Roast Umpires thread

[JAKLAUGHING]

Generally up their backsides..

 

[tigerdan]

You cannot account for home teams consistently getting all the frees unless it is the umpires being soft *****.

There is absolutely no other ****ing reason.

It would be nice of the AFL and umpiring fraternity to address the issue and get the umps to HTFU rather than try to weasel out of it again. It's been happening for decades. ****ing hell, they teach cops how to be assertive, how hard could it be to teach the umpires to grow a pair?

 

[Tiges1229]

I can't remember the last time w were looked after like that on the G, so saying it happens everywhere is bullshit

it happens in Geelong, Adelaide, Perth and wherever Richmond is playing as the table shows we are DEAD LAST for frees

I've been to every game at G this year and no way we get looked after the media talking through there arses again .

 

[Punt rd end]

 

[Makeshft_Mauler]

I've been to every game at G this year and no way we get looked after the media talking through there arses again .

Its almost like playing in front of a capacity crowd thats 90% your own supporters may have some influence........

 

[Groupie_]

Its almost like playing in front of a capacity crowd thats 90% your own supporters may have some influence........

norf final 2015 was like 90% rfc fans

remember the game ending non call on Cunnington holding the ball and then it goes back the other way and goal

that was a momentum changer we would have hit the front

 

[smasha]

norf final 2015 was like 90% rfc fans

remember the game ending non call on Cunnington holding the ball and then it goes back the other way and goal

that was a momentum changer we would have hit the front

We are the only team in World Sport that gets reamed by the officials on our home ground.

 

[Sir_Loin]

norf final 2015 was like 90% rfc fans

remember the game ending non call on Cunnington holding the ball and then it goes back the other way and goal

that was a momentum changer we would have hit the front

It was the side of the ground I was sitting on. Even the #lolnorf players thought it was a free. Voiced my displeasure at the time

 

[Sir_Loin]

I've been to every game at G this year and no way we get looked after the media talking through there arses again .

Just have to look at the free kick differential to see that's complete bollocks

 

[fleabitten]

Free kick differential for our games on our home ground:

v Carlton -13
v Collingwood -4
v West Coast -5
v Melbourne +2
v Fremantle -1
v Essendon +3
v Sydney +5
v Carlton +2
v GWS -8
v Hawthorn -2

For an overall win/loss record of 4 and 6 and a total margin of -21 (-2.1 per game). Not seeing the advantage.

 

[Spagman]

Someone mentioned, not sure if it was here or on another board..as soon as one team is getting beaten they start getting the rub of the green.

If this country had any decent sports journalists and not a bunch of boys club, **** sucking ferrets afraid of losing their accreditation we might get some decent write ups and stats on those sorts of things.

 

[fleabitten]

Free kick differential for our games on our home ground:

v Carlton -13
v Collingwood -4
v West Coast -5
v Melbourne +2
v Fremantle -1
v Essendon +3
v Sydney +5
v Carlton +2
v GWS -8
v Hawthorn -2

For an overall win/loss record of 4 and 6 and a total margin of -21 (-2.1 per game). Not seeing the advantage.

For interests sake, the games at other venues:

Docklands
v Dogs -12
v North +3
v St Kilda -3
v Brisbane -5

1-3 record with an average margin of -4.25

Interstate/Geelong
v Brisbane -8
v Adelaide -6
v GWS +1
v Port -6
v Gold Coast -6
v Geelong -11

1-5 record with an average margin of -6

 

[Groupie_]

wheres our explanation ?

 

[MattWriting]

Was Richmond really hard done by with free kicks against Geelong at Simonds Stadium?

CHRIS VERNUCCIO, Herald Sun

RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick chose his words carefully when asked about the impact the Geelong crowd had in his team’s loss at Simonds Stadium.

The Tigers were on the wrong end of a lopsided 28-17 free kick count last Saturday, which Hardwick pointed out after the game.

“Absolutely ... the home crowd gets behind them. Have a look at the free kick count.”

“It is what it is. What I will say is you’ve got a significant home ground advantage.”

While there was no reference to umpires or umpiring decisions, the inference was the vocal Geelong crowd swayed the men in lime green.

