Umpiring

[jefffff34]

I wonder what bigfooty would have been like if it existed in 1991 when Fitzroy fans tried to burn down AFL House after Rodney Jameson's free kick stole a game off them.

The umpiring today was worse. Justin Schmitt deserves a really bad disease.

 

[morgoth]

Stop blaming anyone but our own club. Did the umpires makes us select Toovey and Ben Johnso? Do the umpires make us go via the boundry line, make us miss simple targets by foot?

Until this club learns to accept the blame for its shortcomings it will get no where!

 

[DoubleO7]

Stop blaming anyone but our own club. Did the umpires makes us select Toovey and Ben Johnso? Do the umpires make us go via the boundry line, make us miss simple targets by foot?

Until this club learns to accept the blame for its shortcomings it will get no where!

Did the umpires not gift the crows with four goals from direct free kicks?

 

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

I never said 'Every single goal scoring opportunity', learn how to comprehend a post better.

I was implying that some of their goals were direct results of incorrect umpiring which results in goals which in turn gave them momentum.

Prove me wrong?

I don't have to prove anything. You're the one making the claims. You are the one that should be proving that most (or some as you are now saying) of Adelaide's scoring opportunities came as a result of incorrect umpiring decisions.

BTW, prove me wrong isn't a question. Learn to construct a post better

 

[Heater39]

My god I hate these threads but because we are Collingwood it's always someone elses fault

FFS forget the umpirirng, pissfarting around the boundry line, basic skill errors and letting the crows back in in the 3rd cost us.

Not the bloody umpires!!

 

[DoubleO7]

I don't have to prove anything. You're the one making the claims. You are the one that should be proving that most (or some as you are now saying) of Adelaide's scoring opportunities came as a result of incorrect umpiring decisions.

BTW, prove me wrong isn't a question. Learn to construct a post better

I haven't made any claims, these are actual facts.

Of course you have to prove it since you're questioning me and commenting on the subject.

The question mark means I could be wrong, but I'm not, fact.

 

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

I haven't made any claims, these are actual facts.

I don't need to prove myself when it is there for everybody to see. Not you of course, since your posting is of the highest prejudice.

Facts? I think you need to look up the definition of a fact. Biased opinions of umpiring decisions are not facts.

The question mark means I could be wrong, but I'm not, fact.

It wasn't a question. No question mark was needed. Prove me wrong is a statement.

 

[DoubleO7]

Facts? I think you need to look up the definition of a fact. Biased opinions of umpiring decisions are not facts.

Did they or did they not get goals from direct umpiring mistakes? How is that biased? It is fact, the umpires made mistakes which resulted in opposition goals.

It wasn't a question. No question mark was needed. Prove me wrong is a statement.

So it is, and I admit it, don't humans make mistakes (especially when under stress). Why are you making a big deal of it?

 

[Dylz48]

The umpiring was the worse I have seen in a long time. But the fact remains we still can't play 4 quaters, were tactically slow and still didn't get enough clearances. The better team one on the day.

However I do believe we should make umpires profession because as long as we have amateurs ruling over our game those stupid decisions that do supporters head in will continue.

 

[bucksisbest]

We got absolutely reamed by them.
But ****ing sloppy shithouse performances , are just as bad as their sapping rubbish.

 

[that_dood]

We won.

Please Collingwood fans this guy is a blatant troll even on our board. His opinions do not represent those of the supporters of the Adelaide Football Club and he is in no way a representation of the Adelaide members on BigFooty.

 

[that_dood]

I would agree with you if it wasnt happening ever week.

Only the weeks when you lose it seems to occur. Yes Collingwood had a rough time from the umps, but there was some really horrific decisions against us in particular Petrenko on the far wing having no prior opportunity at all, and the Davis in the back in the last few minutes when even the most biased Victorian commentators on Fox said that was a shocking decision.

 

[KissStephanie]

The proof is in the pudding. Free kicks will always be picked. However, it's the free kicks that directly result in goals that are the ones that knock the stuffings out of teams, particularly if they are not there.

Collingwood were at fault for starting so slowly. They were second to the ball in the first quarter, and they made some bad mistakes throughout the match. Adelaide definitely won the tactical battle, but the fault rests with the players for not countering it as well as the coaching staff had prepared for it. A 28 point deficit in warm conditions early in the match was a disappointing start to the season, and tough to come back from.

However, despite Collingwood playing poorly, and Adelaide playing well, the umpires actually decided the match in the end. Good teams still win when they play poorly, but there were a number of umpiring decisions that definitely prevented that from happening. There has been too many supporters from opposition clubs ringing in to the radio stations as well as posting on the gameday thread that have said the same thing for it to just be considered Collingwood supporters whinging.

There is absolutely no doubt that that the two-handed smother from Shannon Cox's boot that landed in Andrew McLeod's hands and was paid a mark, and then a 50 metre penalty because Didak correctly tackled him, which resulted in a goal, is a match deciding mistake. According to all reports, as well as an ariel camera angle, it seems that the Dale Thomas goal that was disallowed was also a game deciding umpiring mistake as the ball had not completely crossed the line.

There were at least 2-3 other decisions that either resulted in goals to Adelaide, or missed opportunities to goal for Collingwood, and there is no reason that Rohan Connelly, who is a journo that barracks for Essendon, would agree that Collingwood were harshly dealt with by the umpires. There had already been a number of decisions to three quarter time that incorrectly went Adelaide's way, which helped them to bridge the 18 point deficit, but the final quarter mistakes were absolutely critical when the match was so close.

Adelaide were the better team on the day. Collingwood were terribly disappointing in a match they were expected to win after dropping similar matches last season. That does not mean that the match should be awarded to Adelaide though. Good teams still find a way to win when they play poorly, but unfortunately a number of umpiring decisions prevented any chance of that from happening.

