Warnock Nominates Carlton

[Side Bet]

It still amazes me that other teams relentlessly bag Freo with no 'sportsmanship'. I have not see Freo fans bag anyone in nasty way, ever?

Freo have a point to prove, so this will be interesting - but lets stay focused on the footy

"Argue with fools long enough"

 

[RandB]

My favourite post from the Melb board.

How dare we trade their number 1 pick in the PSD ...we are ruthless B's aren't we?

Not all of us have been smartasses with the PSD. I think some of the Melbourne posters just got a little excited/carried away. We aren't an arrogant bunch like the Blues (not generally anyway).

With our picks I don't think there is an obvious trade for Warnock anyway. Personally I think pick 24 is about what he is worth and Carlton have the upper hand anyway.

If the following trade went through though would you guys prefer it to pick 24 from Carlton:

Pick 19 for (Warnock + Pick 37 + knowing that Carlton didn't get him.)

I know you guys value him highly and fair enough but I still think pick 19 is a bit much for him (in our situation anyway).

 

[Ysaye]

Not all of us have been smartasses with the PSD. I think some of the Melbourne posters just got a little excited/carried away. We aren't an arrogant bunch like the Blues (not generally anyway).

With our picks I don't think there is an obvious trade for Warnock anyway. Personally I think pick 24 is about what he is worth and Carlton have the upper hand anyway.

If the following trade went through though would you guys prefer it to pick 24 from Carlton:

Pick 19 for (Warnock + Pick 37 + knowing that Carlton didn't get him.)

I know you guys value him highly and fair enough but I still think pick 19 is a bit much for him (in our situation anyway).

I think if it was only pick 24 then pick 19 - pick 37 is a better option. I think Carlton will offer an extra player, like Steven Browne or Dennis Armfield. I think we would take that.

 

[Tundrawolf]

I think if it was only pick 24 then pick 19 - pick 37 is a better option. I think Carlton will offer an extra player, like Steven Browne or Dennis Armfield. I think we would take that.

I agree that Pick 24 and Browne would be more attractive than Pick 19.

 

[RandB]

I think if it was only pick 24 then pick 19 - pick 37 is a better option. I think Carlton will offer an extra player, like Steven Browne or Dennis Armfield. I think we would take that.

lol, this is Carlton mate.

On top of that, many people think pick 24 is about right anyway so Carlton will be happy to do that trade believing you guys did ok out of it. Anything more than pick 24 from the Blues will not happen IMO. If you guys get a better deal than that from the Blues then good on you for pushing them.

 

[Moo]

Not all of us have been smartasses with the PSD. I think some of the Melbourne posters just got a little excited/carried away. We aren't an arrogant bunch like the Blues (not generally anyway).

With our picks I don't think there is an obvious trade for Warnock anyway. Personally I think pick 24 is about what he is worth and Carlton have the upper hand anyway.

If the following trade went through though would you guys prefer it to pick 24 from Carlton:

Pick 19 for (Warnock + Pick 37 + knowing that Carlton didn't get him.)

I know you guys value him highly and fair enough but I still think pick 19 is a bit much for him (in our situation anyway).

True amte not all of you ...but we have been inundated with a few spankers.

I'd rather Warnock to you guys but the only bright side about the Blues seems to be at a minimum we will get 24. It is something. Browne and 24 would be great.

 

[pinkus maximus]

lol, this is Carlton mate.

On top of that, many people think pick 24 is about right anyway so Carlton will be happy to do that trade believing you guys did ok out of it. Anything more than pick 24 from the Blues will not happen IMO. If you guys get a better deal than that from the Blues then good on you for pushing them.

none of these many people have a say in the trade. it has been reported that carlton's opening offer is pick 24. this would suggest that the final offer is going to be more than that

 

[rgauci]

lol, this is Carlton mate.

On top of that, many people think pick 24 is about right anyway so Carlton will be happy to do that trade believing you guys did ok out of it. Anything more than pick 24 from the Blues will not happen IMO. If you guys get a better deal than that from the Blues then good on you for pushing them.

Its farcical how little you eastern states supporters know about Warnock.

 

[Jimthegreat]

True amte not all of you ...but we have been inundated with a few spankers.

I'd rather Warnock to you guys but the only bright side about the Blues seems to be at a minimum we will get 24. It is something. Browne and 24 would be great.

Browne and Armfield are first year draftees, Not sure, think they have to be on the list for 2 years before being drafted or traded. Could be wrong.