But after the emotion subsides, which it should have by now, Hardwick will be fully aware the discrepancy in the free kick tally had little to do with the “the noise of affirmation”.

A Herald Sun review of the match noted clear decisions that went against the Tigers, some of which were influenced by the crowd, but the Cats also on the wrong end of umpiring errors.

But what was apparently obvious was how much more effective the Cats were with their tackles, which Champion Data stats support.

Geelong laid 72 tackles from 105 attempts, an efficiency of 69 per cent, and missed just six tackles.

Richmond had 147 tackling attempts, effecting 84 tackles — 12 more than the Cats — but its efficiency was 57 per cent and the Tigers missed 13 tackles.

The Tigers weren’t able to make them stick as well as the Cats, and allowed their opponents to get a disposal away.

That was the biggest factor in the result.

Richmond star Dustin Martin tries to break a Jed Bews tackle. Picture: Michael Klein

Richmond still won its share of holding the ball decisions — seven to Geelong’s 11.

However, when it comes to tackling Geelong is clearly the No.1 team in the competition with an efficiency of 71.1 per cent — the only club about 70 per cent.

The next best is the Western Bulldogs at 68.8 per cent. Richmond’s efficiency is 64.9 per cent, ranked 14th.

The Cats also win the most holding the ball free kicks — 5.7 a game. Sydney is behind them with 5.2.

Here are some of the key moments from Saturday’s game at the Cattery:

FIRST QUARTER

18min44sec: Kane Lambert tackles Cats defender Andrew Mackie from behind, crowd wants a push back but the umpire correctly awards a holding the ball free to the Tigers. The end result is the game’s opening goal to Josh Caddy.

16:26: Tigers ruckman Ivan Soldo gets lucky when he’s tackled by Sam Menengola and drops the ball as Cats fans cry “baaaaall”, but the umpire waves play on.

13:59: Geelong tall Rhys Stanley denied a shot at goal despite David Astbury not having his eyes on the ball and making contact with his face attempting to spoil. Daniel Menzel picks up the loose ball and snaps the Cats’ first score — a behind.

11:45: Stanley gets a square-up free as Astbury hangs on to him, and boots Geelong’s first goal.

8:14: Mackie gets away with an obvious deliberate rushed behind after handballing to Lachie Henderson, who was already behind the goal line. The Tigers cheer squad behind the goals is ropeable.

SECOND QUARTER

19:14: The Tigers again start a quarter with the first goal from a free kick after Geelong defender Zach Tuohy was deemed to have thrown the ball in a Dan Butler tackle.

13:40: Geelong’s midfield press is forcing the Tigers to overhandball. Shane Edwards breaks a tackle and handballs to Daniel Rioli who tries to sell the dummy but is nabbed by Menengola.

7:22: Martin nudges Jordan Murdoch under the ball inside Richmond’s forward 50, there’s a murmur from the crowd but the umps aren’t interested.

5:45: Sam Simpson gets the benefit of the doubt after a dubious disposal when tackled by Nathan Broad.

5:38: Broad puts his head down between two Geelong players to win the ball and is taken high but doesn’t receive a free.

5:30: Mackie is all over Jack Riewoldt 10m from goal. Riewoldt is furious no free was paid. Crucial moment with the Tigers trailing 41-29.

4:37: Up the other end, Menzel is impeded by Brandon Ellis in a marking content. Menzel goal’s is effectively a 12-point turnaround.

3:57: The Tigers apply pressure at a centre bounce. Murdoch tries to spin out of trouble but is collared by Richmond captain Trent Cotchin. The ball spills but the umpire keeps the whistle away.

2:32: Grigg is under pressure in defence as he throws the ball onto his boot. It bounces between the 50m arc and the centre square and bounces another five times before going out of bounds. The vocal Geelong crowd scream for deliberate and get it. Harsh decision.

00:04: Menzel is dragged down Edwards, stopping a certain shot at goal on the siren, but seconds earlier Cotchin made high contact with the Cats forward.

THIRD QUARTER

16:16: Dangerfield marks on the 50 to crowd cheers, but is ruled to have pushed Dion Prestia in the back.

