Injury Walsh's Injury Updates

[Finnishpie]

Really interesting that they've un-ruled Ben Reid out. It was only a week and a half ago that Bucks said he is out for the season.

Actually, I think a few days after he was injured they un-ruled him out.

 

[ZEV]

Did he play or not? If it hadn't been a foot, it most likely would have been something else. Is he going to be better equipped to avoid injury next year at 34? I think not.

Everyone gets fat on their first trip to Israel. Lets hope at 34 he is a bit wiser and smarter to get through the season

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Everyone gets fat on their first trip to Israel. Lets hope at 34 he is a bit wiser and smarter to get through the season

I'd have thought you'd always be on the go....
For Wells visiting Beth lehem would be a big deal, Jerusalem of course.

 

[domus]

If we face West Coast with our current backline we may as well forfeit the game and move onto the cutthroat one the following week.

 

[Apex36]

Then again did anyone predict the broken foot that has put him out for the season.

If he was properly fit we might have at least got some value from him last year and early this year though...

 

[CFC2010]

If he was properly fit we might have at least got some value from him last year and early this year though...

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I'd have thought you'd always be on the go....
For Wells visiting Beth lehem would be a big deal, Jerusalem of course.

Maybe Beth churns out the carbs?

 

[Frankie23]

So with even luck Goldsack and Appelby will get 2 games in the VFL (last H&A game and a final) before our first final. Massive decision on who to bring in and who misses.

Is two games enough for Goldy? Is Appelby in over Murray and Murphy?

I think Apples is best 22, came in and did his job very well earlier this year and I think we've missed his lock down ability. Goldsack I'm just not sure, if he has two blinders then yes, but it's going to be a tough ask...

I'd roll into the first final as follows;

Appelby - Langdon - Madgen
Crisp - Howe - Maynard

 

[Collingwoodity]

Then again did anyone predict the broken foot that has put him out for the season.

The problem with looking at a snapshot of time is that it ignores context. He has barely/rarely been fit for weeks on end since he arrived. His foot injury is not a reason for the rest of the time at Collingwood during which he has not been fit.


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[Gone Critical]

Did he play or not? If it hadn't been a foot, it most likely would have been something else. Is he going to be better equipped to avoid injury next year at 34? I think not.

If he was properly fit we might have at least got some value from him last year and early this year though...

The problem with looking at a snapshot of time is that it ignores context. He has barely/rarely been fit for weeks on end since he arrived. His foot injury is not a reason for the rest of the time at Collingwood during which he has not been fit.


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I understand the concern about the footy he had missed in 2017-8 prior to the foot injury but but disagree with my comment lacking context.

While we wanted more we still did get valuable footy from Wells in 2017. The foot injury was unrelated to fitness and the club had specifically held him back in 2018 to allow him to be well over his soft tissue injuries preseason this year. If he hadn't done the foot I think we would be more likely than not be getting valuable footy from him now and he would be the cherry on top of our good form.

 

[Apex36]

I understand the concern about the footy he had missed in 2017-8 prior to the foot injury but but disagree with my comment lacking context.

While we wanted more we still did get valuable footy from Wells in 2017. The foot injury was unrelated to fitness and the club had specifically held him back in 2018 to allow him to be well over his soft tissue injuries preseason this year. If he hadn't done the foot I think we would be more likely than not be getting valuable footy from him now and he would be the cherry on top of our good form.

The club held him back because he was unfit. Let’s be serious here, even when he did play this year his conditioning was poor. He was clearly carrying too much weight, and when he did play his impact was negligible in 2018. He’s been hugely disappointing and it’s his own fault

 

[sideswipe]

I understand the concern about the footy he had missed in 2017-8 prior to the foot injury but but disagree with my comment lacking context.

While we wanted more we still did get valuable footy from Wells in 2017. The foot injury was unrelated to fitness and the club had specifically held him back in 2018 to allow him to be well over his soft tissue injuries preseason this year. If he hadn't done the foot I think we would be more likely than not be getting valuable footy from him now and he would be the cherry on top of our good form.

Questioning the conditioning/professionalism of a guy who has played over 250 games of footy is laughable. My hunch is that on the back of a solid pre-season and no rushing, his calves will have built back up and he plays 15+ games in 2019. My homespun theory based on a sample set of 1 is that calf strains in older players, including CFC2010, are caused by diminished strength, not flexibility.

 

[Gone Critical]

1. The club held him back because he was unfit. Let’s be serious here, even when he did play this year his conditioning was poor. He was clearly carrying too much weight, and when he did play his impact was negligible in 2018. He’s been hugely disappointing and it’s his own fault

2. I think thats BF conjecture. He did start his pre season on time and in good shape and was unfortunate he got injured. It was 2017 when he started behind the 8 ball. Not sure where your information re the club holding him back because of his fitness. I spoke to his wife about this at the VFL one week and she said he was very keen to be playing and was frustrated the club had made him wait extra weeks to start playing to be sure the calf injury recurrence risk was minimised. Out of interest she said the club had been fantastic in looking after them also and they loved it there. While I dont disagree there has been some disappointment especially around 2017 pre season not sure that 2018 he did anything wrong.

 

[CFC2010]

Questioning the conditioning/professionalism of a guy who has played over 250 games of footy is laughable. My hunch is that on the back of a solid pre-season and no rushing, his calves will have built back up and he plays 15+ games in 2019. My homespun theory based on a sample set of 1 is that calf strains in older players, including CFC2010, are caused by diminished strength, not flexibility.

