Clarko gets us playing to a better system, one that doesn't see oppositions waltzing the ball from half back to half forward with the ridiculous ease of the last couple of years, then the defence as a whole will look markedly better, JZ will have little difficulty doing what he does best which is plonk himself in the hot spots and take uncontested intercept marks, and his slowness will be of little concern. But if oppo's are still having a field day doing what they want, then yeah we'll all grimace in pain watching Jack try to chase tail around as is opponent is given acres of space to work him. And I agree, I don't value the leadership angle all that much

 

[danj]

As long as that not calmness doesn't devolve into rage and fury at the first thrashing we receive this year

Not calm but also not delusional, I’m already blaming the umpires

 

[r00boy96]

Is there a practice match on next week?

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

I have a clear recollection of Noble saying the reason why Jack went forward was to bolster the forward line, not remove him from defence. Hell the defence only got worse after he left so if that was the intention, it didn't work.

His disposals were not meaningless because his role in the backline was to exit the ball from defence. Him and Hall (at that time). It's why he averaged career high disposals in 2021 - high disposals means he is doing his job. It also means that the ball is coming inside our defensive 50 far too often, but that's on the forwards and mids. Point being that if the ball is inside D50 stacks of times and JZ's disposals aren't high, then he's not doing his job. They were high. I'd prefer that they were lower because that means less inside 50's for the opposition but...we sucked hard so yeah that wasn't happening.

The defence being out of sorts is symbiotic - if the opposition gets tonnes of easy ball inside forward 50 (which is a breakdown further up field more often than not) then of course the defence is going to crumble under the weight of numbers. Despite the cricket scores oppositions put up against us last year, I never really thought the defence was the problem. They were given the unwinnable challenge. That's not to say that we didn't need to upgrade our defensive personnel, but rather to say you could put a backline with Martyn, Archer, Dench, blah blah blah in it and with the way the ball was coming in, it wouldn't have made a lick of difference.

But as I said, I was responding to the perception from the first 3 rounds of JZ playing in defence. I never thought it was fair or right.

As for this season? I don't know whether sending JZ back there will be good or bad. I don't know if he is as cooked as he looked while getting frostbite on the half forward flank. At this stage I don't think that will be the issue - if Clarko gets us playing to a better system, one that doesn't see oppositions waltzing the ball from half back to half forward with the ridiculous ease of the last couple of years, then the defence as a whole will look markedly better, JZ will have little difficulty doing what he does best which is plonk himself in the hot spots and take uncontested intercept marks, and his slowness will be of little concern. But if oppo's are still having a field day doing what they want, then yeah we'll all grimace in pain watching Jack try to chase tail around as is opponent is given acres of space to work him. And I agree, I don't value the leadership angle all that much

The metrics used to assess effective half backs are usually:

• disposals
• intercept marks
• metres gained
• disposal efficiency

I think he may have been considered elite or close to it for all of these. It is why some commentators had him statistically as the bench AA defender. Our 2021 was pox. Ziebell was far from it.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I really hope Blake Drury can become our Jayden Short. Booming kick out of the back half.

 

[Mjs94]

The metrics used to assess effective half backs are usually:

• disposals
• intercept marks
• metres gained
• disposal efficiency

I think he may have been considered elite or close to it for all of these. It is why some commentators had him statistically as the bench AA defender. Our 2021 was pox. Ziebell was far from it.

An indictment on how we generally assess players that none of those metrics actually relate to defending (you could argue intercept marks do but I don't think they should unless it's a contested 1 on 1 intercept against your direct opponent)

 

[My Left Foote]

Is there a practice match on next week?

Intraclub is on at 10.00am Saturday 18th as part of Fan Day.

 

[r00boy96]

Intraclub is on at 10.00am Saturday 18th as part of Fan Day.

Fml working but thanks for the info!

 

[giantroo]

From GL again

Track Watch 10/2/23
Focused Friday.
After the big hit out on Wednesday today was all about refining game play details.

Starting off was a drill with players grouped handballing to each other then a feed out handball to a coach out the back who then kicks long into the forward line, a forward/defender knocks the ball down. The group in the meantime have streamed forward towards the contest and either crumbed for a goal opportunity or defenders run it out. Excellent skills work to hopefully see a better outcome from fast kicks inside 50 during the season.

Other drills were ruck patterns.
Kicking out of defence to a pack.
This was interesting as there appears to be a "Clarko's Cluster" going on where 3 or 4 players cluster together around 50 with their defenders (so a pack of 8 or so players) but with some good emphasis on blocking and fast breakaways from the cluster. This fast breakaway seems to be in two directions giving the player kicking to the pack some options.

Also there was the ongoing drill of a player running into space behind a contest and the ball being kicked over the top of the contest to the player running free. This looks to like it will be a regular ploy during the season to help break up structures.