13:04: Jackson Thurlow is dumped after a strong tackle by McIntosh, and it’s questionable whether the Cat got a handball away.

10:35: Prestia is pounced on by Cam Guthrie and Selwood at a centre bounce. The crowd appeals for a free but the umpire correctly rules there was no prior opportunity.

8:06: Guthrie fumbles the ball before he’s tackled by Broad. He had prior opportunity and also didn’t dispose the ball correctly. Clear mistake.

6:02: Riewoldt is pushed by Tom Lonergan outside 50m and is the awarded the free. Delivers a pinpoint pass to Houli, who goals to cut the margin to 13 points.

2:00: Cats defender Jackson Thurlow is in the back pocket and under little pressure dribbles the ball towards the boundary line. Deliberate out of bounds paid.

FOURTH QUARTER

9:21: Rioli gathers the bouncing ball and is immediately seized by Selwood. The umpire waits before calling holding the ball. With the Cats 20 point up, the crowd is getting louder.

7:42: Selwood is tackled by Prestia as soon as he takes possession, in similar circumstances to the Rioli tackle previously. The only difference is Selwood had one armed pin and lets the ball spill out, but that’s incorrect disposal

 

[SumTingWong]

Was Richmond really hard done by with free kicks against Geelong at Simonds Stadium?

CHRIS VERNUCCIO, Herald Sun

RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick chose his words carefully when asked about the impact the Geelong crowd had in his team’s loss at Simonds Stadium.

The Tigers were on the wrong end of a lopsided 28-17 free kick count last Saturday, which Hardwick pointed out after the game.

“Absolutely ... the home crowd gets behind them. Have a look at the free kick count.”

“It is what it is. What I will say is you’ve got a significant home ground advantage.”

While there was no reference to umpires or umpiring decisions, the inference was the vocal Geelong crowd swayed the men in lime green.

But after the emotion subsides, which it should have by now, Hardwick will be fully aware the discrepancy in the free kick tally had little to do with the “the noise of affirmation”.

A Herald Sun review of the match noted clear decisions that went against the Tigers, some of which were influenced by the crowd, but the Cats also on the wrong end of umpiring errors.

But what was apparently obvious was how much more effective the Cats were with their tackles, which Champion Data stats support.

Geelong laid 72 tackles from 105 attempts, an efficiency of 69 per cent, and missed just six tackles.

Richmond had 147 tackling attempts, effecting 84 tackles — 12 more than the Cats — but its efficiency was 57 per cent and the Tigers missed 13 tackles.

The Tigers weren’t able to make them stick as well as the Cats, and allowed their opponents to get a disposal away.

That was the biggest factor in the result.

Richmond star Dustin Martin tries to break a Jed Bews tackle. Picture: Michael Klein

Richmond still won its share of holding the ball decisions — seven to Geelong’s 11.

However, when it comes to tackling Geelong is clearly the No.1 team in the competition with an efficiency of 71.1 per cent — the only club about 70 per cent.

The next best is the Western Bulldogs at 68.8 per cent. Richmond’s efficiency is 64.9 per cent, ranked 14th.

The Cats also win the most holding the ball free kicks — 5.7 a game. Sydney is behind them with 5.2.

Here are some of the key moments from Saturday’s game at the Cattery:

FIRST QUARTER

18min44sec: Kane Lambert tackles Cats defender Andrew Mackie from behind, crowd wants a push back but the umpire correctly awards a holding the ball free to the Tigers. The end result is the game’s opening goal to Josh Caddy.

16:26: Tigers ruckman Ivan Soldo gets lucky when he’s tackled by Sam Menengola and drops the ball as Cats fans cry “baaaaall”, but the umpire waves play on.

13:59: Geelong tall Rhys Stanley denied a shot at goal despite David Astbury not having his eyes on the ball and making contact with his face attempting to spoil. Daniel Menzel picks up the loose ball and snaps the Cats’ first score — a behind.

11:45: Stanley gets a square-up free as Astbury hangs on to him, and boots Geelong’s first goal.