By the way, I certainly hope that a number of the trolls in this thread are given a holiday for their complete lack of tact on the Collingwood board. There is no way that some of the stuff that has been posted would be allowed on most of the opposition teams board. I'm sure I would be red-carded if I posted some of these comments after such a close and controversial loss. I hope that happens to these trolls.

 

[ChipDouglas]

Justin Schmitt, don't pronounce the "M"

Because thats the only way to describe your "performance" today. I'm not worried about anyone one else but Justin has got quite the track record for crucifying Collingwood. For whatever reason this guy just doesn't give us a fair go

 

[Dave The Man]

Re: Justin Schmitt, don't pronounce the "M"

Because thats the only way to describe your "performance" today. I'm not worried about anyone one else but Justin has got quite the track record for crucifying Collingwood. For whatever reason this guy just doesn't give us a fair go

Nicholls Number 15 was not much better.

I am sure they put a bet on Crows to win

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Only the weeks when you lose it seems to occur.

Not so. We smashed Richmond in the NAB Cup despite being down 22-6 in the free kick count. It repeated itself against Geelong when we couldn't buy a free kick, but frankly they were first to the ball all night and I barely noticed the umpires.

Today, however, when Adelaide were dominant they were playing uncontested footy, and so rarely were free kicks warranted. However when Collingwood went one-on-one and were consistently first to the ball, along with lifting our tackle count, we still got absolutely r*ped by the umpires.

I find it laughable that people are being chastised for stating the bleedingly obvious; the umpires were the difference today. With an even run from the umpires we would have won by about 4-5 goals, perhaps less if Adelaide kicked straighter. That's not being ungracious, that's just as plain as day to anyone watching the match. Yes, we should have played better, manned up earlier, fumbled less, made better decisions... and even so the better side on the day lost. Them's the facts.

 

[mattys123]

Free Kick count 18-14, no incorrect decision in the last quarter effected the match, so therefor the umpires had no effect on the match.....

 

[The 10th Letter]

I was as frustrated as anyone in regards to some of the umpiring decisions, particularly in the third quarter. With that said, we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

You simply cannot expect to put in a first quarter performance like we did and win matches. Adelaide dominated the first quarter and we didn't bother showing up until the second; and even then our game was riddled with errors. As bad as some of the umpiring decisions were, you could also mount an argument that we were lucky to even be within 23 points at the end of the first quarter.

We didn't play good football today and I expect the game plan will be a big talking point on this board during the week -- and rightfully so. We're not even forcing opposition teams to win the corridor, we're simply relinquishing it to them. The game plan has merit in some instances, but it needs a lot more flexibility. The game is always evolving and we're simply becoming predictable.

Our team selection for this game was obviously off the mark and our execution come game day was obviously lacking. Quite a few players will improve upon below average performances, whilst a few others could - or should - find themselves sitting out the next game.

In the end, Adelaide were the better team. Whilst I considered this a game we should have won, Adelaide are a side I have a lot of respect for based on their discipline and the fact that they're always competitive regardless of what the mainstream consensus is regarding their list -- which is more often than not inaccurate.

 

[that_dood]

There is absolutely no doubt that that the two-handed smother from Shannon Cox's boot that landed in Andrew McLeod's hands and was paid a mark, and then a 50 metre penalty because Didak correctly tackled him, which resulted in a goal, is a match deciding mistake. According to all reports, as well as an ariel camera angle, it seems that the Dale Thomas goal that was disallowed was also a game deciding umpiring mistake as the ball had not completely crossed the line.

I'm sorry but the ball was well and truly out of play and was correctly called against Thomas. I don't know what you were watching but the TV commentators said it was out and the TV replay wella nd truly showed it was clearly out of play.

And the McLeod decision was not a game deciding one.

The game defining moment was Douglas and his heroics in the last few minutes on the goal line, and Collingwood being outplayed and making way too many crucial errors (Swan fumbling in the last few minutes running into an open goal lost it for you). If Adelaide kicked straight Collingwood would have lost by 5 or 6 goals. Yes it ended close but the umpires DID NOT effect the result.

 

[Magpies696]

we cant blame them for our mistakes but they are getting worst

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Re: Justin Schmitt, don't pronounce the "M"

Was Schmitt #17? If so, forget the Hachems, the ATO should be investigating this guy. I wouldn't have been surprised if the other two umpires were Nikolay Davydenko and John the Bookmaker.

 

[HFF]

Free Kick count 18-14, no incorrect decision in the last quarter effected the match, so therefor the umpires had no effect on the match.....

Flattering statistic.

It's not how many free kicks you receive, it's where you get them.

Adelaide's were all forward of centre that resulted in goals.

I do not recall one Collingwood free kick that resulted in a direct goal.

 

[that_dood]

I find it laughable that people are being chastised for stating the bleedingly obvious; the umpires were the difference today. With an even run from the umpires we would have won by about 4-5 goals, perhaps less if Adelaide kicked straighter. That's not being ungracious, that's just as plain as day to anyone watching the match. Yes, we should have played better, manned up earlier, fumbled less, made better decisions... and even so the better side on the day lost. Them's the facts.

You are rightfully being laughed at when you say that Collingwood deserved to win by 4 or 5 goals.

Even your own supporters are saying that Collingwood were outplayed and outcoahed and that the umpires did not effect the result.

Yes they had a shocking game the umps but it was both ways.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Good for them, I was at the game and I disagree. The umpires made far more than 4 points worth of difference, and saying otherwise is just spin.

 

[smiddaz123]

We won, got the 4 points, they lost, got 0 points, that's fact.

Any you think that's being disputed?

We're discussing possible reasons for said result.

I can't see anyone genuinely thinking that the umpiring was even without possessing a very very low IQ.