No chance i'd say of getting Pick 24 and Browne. You may get a player but it might be Blackwell as he's WA. Carlton won't pay too much, we want him for sure but won't lose sleep if we don't. It's not as if we're dealing for Judd. Pick 24 would be about right for a guy, who's good but not superstar, taken at Pick 42. Problem Freo have he's out of contract meaning you have to deal with Carlton as he nominated them or lose him in the PSD for nothing.

 

[kp junior]

Wrong, we can play Carlton off against Melbourne, best bid wins.

 

[ImperialPurple]

Browne and Armfield are first year draftees, Not sure, think they have to be on the list for 2 years before being drafted or traded. Could be wrong.

No chance i'd say of getting Pick 24 and Browne. You may get a player but it might be Blackwell as he's WA. Carlton won't pay too much, we want him for sure but won't lose sleep if we don't. It's not as if we're dealing for Judd. Pick 24 would be about right for a guy, who's good but not superstar, taken at Pick 42. Problem Freo have he's out of contract meaning you have to deal with Carlton as he nominated them or lose him in the PSD for nothing.

geez you guys were totally ripped off last year then weren't you... imagine paying picks 3 and 20 and Josh Kennedy for a bloke taken with pick 3 originally.

You coulda hung onto pick 20 and Kennedy. the eagles ripped you blokes a new one, well and truly. What were your crew thinking at the time???

 

[Moo]

Browne and Armfield are first year draftees, Not sure, think they have to be on the list for 2 years before being drafted or traded. Could be wrong.

No chance i'd say of getting Pick 24 and Browne. You may get a player but it might be Blackwell as he's WA. Carlton won't pay too much, we want him for sure but won't lose sleep if we don't. It's not as if we're dealing for Judd. Pick 24 would be about right for a guy, who's good but not superstar, taken at Pick 42. Problem Freo have he's out of contract meaning you have to deal with Carlton as he nominated them or lose him in the PSD for nothing.

If Melb offer pick 19 ...he will be joining his Bro.

Blackwell and 24 would be within the bounds of fair to me.

 

[RandB]

Its farcical how little you eastern states supporters know about Warnock.

We know quite a bit actually, we know he is worth getting for a start however we also know that Freo have put nowhere the investment in him in the last three years to suggest that he is all of a sudden a 1st round pick. What is farcical is your lack of understanding of the trade situation. If Carlton believe that they have the upper hand with bargaining for Warnock (which they do) and that they have put a 2nd round pick on the table (which is ball park IMO) then you are kidding yourself in thinking he warrants a 1st rounder. What he warrants in context of trade with a team in a strong position and what you think he is "worth" are two different things. We all know Freo won't let him go into the PSD so that gives no leverage at all.

 

[DOCKER MAN]

We know quite a bit actually, we know he is worth getting for a start however we also know that Freo have put nowhere the investment in him in the last three years to suggest that he is all of a sudden a 1st round pick. What is farcical is your lack of understanding of the trade situation. If Carlton believe that they have the upper hand with bargaining for Warnock (which they do) and that they have put a 2nd round pick on the table (which is ball park IMO) then you are kidding yourself in thinking he warrants a 1st rounder. What he warrants in context of trade with a team in a strong position and what you think he is "worth" are two different things. We all know Freo won't let him go into the PSD so that gives no leverage at all.

Wrong, there's a number of teams that want Robbie and Carlton doesn't have a high enough PSD pick

 

[Moo]

We know quite a bit actually, we know he is worth getting for a start however we also know that Freo have put nowhere the investment in him in the last three years to suggest that he is all of a sudden a 1st round pick. What is farcical is your lack of understanding of the trade situation. If Carlton believe that they have the upper hand with bargaining for Warnock (which they do) and that they have put a 2nd round pick on the table (which is ball park IMO) then you are kidding yourself in thinking he warrants a 1st rounder. What he warrants in context of trade with a team in a strong position and what you think he is "worth" are two different things. We all know Freo won't let him go into the PSD so that gives no leverage at all.

So Rand if you were running Melb and freo said 19 for Warnock ...you would say no?

 

[RandB]

So Rand if you were running Melb and freo said 19 for Warnock ...you would say no?

19 is a tough one mate. 19 for Warnock + pick 37 I would go for. The thing is that he has nominated Carlton so that changes things a little. I don't know if the club would be as enthusiastic chasing him now given that he knew our position/commitment with him and then he more or less looked the other way.