8:14: Mackie gets away with an obvious deliberate rushed behind after handballing to Lachie Henderson, who was already behind the goal line. The Tigers cheer squad behind the goals is ropeable.

SECOND QUARTER

19:14: The Tigers again start a quarter with the first goal from a free kick after Geelong defender Zach Tuohy was deemed to have thrown the ball in a Dan Butler tackle.

13:40: Geelong’s midfield press is forcing the Tigers to overhandball. Shane Edwards breaks a tackle and handballs to Daniel Rioli who tries to sell the dummy but is nabbed by Menengola.

7:22: Martin nudges Jordan Murdoch under the ball inside Richmond’s forward 50, there’s a murmur from the crowd but the umps aren’t interested.

5:45: Sam Simpson gets the benefit of the doubt after a dubious disposal when tackled by Nathan Broad.

5:38: Broad puts his head down between two Geelong players to win the ball and is taken high but doesn’t receive a free.

5:30: Mackie is all over Jack Riewoldt 10m from goal. Riewoldt is furious no free was paid. Crucial moment with the Tigers trailing 41-29.

4:37: Up the other end, Menzel is impeded by Brandon Ellis in a marking content. Menzel goal’s is effectively a 12-point turnaround.

3:57: The Tigers apply pressure at a centre bounce. Murdoch tries to spin out of trouble but is collared by Richmond captain Trent Cotchin. The ball spills but the umpire keeps the whistle away.

2:32: Grigg is under pressure in defence as he throws the ball onto his boot. It bounces between the 50m arc and the centre square and bounces another five times before going out of bounds. The vocal Geelong crowd scream for deliberate and get it. Harsh decision.

00:04: Menzel is dragged down Edwards, stopping a certain shot at goal on the siren, but seconds earlier Cotchin made high contact with the Cats forward.

THIRD QUARTER

16:16: Dangerfield marks on the 50 to crowd cheers, but is ruled to have pushed Dion Prestia in the back.

13:04: Jackson Thurlow is dumped after a strong tackle by McIntosh, and it’s questionable whether the Cat got a handball away.

10:35: Prestia is pounced on by Cam Guthrie and Selwood at a centre bounce. The crowd appeals for a free but the umpire correctly rules there was no prior opportunity.

8:06: Guthrie fumbles the ball before he’s tackled by Broad. He had prior opportunity and also didn’t dispose the ball correctly. Clear mistake.

6:02: Riewoldt is pushed by Tom Lonergan outside 50m and is the awarded the free. Delivers a pinpoint pass to Houli, who goals to cut the margin to 13 points.

2:00: Cats defender Jackson Thurlow is in the back pocket and under little pressure dribbles the ball towards the boundary line. Deliberate out of bounds paid.

FOURTH QUARTER

9:21: Rioli gathers the bouncing ball and is immediately seized by Selwood. The umpire waits before calling holding the ball. With the Cats 20 point up, the crowd is getting louder.

7:42: Selwood is tackled by Prestia as soon as he takes possession, in similar circumstances to the Rioli tackle previously. The only difference is Selwood had one armed pin and lets the ball spill out, but that’s incorrect disposal

And the throw that Dangerfield did in the last quarter when BEllis tackled him that was awarded as holding the man not to mention all the times Guthrie threw the ball. Get f***** Herald Sun and your b****** review!!

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Was Richmond really hard done by with free kicks against Geelong at Simonds Stadium?

CHRIS VERNUCCIO, Herald Sun

RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick chose his words carefully when asked about the impact the Geelong crowd had in his team’s loss at Simonds Stadium.

The Tigers were on the wrong end of a lopsided 28-17 free kick count last Saturday, which Hardwick pointed out after the game.

“Absolutely ... the home crowd gets behind them. Have a look at the free kick count.”

“It is what it is. What I will say is you’ve got a significant home ground advantage.”

While there was no reference to umpires or umpiring decisions, the inference was the vocal Geelong crowd swayed the men in lime green.

But after the emotion subsides, which it should have by now, Hardwick will be fully aware the discrepancy in the free kick tally had little to do with the “the noise of affirmation”.