My calf went because I am overweight and unfit...…..sounds like someone else

 

[MyManLynch]

So with even luck Goldsack and Appelby will get 2 games in the VFL (last H&A game and a final) before our first final. Massive decision on who to bring in and who misses.

Is two games enough for Goldy? Is Appelby in over Murray and Murphy?

I think Apples is best 22, came in and did his job very well earlier this year and I think we've missed his lock down ability. Goldsack I'm just not sure, if he has two blinders then yes, but it's going to be a tough ask...

I'd roll into the first final as follows;

Appelby - Langdon - Madgen
Crisp - Howe - Maynard

I think Goldsack would be an absolute last resort selection, if we advanced deep into September & suffered more Medium/tall defender injuries.
We run out of options...then there is Goldy.
Appleby strong chance to get back in, competing with Murray & Murphy.
Assume Howe can play VFL next week...get one game in before AFL final.
Moore & Reid?? Bonus if either make it back.
Treloar appears to be on a make or break quest for 1st week finals.
Go big or go home.

 

[Darkyprotector]

Been overweight from the moment he got to the club. Whether that's him not putting in or the simple fact that he's not young anymore. He was a https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/bigger fk up that Chris Mayne was (who is actually looking quite good at the moment).

I've explained this numerous times
Both were recruited to add leadership
One brings exquisite skills and the ability to weight a ball
The other brings personal characteristics, team first attitude and experience

The biggest influence was at pre season

All on show at training and if you know about a salary cap
We had to spend the cash

Nice of you to admit you were wrong on chris , big of you to admit it

 

[Darkyprotector]

My calf went because I am overweight and unfit...…..sounds like someone else

No your calf went as you were acting your shoe size and not your age
Lol

 

[sideswipe]

My calf went because I am overweight and unfit...…..sounds like someone else

A bit of a derail, but I reckon there is some chicken/egg here - and this is based on no medical knowledge, but a lot of calf strains and a range of successful/unsuccessful returns. As we get older and tend to do less, the previously heavily used muscles like calves become weaker. At the same time, fitness is dropping, weight is rising - related, but not causal of a calf tear. Then we do some activity out of the ordinary and ping goes the calf. So we do even less on the calf until we do something dumb again and the cycle continues. Or we try to slowly rehab it, get impatient and it tears again. Can go on for ages. But if you can break the cycle, be patient with building it back up to get the calf right, no reason you can't get back to full speed. This rushing is my homespun theory on why someone like a Wells gets repeated calves. And kind of ties in with his preparation this season prior to the foot injury with that very long prep. I did my most recent mild calf in March this year after getting lazy with my running over summer. Took three months of very tentative running/recovery. In the meantime, the elliptical is your friend. Derail over. Gone Critical please send this to Wellsy's missus. It will sound better coming from you.

 

[Apex36]

1. I think thats BF conjecture. He did start his pre season on time and in good shape and was unfortunate he got injured. It was 2017 when he started behind the 8 ball. Not sure where your information re the club holding him back because of his fitness. I spoke to his wife about this at the VFL one week and she said he was very keen to be playing and was frustrated the club had made him wait extra weeks to start playing to be sure the calf injury recurrence risk was minimised. Out of interest she said the club had been fantastic in looking after them also and they loved it there. While I dont disagree there has been some disappointment especially around 2017 pre season not sure that 2018 he did anything wrong.

Yeah, because his wife is totally going to say “hubby isn’t playing because he didn’t put in the required effort in preseason and his skinfolds are completely unacceptable”...

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I understand the concern about the footy he had missed in 2017-8 prior to the foot injury but but disagree with my comment lacking context.

While we wanted more we still did get valuable footy from Wells in 2017. The foot injury was unrelated to fitness and the club had specifically held him back in 2018 to allow him to be well over his soft tissue injuries preseason this year. If he hadn't done the foot I think we would be more likely than not be getting valuable footy from him now and he would be the cherry on top of our good form.

He certainly would be.

Whilst it’s not worked out this season for us, as I’ve banged on for ages about Wells; he’s not just another good player we have injured (eg Goldsack or Broomhead) he is sublime talent.

That’s the difference he’d be lethal with his passing to Cox, De Goey and our band of merry men.

Big loss to us as is a fully fit Elliott.

 

[Gone Critical]

Yeah, because his wife is totally going to say “hubby isn’t playing because he didn’t put in the required effort in preseason and his skinfolds are completely unacceptable”...

To be perfectly frank she knows me well enough to say exactly that if that was the case. We had a pretty long chat that day about all sorts of things. She said she understood why the club wanted to hold him back even when he felt he was over the injury and he was getting frustrated etc. She reckoned she was having to settle him down and keep him understanding the benefit of waiting when he was dying to play.

 

[sideswipe]

To be perfectly frank she knows me well enough to say exactly that if that was the case. We had a pretty long chat that day about all sorts of things. She said she understood why the club wanted to hold him back even when he felt he was over the injury and he was getting frustrated etc. She reckoned she was having to settle him down and keep him understanding the benefit of waiting when he was dying to play.

Must have been even more frustrating to be held back, return and seemingly be over it, only to cop an unrelated ligament injury. But here posters still want to pot a guy because they think they can assess fat measurements on the tv.

 

[CFC2010]

 

[ZEV]

I'd have thought you'd always be on the go....
For Wells visiting Beth lehem would be a big deal, Jerusalem of course.

It's known as the land of milk and honey for a reason...

 

[Saintly Viewed]

It's known as the land of milk and honey for a reason...

John Lennon album too