Roast Tyson Stengle sacked after ****ing up again

[hippyhippy]

We probably would’ve won 3 or 4 more games this year with a half decent small forward on the list..

instead we had McHenry, Rowe and Murphy.. go and look up how many goals those three kicked between them this year and see how that worked out for us!..

Stengle would not be any better under our system... he had like a few years here already and went no where... he would have been delisted as we would be playing those 3 ahead of him

So no.. even If he were in our team.. we would not be winning extra games

 

[ABAB]

The "discussions" would have been us trying to avoid paying him any salary after sacking him only to discover we have to pay him every cent of his contract to play at a SANFL club, before we gift him to Geelong for free where he instantly becomes All Australian and a premiership player

We didn't gift him to Geelong for free. He played with the Eagle in the SANFL for a year, won the premiership and worked his arse off for the right to be drafted into the AFL system again. Hell, we even had the right to recruit him again with the other 17 clubs.

 

[Scorpus]

We didn't gift him to Geelong for free. He played with the Eagle in the SANFL for a year, won the premiership and worked his arse off for the right to be drafted into the AFL system again. Hell, we even had the right to recruit him again with the other 17 clubs.

Remind me, who did we trade in or draft from the currency we got for Stengle?

 

[ABAB]

Remind me, who did we trade in or draft from the currency we got for Stengle?

Remind me, when was he contracted with us let alone on our list before Geelong drafted him? Like any other unlisted AFL player, he played in a lesser competition and put his name for the AFL draft at end of the year so any of the 18 AFL clubs can recruit him.

 

[Sanders]

Can't follow it bruh or getting too old???? It's just basic logic and football knowledge.

You inventing any old garbage is just spam

 

[Sanders]

Remind me, when was he contracted to us before Geelong drafted him? Like any other unlisted AFL player, he played in a lesser competition and put his name for the AFL draft at end of the year so any of the 18 AFL clubs can recruit him.

We paid out his contract, and then gifted him to anyone who wanted him

A well run club took him

 

[Croweater23]

The "discussions" would have been us trying to avoid paying him any salary after sacking him only to discover we have to pay him every cent of his contract to play at a SANFL club, before we gift him to Geelong for free where he instantly becomes All Australian and a premiership player

right, so it was a crystal ball discussion?

 

[Croweater23]

People just don’t realise, a club like Geelong - with an aged/experienced list and established culture - could afford to role the dice on Stengle. It was a low risk high reward play that paid dividends. He was the most consistent small forward all year, AA, premiership forward, but in most other teams even in 2022 he fails.

That doesn’t make the Crows decision wrong. When he was let go, we were a shambles on and off the park and Nicks’ #1 mandate was to rebuild the culture. It’s not easy to do that with bad apples, of which Stengle was one. Multiple incidents and breaking club protocol when theyre trying to set boundaries for a young and upcoming group - drink driving, caught by police with coke, photographed with coke.

If we hadn’t messed up Eddie’s departure and he was still at the club, perhaps a different story.

Problem was bigger than Tyson and unfortunately our culture and leadership at the time wasn’t mature enough to guide us and him through the rough trot. With where we were at, it was probably the right call. For everyone.

 

[ABAB]

People just don’t realise, a club like Geelong - with an aged/experienced list and established culture - could afford to role the dice on Stengle. It was a low risk high reward play that paid dividends. He was the most consistent small forward all year, AA, premiership forward, but in most other teams even in 2022 he fails.

That doesn’t make the Crows decision wrong. When he was let go, we were a shambles on and off the park and Nicks’ #1 mandate was to rebuild the culture. It’s not easy to do that with bad apples, of which Stengle was one. Multiple incidents and breaking club protocol when theyre trying to set boundaries for a young and upcoming group - drink driving, caught by police with coke, photographed with coke.

If we hadn’t messed up Eddie’s departure and he was still at the club, perhaps a different story.

Problem was bigger than Tyson and unfortunately our culture and leadership at the time wasn’t mature enough to guide us and him through the rough trot. With where we were at, it was probably the right call. For everyone.