A Herald Sun review of the match noted clear decisions that went against the Tigers, some of which were influenced by the crowd, but the Cats also on the wrong end of umpiring errors.

But what was apparently obvious was how much more effective the Cats were with their tackles, which Champion Data stats support.

Geelong laid 72 tackles from 105 attempts, an efficiency of 69 per cent, and missed just six tackles.

Richmond had 147 tackling attempts, effecting 84 tackles — 12 more than the Cats — but its efficiency was 57 per cent and the Tigers missed 13 tackles.

The Tigers weren’t able to make them stick as well as the Cats, and allowed their opponents to get a disposal away.

That was the biggest factor in the result.

Richmond star Dustin Martin tries to break a Jed Bews tackle. Picture: Michael Klein

Richmond still won its share of holding the ball decisions — seven to Geelong’s 11.

However, when it comes to tackling Geelong is clearly the No.1 team in the competition with an efficiency of 71.1 per cent — the only club about 70 per cent.

The next best is the Western Bulldogs at 68.8 per cent. Richmond’s efficiency is 64.9 per cent, ranked 14th.

The Cats also win the most holding the ball free kicks — 5.7 a game. Sydney is behind them with 5.2.

Here are some of the key moments from Saturday’s game at the Cattery:

FIRST QUARTER

18min44sec: Kane Lambert tackles Cats defender Andrew Mackie from behind, crowd wants a push back but the umpire correctly awards a holding the ball free to the Tigers. The end result is the game’s opening goal to Josh Caddy.

16:26: Tigers ruckman Ivan Soldo gets lucky when he’s tackled by Sam Menengola and drops the ball as Cats fans cry “baaaaall”, but the umpire waves play on.

13:59: Geelong tall Rhys Stanley denied a shot at goal despite David Astbury not having his eyes on the ball and making contact with his face attempting to spoil. Daniel Menzel picks up the loose ball and snaps the Cats’ first score — a behind.

11:45: Stanley gets a square-up free as Astbury hangs on to him, and boots Geelong’s first goal.

8:14: Mackie gets away with an obvious deliberate rushed behind after handballing to Lachie Henderson, who was already behind the goal line. The Tigers cheer squad behind the goals is ropeable.

SECOND QUARTER

19:14: The Tigers again start a quarter with the first goal from a free kick after Geelong defender Zach Tuohy was deemed to have thrown the ball in a Dan Butler tackle.

13:40: Geelong’s midfield press is forcing the Tigers to overhandball. Shane Edwards breaks a tackle and handballs to Daniel Rioli who tries to sell the dummy but is nabbed by Menengola.

7:22: Martin nudges Jordan Murdoch under the ball inside Richmond’s forward 50, there’s a murmur from the crowd but the umps aren’t interested.

5:45: Sam Simpson gets the benefit of the doubt after a dubious disposal when tackled by Nathan Broad.

5:38: Broad puts his head down between two Geelong players to win the ball and is taken high but doesn’t receive a free.

5:30: Mackie is all over Jack Riewoldt 10m from goal. Riewoldt is furious no free was paid. Crucial moment with the Tigers trailing 41-29.

4:37: Up the other end, Menzel is impeded by Brandon Ellis in a marking content. Menzel goal’s is effectively a 12-point turnaround.

3:57: The Tigers apply pressure at a centre bounce. Murdoch tries to spin out of trouble but is collared by Richmond captain Trent Cotchin. The ball spills but the umpire keeps the whistle away.

2:32: Grigg is under pressure in defence as he throws the ball onto his boot. It bounces between the 50m arc and the centre square and bounces another five times before going out of bounds. The vocal Geelong crowd scream for deliberate and get it. Harsh decision.

00:04: Menzel is dragged down Edwards, stopping a certain shot at goal on the siren, but seconds earlier Cotchin made high contact with the Cats forward.

THIRD QUARTER

16:16: Dangerfield marks on the 50 to crowd cheers, but is ruled to have pushed Dion Prestia in the back.

13:04: Jackson Thurlow is dumped after a strong tackle by McIntosh, and it’s questionable whether the Cat got a handball away.

