UDRS and future statistics

[Parquet Court]

just a thought with the now fairly worldwide use of the UDRS and batting and bowling performances in the future.

will we see a changing bowling and batting averages in either direction?

michael hussey springs to mind here, he was out about 3 times but referred them and got away with a hundred, 5 years ago he would have been out the first time he was dismissed. Alistair cook is another example, couple or reprieves and he gets 190

the same could be said for bowlers...or will everything equal out in the long run? Thoughts?

 

[alfy!]

Could be argued the other way too, bowlers used to miss out on LBW's and caught behinds, but can not review them and get the wicket.

 

[skipper kelly]

It will even out. Still hate it though.

 

[outabounds]

Yeh mentioned this on another thread. In my opinion, the system favours the batsmen. Cook is being compared to Hobbs, Sutcliffe etc. when without the system he may have only made half the runs. Those guys didn't have that luxury.

 

[Parquet Court]

almost needs to be a little asterix in my opinion, a chanceless 100 could be a rare occurence from now on.

 

[Lazarus]

Yeh mentioned this on another thread. In my opinion, the system favours the batsmen. Cook is being compared to Hobbs, Sutcliffe etc. when without the system he may have only made half the runs. Those guys didn't have that luxury.

The umpire generally gives the benefit of the doubt to the batsman too

 

[JimDocker]

Almost every innovation or change over the years have favoured the batsmen. Can you imagine any of the batsmen from this series facing quality bowling on a sticky wicket?

Also, can you imagine any batsman nowadays not wearing a helmet?

At the risk of sounding like an old fart, modern batsmen have inflated averages compared to batsmen that dealt with more problems in previous years.

I have always thought that Kim Hughes should have an asterix next to his name and average to show that his last 9 test matches were all against the West Indies and that 37.41 does not reflect how good he was.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Goes both ways. Had the review system been in place in the past Justin Langer would likely never have made a Test century.

 

[Marstermind]

So what symbol do we put on for players who played on uncovered pitches? Or used bats no thicker than my back fence? Or bowlers whose back foot dragged so far he bowled it half way down the track?

The game is nothing like it was ten years ago and ten years ago it was nothing like it was ten years before that and so on and so on.

And my initial questions were not rhetorical...in order I'd go with #, @ and ^

 

[Lazarus]

Goes both ways. Had the review system been in place in the past Justin Langer would likely never have made a Test century.

Harsh.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Harsh.

Haha yes, does look a bit harsh reading it back!

What I was getting at was that on the day Langer made his first ton, before he had scored he survived an appeal for LBW which looked very.... adjacent. Had that decision been reviewed and given out it would have been Langer's last innings for Australia. Instead he got a hundred, kept his spot in the team, and the rest is history...

(Incidentally, another Australian batsman got a significant score in that same innings)

 

[XFactor1979]

probably didnt make any difference to england scoring 123 in the second innings in perth

also an inferior team like bangladesh or new zealand wouldnt be helped by the referral system

anyway why are we discussing this issue on this thread? go back to the main test match thread folks!

 

[Parquet Court]

Haha yes, does look a bit harsh reading it back!

What I was getting at was that on the day Langer made his first ton, before he had scored he survived an appeal for LBW which looked very.... adjacent. Had that decision been reviewed and given out it would have been Langer's last innings for Australia. Instead he got a hundred, kept his spot in the team, and the rest is history...

(Incidentally, another Australian batsman got a significant score in that same innings)

was that the one in 2006 where he got hit flush below the knee roll? this is exactly the thoughts about the UDRS, can turn noughts into big not out tons

 

[Illinois Nazi]

was that the one in 2006 where he got hit flush below the knee roll? this is exactly the thoughts about the UDRS, can turn noughts into big not out tons

No, much further back than that. Langer's first Test century, whatever year that was.

But what I'm saying is the opposite - the UDRS on that occasion would have turned a ton into a nought and ended Langer's career with an average in the 30's somewhere.

 

[Lazarus]

Nah I think I found it...Mark Taylor 334no
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63811.html

 

[Ill Chicken]

He globed up in the game before LBW as well. From memory, it was apparently exactly the same.

India are again against the UDRS being involved in their tour of England. I feel the respected boards need to stand behind their decision to allow the UDRS and that if India wishes to tour it shouldn't stand in the way of it. The easiest option would be to get Bucknor back involved.

 

[whats_at_stake]

He globed up in the game before LBW as well. From memory, it was apparently exactly the same.

India are again against the UDRS being involved in their tour of England. I feel the respected boards need to stand behind their decision to allow the UDRS and that if India wishes to tour it shouldn't stand in the way of it. The easiest option would be to get Bucknor back involved.

I think the ICC either need to force it (like they did with the World Cup) or compromise and say it will be used for all decision except for LBW's which I think India's main concern is around.

Ridiculous stance by India though.

 

[Cousin Jed]

Why would you not use it for LBW? That is the exact reason to use it!

 

[whats_at_stake]

Why would you not use it for LBW? That is the exact reason to use it!

Issues surrounding the ball tracking technology and its accuracy.

 

[Phone]

I think the ICC either need to force it (like they did with the World Cup) or compromise and say it will be used for all decision except for LBW's which I think India's main concern is around.

Ridiculous stance by India though.

The ICC could force it because it was an ICC event. A test match between two sides they can't force it (Unless once again it's an ICC event ala the World XI test). All they can do is at the next meeting with all the boards table a motion making it compulsory for all test matches, which of course will need the support of the boards. iirc it'll need 7 Yes' so if India dig their heels in they can probably rely on Zimbabwe (yes they can vote...) and just need one other.

 

[Belnakor]

Issues surrounding the ball tracking technology and its accuracy.

hot spot is the dodgy one. The laws of physics don't lie, hawkeye is 99.9999% effective.

 

[Jolldo87]

The problem is usually the 3rds umpires rather than the technology. They need to be consistent and get rid of the dodgy ones that either cheat or are the worst umpires ever.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Its nice to have the technology so no one gets cheated. Bowlers and batsmen have had many decisions overturned correctly .In the past you used to watch tests that were decided by bad umpiring .

In the last ashes probably only one call was wrong ,with Bell getting a reprieve because snickometer wasnt instantly available .

 

[Jolldo87]

Its nice to have the technology so no one gets cheated. Bowlers and batsmen have had many decisions overturned correctly .In the past you used to watch tests that were decided by bad umpiring .

In the last ashes probably only one call was wrong ,with Bell getting a reprieve because snickometer wasnt instantly available .

That was because the third umpire was incompetent and didn't correctly apply the laws. There was no conclusive evidence to suggest he was not out therefore he should have been given out.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Just seen a similar decision to what happened to Bell here in this test.
Anderson appeals ,doesnt get the call..
hot spot shows nothing ,but snicko says edge .