A lot of posters like to think they are right and will stand by it despite their sh*t take, you just need to read the Fogarty thread lol. I'm not sure how they can about this topic as clearly this was the correct logical decision. He was a fringe player when we let him go FFS, if he was Rankine he would have been given even more chances and sent him to drug rehab after his 3rd indiscretion.

 

[VKCrow]

i’m not sure why people say this as if its some sort of glowing endorsement of our club…

Basically its exa tly like saying

“Our club is too s**t to get the best out of its young players so they need to go elsewhere, to a club that can, to do so!”..

How is that in anyway a positive?..

That’s exactly what I’m saying. Cats have a great program apparently- and the proof is in the pudding

 

[Sanders]

A lot of posters like to think they are right and will stand by it despite their sh*t take, you just need to read the Fogarty thread lol. I'm not sure how they can about this topic as clearly this was the correct logical decision. He was a fringe player when we let him go FFS, if he was Rankine he would have been given even more chances and sent him to drug rehab after his 3rd indiscretion.

You were wrong about fogarty too, so presumably you’re hoping people don’t actually look at that thread

 

[screech]

I think it may just be a case of being released by the Crows may been the kick up the arse that he needed. Made him realise he needed to work for it and talent alone was not enough.

I accept that perhaps the club could have done things differently to achieve the same result (better mentoring, support, etc), but at the end of the day a troubled young man who could have gone completely off the rails has instead found his way and achieved - it is a great story.

Hopefully the benefit for the Crows is it will encourage them to look at how they can do things better next time, and they learn from it.

 

[Sanders]

People just don’t realise, a club like Geelong - with an aged/experienced list and established culture - could afford to role the dice on Stengle. It was a low risk high reward play that paid dividends. He was the most consistent small forward all year, AA, premiership forward, but in most other teams even in 2022 he fails.

That’s really easy to say, and it’s the sort of empty rationalisation that bad teams make regularly.

It sounds good, but there isn’t actually any basis at all for what it is claimed.

That doesn’t make the Crows decision wrong. When he was let go, we were a shambles on and off the park and Nicks’ #1 mandate was to rebuild the culture. It’s not easy to do that with bad apples, of which Stengle was one. Multiple incidents and breaking club protocol when theyre trying to set boundaries for a young and upcoming group - drink driving, caught by police with coke, photographed with coke.

Bad apples? Again, the problem with this loose and flamboyant language is that there is zero substance (boom tish) behind it.

It’s just rationalisation.

If we hadn’t messed up Eddie’s departure and he was still at the club, perhaps a different story.

Problem was bigger than Tyson and unfortunately our culture and leadership at the time wasn’t mature enough to guide us and him through the rough trot. With where we were at, it was probably the right call. For everyone.

so what you’re concluding is that we did everything right? Because that’s what you want to believe

The proof is in the pudding, and that proof does not suggest we made the right decisions, in the right way or even for the right reasons.

In essence, what you’re arguing is the “ahh but it’s different…” gambit

It’s not different

 

[Southerntakeover]

Tbh honest. When you heard of his last indiscretion, what did you think?
I thought geez that’s about done.

I thought "who ****ing cares". Which I still think.

You wrong about fogarty too, so presumably you’re hoping people don’t actually look at that thread

There's living in an alternative reality, and there's thinking you can channel Darcy Fogarty coming good to own me. My god. Nowhere in the multiverse do I have to sit and be lectured by club simps who fell over themselves to pour shit on the kid to defend the club's abysmal handling of his formative years.

 

[Sanders]

I think it may just be a case of being released by the Crows may been the kick up the arse that he needed. Made him realise he needed to work for it and talent alone was not enough.

I accept that perhaps the club could have done things differently to achieve the same result (better mentoring, support, etc), but at the end of the day a troubled young man who could have gone completely off the rails has instead found his way and achieved - it is a great story.

Hopefully the benefit for the Crows is it will encourage them to look at how they can do things better next time, and they learn from it.

Question: what basis is there for assuming he’s made any changes to his lifestyle or work habits?

Sure, he’s performing better but we don’t know either way whether anything has changed.

A few noses beers is a lot better for his body than pumping it full of beer. His alleged habits and lifestyle aren’t necessarily a hinderance to his performance

What I am saying is that there isn’t a reliable through line between saying he’s playing better, and he’s given up his naughty habits.