10:35: Prestia is pounced on by Cam Guthrie and Selwood at a centre bounce. The crowd appeals for a free but the umpire correctly rules there was no prior opportunity.

8:06: Guthrie fumbles the ball before he’s tackled by Broad. He had prior opportunity and also didn’t dispose the ball correctly. Clear mistake.

6:02: Riewoldt is pushed by Tom Lonergan outside 50m and is the awarded the free. Delivers a pinpoint pass to Houli, who goals to cut the margin to 13 points.

2:00: Cats defender Jackson Thurlow is in the back pocket and under little pressure dribbles the ball towards the boundary line. Deliberate out of bounds paid.

FOURTH QUARTER

9:21: Rioli gathers the bouncing ball and is immediately seized by Selwood. The umpire waits before calling holding the ball. With the Cats 20 point up, the crowd is getting louder.

7:42: Selwood is tackled by Prestia as soon as he takes possession, in similar circumstances to the Rioli tackle previously. The only difference is Selwood had one armed pin and lets the ball spill out, but that’s incorrect disposal

What about the gift Menzel got right in front at the end of the 2nd qtr after he clumsily ran into the pack and waved his arms about.
The numerous tackles applied by the tigers that went un-rewarded because the umpire was giving the cats players ample time to get rid off it.
The holds on our players that were let go because the umpires were too busy watching to see if Danger was being held.

 

[Groupie_]

And the throw that Dangerfield did in the last quarter when BEllis tackled him that was awarded as holding the man not to mention all the times Guthrie threw the ball. Get f***** Herald Sun and your b****** review!!

written by a cats fan

seems legit

 

[Tiges1229]

norf final 2015 was like 90% rfc fans

remember the game ending non call on Cunnington holding the ball and then it goes back the other way and goal

that was a momentum changer we would have hit the front

That ump was like 2 feet away from that as well , lol

 

[nick1408]

When the game was reviewed on On The Couch last night David King was trying to highlight how Taylor was beating Rance. Dunstall says "I saw two free kicks that weren't paid in that vision."

I thoguht there would have been more said on both 360 and OTC. Missed Classified and Talking Footy so hopefully something was said on them (I'll watch them later).

 

[Groupie_]

When the game was reviewed on On The Couch last night David King was trying to highlight how Taylor was beating Rance. Dunstall says "I saw two free kicks that weren't paid in that vision."

I thoguht there would have been more said on both 360 and OTC. Missed Classified and Talking Footy so hopefully something was said on them (I'll watch them later).

haha its richmond nobody says shit

 

[michaelj004]

Was Richmond really hard done by with free kicks against Geelong at Simonds Stadium?

CHRIS VERNUCCIO, Herald Sun

RICHMOND coach Damien Hardwick chose his words carefully when asked about the impact the Geelong crowd had in his team’s loss at Simonds Stadium.

The Tigers were on the wrong end of a lopsided 28-17 free kick count last Saturday, which Hardwick pointed out after the game.

“Absolutely ... the home crowd gets behind them. Have a look at the free kick count.”

“It is what it is. What I will say is you’ve got a significant home ground advantage.”

While there was no reference to umpires or umpiring decisions, the inference was the vocal Geelong crowd swayed the men in lime green.

But after the emotion subsides, which it should have by now, Hardwick will be fully aware the discrepancy in the free kick tally had little to do with the “the noise of affirmation”.

A Herald Sun review of the match noted clear decisions that went against the Tigers, some of which were influenced by the crowd, but the Cats also on the wrong end of umpiring errors.

But what was apparently obvious was how much more effective the Cats were with their tackles, which Champion Data stats support.

Geelong laid 72 tackles from 105 attempts, an efficiency of 69 per cent, and missed just six tackles.

Richmond had 147 tackling attempts, effecting 84 tackles — 12 more than the Cats — but its efficiency was 57 per cent and the Tigers missed 13 tackles.

The Tigers weren’t able to make them stick as well as the Cats, and allowed their opponents to get a disposal away.

That was the biggest factor in the result.

Richmond star Dustin Martin tries to break a Jed Bews tackle. Picture: Michael Klein

Richmond still won its share of holding the ball decisions — seven to Geelong’s 11.