Wardlaw looking strong in rehab group and showing no signs of the ankle issue.
George working hard on the sidelines was good to see.
Still no Comben.

That's about it. The boys finished early at around 10:30 as the sun had some real kick in it.

Not the most interesting of pics today. Short session, not many exciting drills

 

[giantroo]

Good to see Corr out there as well, on track for round 1.

 

[r00boy96]

Brayden George is an 18yo built like a 25yo, I really wish he was up for selection this year

 

[the big lebowski]

Good to see Corr out there as well, on track for round 1.

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Thanks GR

What are you hearing re the WarLord?

Was this what we were anticipating prior to drafting him? Or is this “lengthening his hamstrings” a different approach to what we were expecting?

What are the clubs views on when he might be ready to play vfl?

 

[Psicosis]

Corr being available is great news.

Not for all our mock best 22s though. If we are fit, a couple of our talented kids are going to miss IMO. Not the worst thing tbh, for too long our early picked first-fifth year players have been walk up starts regardless of form.

 

[shintemaster]

I have a clear recollection of Noble saying the reason why Jack went forward was to bolster the forward line, not remove him from defence. Hell the defence only got worse after he left so if that was the intention, it didn't work.

Noble said a lot of things. I have complete faith that Clarko and his right hand people will find a relatively graceful way to deal with this situation by end of 2023.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Corr being available is great news.

Not for all our mock best 22s though. If we are fit, a couple of our talented kids are going to miss IMO. Not the worst thing tbh, for too long our early picked first-fifth year players have been walk up starts regardless of form.

Does it make sense to play both JZ and Corr in the scenario that both are fit?
(assuming Bmac, Lmac and Logue are all locks)
Surely Clarko's Whirlpool requires a couple defenders who possess elite kicking talent.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Does it make sense to play both JZ and Corr in the scenario that both are fit?
(assuming Bmac, Lmac and Logue are all locks)
Surely Clarko's Whirlpool requires a couple defenders who possess elite kicking talent.

Yeah it needs Perez and Goater (1 probably starting on the bench)

LDU knows who our starting hbf’s should be

 

[zoomba23]

Corr being available is great news.

Not for all our mock best 22s though. If we are fit, a couple of our talented kids are going to miss IMO. Not the worst thing tbh, for too long our early picked first-fifth year players have been walk up starts regardless of form.

We'll have enormous competition for spots this year. Can very easily envision that competition accelerating the development of several blokes. Will make us a better team

 

[marklovesbeer]

We did it!

 

[giantroo]

Thanks GR

What are you hearing re the WarLord?

Was this what we were anticipating prior to drafting him? Or is this “lengthening his hamstrings” a different approach to what we were expecting?

What are the clubs views on when he might be ready to play vfl?

Rolled ankle is ok now, He ramped up his training today. Completed sprints today and the comment made was it was the 'quickest they've seen him run since he got there'

So hopefully not too far away.

 

[the big lebowski]

Rolled ankle is ok now, He ramped up his training today. Completed sprints today and the comment made was it was the 'quickest they've seen him run since he got there'

So hopefully not too far away.

Now that’s some good news

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

Great news if Corr is now in the main training group - he rounds out the 'big 3' in the defensive half with Logue and BMac. Allows us to be alot more flexible with the remaining 3 defensive spots and we have a number of players capable of filling those roles.

If Corr is able to play some match sim next week plus some part of the practise games against opposition sides then he comes straight in to Round 1.

A defensive 6 of

B. LMac BMac Corr
HB. Hall Logue Goater

is very experienced and capable.

JZ would then be the 7th defender from the bench for Round 1.

Archer, Perez and Young are 3 younger players that will be itching to take a spot in that backline so the pressure will be on JZ, Hall, Goater and LMac to play well.

 

[Sillygit]

Rolled ankle is ok now, He ramped up his training today. Completed sprints today and the comment made was it was the 'quickest they've seen him run since he got there'

So hopefully not too far away.

 

[Shermanator]

Great news if Corr is now in the main training group - he rounds out the 'big 3' in the defensive half with Logue and BMac. Allows us to be alot more flexible with the remaining 3 defensive spots and we have a number of players capable of filling those roles.

If Corr is able to play some match sim next week plus some part of the practise games against opposition sides then he comes straight in to Round 1.

A defensive 6 of

B. LMac BMac Corr
HB. Hall Logue Goater

is very experienced and capable.

JZ would then be the 7th defender from the bench for Round 1.

Archer, Perez and Young are 3 younger players that will be itching to take a spot in that backline so the pressure will be on JZ, Hall, Goater and LMac to play well.

Wouldnt be surprised if Dawson Creek and Megsy Drury get a look in too, especially the highlights and track reports about Drury’s skills and smarts..

 

[Jonnoo]

Brayden George is an 18yo built like a 25yo, I really wish he was up for selection this year

Two first rounders and Brayden in for 2024, nice