If the club offered 19 on it's own I would feel that you guys got the better of the deal ever so slightly however we have probably planned for Warnock for a fair time and now if we don't get him it throws everything ass up. Do we still go for Watts or do we change our preference to Naita? know what I mean? Not getting Warnock is just a ____en headache for us now and on that basis alone I could handle pick 19 on it's own but Warnock + pick 37 for pick 19 seems more even. The other thing is that the club (MFC) obviously knows more about its other options than what I do so I admit I am a little ignorant with a lot of that.

 

[RandB]

Wrong, there's a number of teams that want Robbie and Carlton doesn't have a high enough PSD pick

Yes but now that he has nominated Carlton can't he force Freo to deal with them exclusively or threaten to just walk into the PSD if they don't? Maybe I am wrong on this one. I realise that Warnock doesn't want the Dockers to get done over so maybe he wouldn't do that but it looks like Freo will be dealing with Carlton.

 

[chook2734]

19 is a tough one mate. 19 for Warnock + pick 37 I would go for. The thing is that he has nominated Carlton so that changes things a little. I don't know if the club would be as enthusiastic chasing him now given that he knew our position/commitment with him and then he more or less looked the other way.

If the club offered 19 on it's own I would feel that you guys got the better of the deal ever so slightly however we have probably planned for Warnock for a fair time and now if we don't get him it throws everything ass up. Do we still go for Watts or do we change our preference to Naita? know what I mean? Not getting Warnock is just a ____en headache for us now and on that basis alone I could handle pick 19 on it's own but Warnock + pick 37 for pick 19 seems more even. The other thing is that the club (MFC) obviously knows more about its other options than what I do so I admit I am a little ignorant with a lot of that.

It's no wonder Melbourne are in such a mess if they are planning everything around snaring one of the most hyped talents in the competition for nothing. Did you think you could just hide him or something? That no one else would want a ruckman who has been fattened up and is nearly ready to go? If Matthew Warnock wasn't at Melbourne I doubt he would have entertained you at all.

Ever heard the saying of not counting your chickens until they've hatched?

 

[RandB]

Ever heard the saying of not counting your chickens until they've hatched?

You miss my point. I have said that based on my observations and understandings of what has gone on in the media and the apparent likelyness of Warnock going to Melbourne. It isn't like every other club has contacted him - just Visy.

As I eluded to, I am sure the club has not put all of it's eggs in one basket and has other plans. I don't represent the MFC, I stated that was my opinion and that it was based more so on what I don't know about our other options than what I do know. In the end the club might just say ok we'll get Watts and then another ruckman in either another trade or with another pick - simple as that. Having a go at the club I follow because of my informed/uninformed rationale is kind of pointless.

Either way I wish you guys luck with your trade and hope we get a decent ruckman one way or another.

 

[dominguez]

Yes but now that he has nominated Carlton can't he force Freo to deal with them exclusively or threaten to just walk into the PSD if they don't? Maybe I am wrong on this one. I realise that Warnock doesn't want the Dockers to get done over so maybe he wouldn't do that but it looks like Freo will be dealing with Carlton.

But if Carlton and Freo can't come to terms during trade week Warnock can either agree to be traded to Melbourne or go to Melbourne in the PSD in December. Same outcome but with the PSD he is left in limbo for 2 months. With that in mind Warnock will agree to be traded to the Demons if Freo and Carlton reach a stalemate IMO.

 

[RandB]

But if Carlton and Freo can't come to terms during trade week Warnock can either agree to be traded to Melbourne or go to Melbourne in the PSD in December. Same outcome but with the PSD he is left in limbo for 2 months. With that in mind Warnock will agree to be traded to the Demons if Freo and Carlton reach a stalemate IMO.

If Warnock agrees to be traded to MFC then fair enough but it is a big assumption that Melbourne would offer anything significantly better than pick 24. I hope we don't get him via PSD. As stated I would be happy with RW + pick 37 for pick 19. Whether that eventuates who knows and whether that is better than pick 24 on it's own is debatable also I guess.

 

[bluesbrother]

are u serious warnock +37 for 19

u have no chance of that deal happening

i give freo 24 and Steven brown
thats a fair deal

 

[RandB]

are u serious warnock +37 for 19

u have no chance of that deal happening

i give freo 24 and Steven brown
thats a fair deal

I would definitely go with that for starters. If it was any other team then I may pass but i'm open to Warnock for 19 straight swap just to outbid your lot.

 

[shiny_on_top]

I would rate Browne + pick 24 better than pick 19

 

[rotto]

browne, armfield or ellard cant be traded until they have played 2 seasons. pick 6 is too much and pick 24 is too little. i would have thought that if warnock was in the national draft, he would be easierly a first round round pick. the dockers wont accept pick 24 and finge player.