However, when it comes to tackling Geelong is clearly the No.1 team in the competition with an efficiency of 71.1 per cent — the only club about 70 per cent.

The next best is the Western Bulldogs at 68.8 per cent. Richmond’s efficiency is 64.9 per cent, ranked 14th.

The Cats also win the most holding the ball free kicks — 5.7 a game. Sydney is behind them with 5.2.

Here are some of the key moments from Saturday’s game at the Cattery:

FIRST QUARTER

18min44sec: Kane Lambert tackles Cats defender Andrew Mackie from behind, crowd wants a push back but the umpire correctly awards a holding the ball free to the Tigers. The end result is the game’s opening goal to Josh Caddy.

16:26: Tigers ruckman Ivan Soldo gets lucky when he’s tackled by Sam Menengola and drops the ball as Cats fans cry “baaaaall”, but the umpire waves play on.

13:59: Geelong tall Rhys Stanley denied a shot at goal despite David Astbury not having his eyes on the ball and making contact with his face attempting to spoil. Daniel Menzel picks up the loose ball and snaps the Cats’ first score — a behind.

11:45: Stanley gets a square-up free as Astbury hangs on to him, and boots Geelong’s first goal.

8:14: Mackie gets away with an obvious deliberate rushed behind after handballing to Lachie Henderson, who was already behind the goal line. The Tigers cheer squad behind the goals is ropeable.

SECOND QUARTER

19:14: The Tigers again start a quarter with the first goal from a free kick after Geelong defender Zach Tuohy was deemed to have thrown the ball in a Dan Butler tackle.

13:40: Geelong’s midfield press is forcing the Tigers to overhandball. Shane Edwards breaks a tackle and handballs to Daniel Rioli who tries to sell the dummy but is nabbed by Menengola.

7:22: Martin nudges Jordan Murdoch under the ball inside Richmond’s forward 50, there’s a murmur from the crowd but the umps aren’t interested.

5:45: Sam Simpson gets the benefit of the doubt after a dubious disposal when tackled by Nathan Broad.

5:38: Broad puts his head down between two Geelong players to win the ball and is taken high but doesn’t receive a free.

5:30: Mackie is all over Jack Riewoldt 10m from goal. Riewoldt is furious no free was paid. Crucial moment with the Tigers trailing 41-29.

4:37: Up the other end, Menzel is impeded by Brandon Ellis in a marking content. Menzel goal’s is effectively a 12-point turnaround.

3:57: The Tigers apply pressure at a centre bounce. Murdoch tries to spin out of trouble but is collared by Richmond captain Trent Cotchin. The ball spills but the umpire keeps the whistle away.

2:32: Grigg is under pressure in defence as he throws the ball onto his boot. It bounces between the 50m arc and the centre square and bounces another five times before going out of bounds. The vocal Geelong crowd scream for deliberate and get it. Harsh decision.

00:04: Menzel is dragged down Edwards, stopping a certain shot at goal on the siren, but seconds earlier Cotchin made high contact with the Cats forward.

THIRD QUARTER

16:16: Dangerfield marks on the 50 to crowd cheers, but is ruled to have pushed Dion Prestia in the back.

13:04: Jackson Thurlow is dumped after a strong tackle by McIntosh, and it’s questionable whether the Cat got a handball away.

10:35: Prestia is pounced on by Cam Guthrie and Selwood at a centre bounce. The crowd appeals for a free but the umpire correctly rules there was no prior opportunity.

8:06: Guthrie fumbles the ball before he’s tackled by Broad. He had prior opportunity and also didn’t dispose the ball correctly. Clear mistake.

6:02: Riewoldt is pushed by Tom Lonergan outside 50m and is the awarded the free. Delivers a pinpoint pass to Houli, who goals to cut the margin to 13 points.

2:00: Cats defender Jackson Thurlow is in the back pocket and under little pressure dribbles the ball towards the boundary line. Deliberate out of bounds paid.

FOURTH QUARTER

9:21: Rioli gathers the bouncing ball and is immediately seized by Selwood. The umpire waits before calling holding the ball. With the Cats 20 point up, the crowd is getting louder.