Many, many players have and will continue to have bad habits and still perform exceptionally

There is as much evidence that Geelong stopped babying and overreacting to non-events as there is that he has turned over a new leaf I.e. none

 

[Red mist]

His settlement of his crows contract

We probably would’ve won 3 or 4 more games this year with a half decent small forward on the list..

instead we had McHenry, Rowe and Murphy.. go and look up how many goals those three kicked between them this year and see how that worked out for us!..

meh. You deal with the problem at the time,
As it turns, the time was benefitial for the guy. Decent payout, 12 months in SANFL, good to go.
We got totally, supremely played.

 

[Red mist]

I thought "who ******* cares". Which I still think.


There's living in an alternative reality, and there's thinking you can channel Darcy Fogarty coming good to own me. My god. Nowhere in the multiverse do I have to sit and be lectured by club simps who fell over themselves to pour s**t on the kid to defend the club's abysmal handling of his formative years.

ok cool.

 

[Red mist]

Question: what basis is there for assuming he’s made any changes to his lifestyle or work habits?

Sure, he’s performing better but we don’t know either way whether anything has changed.

A few noses beers is a lot better for his body than pumping it full of beer. His alleged habits and lifestyle aren’t necessarily a hinderance to his performance

What I am saying is that there isn’t a reliable through line between saying he’s playing better, and he’s given up his naughty habits.

Many, many players have and will continue to have bad habits and still perform exceptionally

There is as much evidence that Geelong stopped babying and overreacting to non-events as there is that he has turned over a new leaf I.e. none

Oh ,so that’s where the AFLPA went. X

 

[CutAboveTheRest]

We probably would’ve won 3 or 4 more games this year with a half decent small forward on the list..

instead we had McHenry, Rowe and Murphy.. go and look up how many goals those three kicked between them this year and see how that worked out for us!..

Sad time to be a supporter when those 3 are your go to small forwards.. Makes me vomit.

 

[John Who]

Well done to Stengle for doing a complete turn around! Lesson here for everyone is that people can change for the better. Obviously kudos to him for putting in the hard yards.

This is what I wrote 13 months ago:

We’ve seen Rowe and Murphy get their 2-3 goals in some games, but I think there are deficiencies in their game to be able to do it consistently like Betts/Cameron. Which is why I was disappointed with Stengle’s delisting, as he was tracking to be our clear best small forward and would likely improve in an AFL environment had he continued with us.

I was definitely one who was disappointed to see Stengle leave us, but could also see the reasons behind his departure. I think the summary is something close to this:
Stengle messed around several times in a year (2020) where we wanted to start build a positive culture in a young team. Also we were likely sick of all the negative media attention, and Stengle was a risk for the club of gaining more negative press. His departure was never really about his lack of skills or potential.

 

[Sanders]

Well done to Stengle for doing a complete turn around! Lesson here for everyone is that people can change for the better. Obviously kudos to him for putting in the hard yards.

What change? What turn around?

 

[John Who]

I thought "who ******* cares". Which I still think.


There's living in an alternative reality, and there's thinking you can channel Darcy Fogarty coming good to own me. My god. Nowhere in the multiverse do I have to sit and be lectured by club simps who fell over themselves to pour s**t on the kid to defend the club's abysmal handling of his formative years.

So you think nobody cares that AFL players take drugs, being caught with drugs, while at an elite level?
Not the media, fans nor AFL governing bodies? What kind of reality are you talking about?

 

[Southerntakeover]

What change? What turn around?

He stopped being at a crappy club is a pretty big turn around in fortune I suppose.

 

[John Who]

What change? What turn around?

The change is he’s mellowed out on the drugs + being caught. Focusing more on his AFL games. Pretty damn obvious to see the difference between his 2020 year and 2022 with the Cats.

 

[ABAB]

I thought "who ******* cares". Which I still think.


There's living in an alternative reality, and there's thinking you can channel Darcy Fogarty coming good to own me. My god. Nowhere in the multiverse do I have to sit and be lectured by club simps who fell over themselves to pour s**t on the kid to defend the club's abysmal handling of his formative years.

There hasn't been any lecturing, facts been posted and you haven't refute any of them. Nothing.