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You realise that since 2007 despite missing finals just once that we only went out in straight sets one time and that was in 2014, right? Get your facts right if you’re going to talk trash.
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My bad. Straight sets or not, still haven’t won a flag in that time
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Not blaming KP, I’m saying Geelong aren’t that good
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You’re not factoring in Insterstate clubs get a big home ground advantage and a huge disadvantage with their travel and away games.
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He’s 21, give him time, he’s well ahead of where you’d expect a key forward to be at his stage in development.
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For sure. He has more than enough potential but so does any player ever drafted. Just doesn’t do anything else at the moment.
His job is to play deep and either mark the ball or bring it to ground.
He does that very, very well. It's an appalling strategy by St Kilda though both for maximising King's output and development - but also for them as a team.
In summary, I don't think the issue you described is King's issue as such, but Ratten's.
I would be seeking a trade if I was King. What a waste of talent.
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The problem is St Kilda aren't using other tall targets. Higgins is the next most targeted player. Membrey has been playing really high and not presenting often deep.
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He is his height though…
If he didn’t have legs he’s struggle as well.
I don’t get it.
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If Max King was 10cm shorter and played like a 202cm gangly freak he wouldn't be on a list.
Depending on source Jack Darling is 191cm and Oscar Allen is 192 or 194. They seem to do OK. There aren't too many Tim Membreys running around who play like a key forward but are 190cm or shorter. We had Ben McKinley years ago who was a natural forward and goalkicker but at 185cm 85kg with limited athleticism he was never going to have a long AFL career. If you are that size you need to have a real point of difference like Tory Dickson who converted 75% of his shots or Luke Breust who kicks bags of goals and gets involved in the play up the ground.
It's a strange criticism to level at King. Most players his size have a fraction of the talent and survive in the league for years because they are tall.
Depending on source Jack Darling is 191cm and Oscar Allen is 192 or 194. They seem to do OK. There aren't too many Tim Membreys running around who play like a key forward but are 190cm or shorter. We had Ben McKinley years ago who was a natural forward and goalkicker but at 185cm 85kg with limited athleticism he was never going to have a long AFL career. If you are that size you need to have a real point of difference like Tory Dickson who converted 75% of his shots or Luke Breust who kicks bags of goals and gets involved in the play up the ground.
It's a strange criticism to level at King. Most players his size have a fraction of the talent and survive in the league for years because they are tall.
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Yeah it’s a weird criticism, I guess the idea is that if he was his pace, agility and skill but shorter he wouldn’t make it but that’s a pretty pointless argument. If he was 10cm shorter he would probably be faster and more agile
Thought the past round was underwhelming considering the build up.
Cats and Tigers game the only match of the four big ones that delivered.
Demons and Carlton put other sides away comfortably and scoring levels nothing special in matches that meant to involve all the teams from top 8 on ladder at time. Swans and Saints was a shocker too.
1 out of 4 were decent for those headline matches. Still way to much congestion for top level football. AFL have really let the sport decline as spectacle over a number of decades with their focus too much on business model and not enough on the sport itself. The complacency built from strong footing the sport had is not good for the sport.
If they do not address the spectacle issues of the actual sport they created it will cost in a decade or two.
Crowds already down and some may never come back.
Cats and Tigers game the only match of the four big ones that delivered.
Demons and Carlton put other sides away comfortably and scoring levels nothing special in matches that meant to involve all the teams from top 8 on ladder at time. Swans and Saints was a shocker too.
1 out of 4 were decent for those headline matches. Still way to much congestion for top level football. AFL have really let the sport decline as spectacle over a number of decades with their focus too much on business model and not enough on the sport itself. The complacency built from strong footing the sport had is not good for the sport.
If they do not address the spectacle issues of the actual sport they created it will cost in a decade or two.
Crowds already down and some may never come back.
Probably doesn’t say much about the rest of the competition then that we still travel better than any other team in the premiership.
What should we do mate, start losing more on the road to satisfy you?
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Further to your point, few examples of 'shorter' key forwards (193 and below) who did/are doing pretty well:
- Brendan Fevola - 191cm
- Charlie Curnow - 192cm
- Matthew Pavlich - 192cm
- Matthew Lloyd - 192cm
- Wayne Carey - 192cm
- Jack Riewoldt -193cm
- Jarryd Roughead - 193cm
- Tex Walker - 193cm
- Jack Gunston - 193cm
- Jake Stringer - 192cm
- Tony Lockett - 191cm
- Gordon Coventry - 183cm *
- Jason Dunstall - 188cm
- Doug Wade - 188cm *
- Gary Ablett Senior - 185cm
Max King's strength is his run and jump at the ball, fully extended there isn't a defender in the competition with the height, reach and vert combination capable of taking the footy at the same height as the King brothers can. If they were 10cm shorter, I'm sure they'd be coached to play differently. They have vice like hands and are quick off the mark, they absolutely would have a spot on a list, just wouldn't be playing in the exact same fashion as they do now.
The whole '10cm shorter/taller' argument is ridiculous too. How different of a player would Charlie Curnow be if he were 202cm? Do you think Charlie would be the elite runner he is if he were 10cm taller? Ed is 10cm shorter than Charlie and pumps Charlie by about 40 seconds in the 2km, how much worse would Charlie be at running if he were 202cm? Conversely, would a 168cm Daniel Kerr have had a spot on a list? A 169cm Ben Cousins? It's not a small margin, it's not worth discussing.
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Wow, I didn't realise that.
When they played together I viewed Tex as a key forward and Gunston as a medium forward.
Didn't realise the difference.
But I guess that's got a lot to do with body shape. Gunston less muscle = more mobile and faster, creating that perception? idk
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Yeah, probably that! I hadn't realised that Silvagni was only 1cm shorter than Curnow for example, due to much the same reason - Silvagni looks quite skinny because he's always in that long sleeve, he also works up the ground a lot.
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This whole post is accurate and yet is my point at the same time.
His strength is his running AND his marking, yet he only uses his running FOR his marking. He’s not putting pressure on. You can’t tell me a 7-8cm in height is the reason he and Naughton (as an example but there are plenty of others) are able to put the pressure on that they do.
Big call, but If Jeremy Howe was a paraplegic I don't think he would take so many hangers. Also, think Christian Petracca would struggle to play AFL if he was blind.
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Yes, that’s true - when the ball hits the deck Max doesn’t compete hard enough. I do agree with much of what you’re saying I just disagree with your assertion that he wouldn’t be on a list as he has so many elite attributes beyond his height.
You’re missing the point. Interstate teams might get a few more at home, but we also don’t have a 2nd home ground and majority of our away games are a 4hr flight not a 1hr drive.
You understand you’re in an unpopular opinions thread right?
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