7:42: Selwood is tackled by Prestia as soon as he takes possession, in similar circumstances to the Rioli tackle previously. The only difference is Selwood had one armed pin and lets the ball spill out, but that’s incorrect disposal

I should be paid for reading that shit

 

[fleabitten]

Geelong laid 72 tackles from 105 attempts, an efficiency of 69 per cent, and missed just six tackles.

Richmond had 147 tackling attempts, effecting 84 tackles — 12 more than the Cats — but its efficiency was 57 per cent and the Tigers missed 13 tackles.

The Tigers weren’t able to make them stick as well as the Cats, and allowed their opponents to get a disposal away.

That was the biggest factor in the result.

Richmond still won its share of holding the ball decisions — seven to Geelong’s 11.

While he's figuring out percentages, why not Richmond's 7/84 tackles (8.3%) rewarded with HTB vs Geelong's 11/72 (15.3%)? It's a pretty big discrepancy to explain away with tackling technique. Their tackles were almost twice as likely to be rewarded with a HTB decision, and it was noticeable during the game. They had more time and less scrutiny of their disposal.

 

[Wallaby]

OK.


Point 1 - I haven't watched the game.


Point 2. By the sound of it (including reading the neutrals on the game thread) we got screwed by the umps. Badly. (And, on the news, I have seen the notorious 'deliberate' - and... well...f### me!!!)


Point 3. It seems the Cats got a few frees straight in front, while Jack got mugged all game for nothing. Full-forwards generally don't get a lot of frees for (compared with frees against. A few do - so, maybe it's your problem, Jack).


Point 4. Do umpires affect the game? Of course, they do!! In a close game, a bad umpiring decision is like a bad bounce - can completely change the flow of the game.


However - I don't think the game is rigged. If I did, I wouldn't watch it (or I'd watch it like the wrestling - where the twists and double-crosses are more entertaining than the action

). Umps do their best. They know the rules better than you or me. I can think of several games in the last few years where I thought Richmond got a good run from the umps (the 3rd quarter of the North game is an example). I wish umps were perfect, but they're not - so deal with it.


I think there are some ways umpires can be influenced. The home crowd is classic - if the umps don't notice a potential free to the home team, the home crowd will bring it to their attention. Umps have their favourite players and decisions (subconsciously). But I also think there is some work that happens behind the scenes. I am sure football departments are always contacting umps for 'clarifications' - not just for what happened last week, but to check out future tactical ideas. There is 'Rule of the Week'. There are 'crackdowns' on this and that. Are we being smart enough in that area? Do we talk to the umpiring department regularly (or too much?). It's a part of the game. I think Hardwick was correct in what he said (but he still probably shouldn't have said it - noble silence plays better in the public opinion).


In the 3 years we made finals 2013-2015 we finished the season in the positive for frees. Last year, we were slightly down. This year - dramatic change to gameplan - dramatic change to frees for/against. Co-incidence? We all love the pressure that Rioli, Butler and Castagna bring - but overall, they have given away more frees than they have got. Do we want them to change how they play, or are we happy to sacrifice a few frees for the continual pressure application? Cyril Rioli (supposedly great at forward pressure) has only had one season where he gave away more frees than he earned. And, yes, umpires are probably influenced by - 'It's Cyril'. But what does HE do that is different - it's no good just saying 'Umps favor Cyril' - why do they?


I dunno (but I hope the footy department is working on it). The fact is we kept the game pretty close, and could have pinched it if the breaks had gone our way. The main breaks in this case being the umpires. If we had a good run, we might have won. We didn't. That's sport. I don't like it - but I have to accept it.
Sometimes, you really do have to play the umpires - some sides do it better than others.

 

[Goldust]

I've been to every game at G this year and no way we get looked after the media talking through there arses again .

It wasn't the media who said it, it was OUR coach who said that!

 

[Tiges1229]

It wasn't the media who said it, it was OUR coach who said that!

Of course he's going to say our crowds do the same so to not to cop a fine from the AFL , and media did say it on TV and radio.