Watson Vs Swan

[Dundalis]

He is obviously playing injured, and yet he still manages to get more clearances than any other player on the field.

I'm sorry but Watson had his 27 touches for a net gain of something like 30 metres. You can argue that it is setting up plays, but that's a maybe. It's not a maybe when Swan snags the ball in the middle bursts through the square and pumps it 50 metres into our forward 50. Something you would pretty much never see Watson do.

 

[Hodgepodge]

By the huge margin of 1 over Swan.

Just so you know, Swan has 9 more clearances than Watson from the same number of games this season. As has been mentioned, he spends less time as an inside midfielder than Watson. So if Swan is getting more clearances from less time in actual clearance winning situations he is therefore better than Watson as a clearance player. Seeing as though this is where Watson is meant to have Swan covered, how exactly is Watson better than Swan again?

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_stats_rankings?team_id=0&yr=2010&sp=SE&rt=LT&fc=E3

Swan is a million miles better than Watson, at everything, including Watson's big strength of clearances. This thread is absolutely hilarious.

Pro stats is full of errors.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Pro stats is full of errors.

Just like your posts.

I'm sure it's "there abouts"

 

[Nardz]

they're only errors when they disagree with your opinion...

 

[George Washington]

I'm sorry but Watson had his 27 touches for a net gain of something like 30 metres. You can argue that it is setting up plays, but that's a maybe. It's not a maybe when Swan snags the ball in the middle bursts through the square and pumps it 50 metres into our forward 50. Something you would pretty much never see Watson do.

Watson was #1 in the league for play maker/score involvements a few weeks back. So there goes that argument.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Watson was #1 in the league for play maker/score involvements a few weeks back. So there goes that argument.

....yet you bypassed the post that destroyed your clearances argument.

Nice selective response

 

[robertg22]

Argument? There is no argument! It's not remotely close.

 

[Slattery_20]

Watson's a one man band. Half the time he gets it, shovels it out, next blokes gets tackled = no clearance. 1st possessions would probably tell a bit better story of who plays where, regardless they are very different players.

Swan had 30 touches but buggered if I noticed him. Good linkman putting up ridiculous numbers in a very well oiled side.

 

[Pie eyed]

Watson's a one man band. Half the time he gets it, shovels it out, next blokes gets tackled = no clearance. 1st possessions would probably tell a bit better story of who plays where, regardless they are very different players.

Swan had 30 touches but buggered if I noticed him. Good linkman putting up ridiculous numbers in a very well oiled side.

Funny...That is what the oppo coaches say.

Honestly you must be blind and even then the commentators only mentioned his possession every touch, so deaf too.

Not really the right credentials to opine much?

 

[robertg22]

Well, as a one man band he would probably have more than 2 kicks in a game of football...

 

[WN123]

Watson has been playing injured for weeks. Can barely run at the moment. (Mind you he couldn't run all that well before) But that probably explains the handball to kick ratio.
Has been number 1 playmaker all season (starts the chain of possessions that leads to a goal) so it is difficult to argue he doesn't impact games.
BTW Watson is strong in the clearances but his strength as an inside mid is contested possessions and he is always up in the top few.

 

[Slattery_20]

Funny...That is what the oppo coaches say.

Honestly you must be blind and even then the commentators only mentioned his possession every touch, so deaf too.

Not really the right credentials to opine much?

You're right, didn't hear what the commentators said, I was at the game.
If I was shutting down Pies players, I'd go Pendlebury, Didak then Swan.

Very good linkman. But not even your best mid IMHO. Shut him out & Beams or Wellingham will pop up. Whereas shut down Pendlebury, you lose a lot more out of the guts, shut down Didak you lose a lot of class going I50.

That's my take. You're free to disagree.

 

[Dundalis]

You're right, didn't hear what the commentators said, I was at the game.
If I was shutting down Pies players, I'd go Pendlebury, Didak then Swan.

Very good linkman. But not even your best mid IMHO. Shut him out & Beams or Wellingham will pop up. Whereas shut down Pendlebury, you lose a lot more out of the guts, shut down Didak you lose a lot of class going I50.

That's my take. You're free to disagree.

In terms of importance to the side, I agree. Swan is not as important to our side as his Brownlow favouritism implies. Losing Didak and/or Pendles IMO would be more damaging to us than losing Swan, as good as Swan is. It's not by a large margin though.

He is still a better player than Watson though. Being the most important player in the Essendon side is nothing to boast about.

 

[Slattery_20]

Bit easy to hang shit on a side that's just been thumped, isn't it?

You can't judge that subjectively unless you lock both in a head-to-head one-on-one with all conditions being equal. ie, you can't.

Would Jobe not look outstanding getting it out to Pendlebury, Didak Swan & so on?
How good would Swan look in a side getting belted across nearly every line?
Does that prove it one way or the other? Probably not.

 

[The Panther]

Watson is a solid B Grade player, nothing more, nothing else.
Swan is an A Grader, one of the best 2 performed players this year, who will get his 2nd AA gig.

There is quite a gap.

 

[Number 10]

How is Watson B-Grade? He is a fair machine, a mixture of D. Cross and Priddis with a bit more grunt than both.
Without him I assure you Essendon wouldnt have won any games this year. If we didn't have Ball, I would love him at Collingwood.
That asside, Swan is a better player than Watson, but thats not taking anything away from him.

Bad poll anyway, I'm sick of seeing Collingwood players in the polls, gives everyone a reason to hate on them.

 

[Slattery_20]

That's the comparison, N10.
Ball v Watson is the go. I'd say Watson stacks up pretty well against any in& under in the comp. Judd maybe gets him, bit more mobile around the ground, but IMHO he's in front of Mitchell & Hayes.
These polls are far too often decided on who played better the previous week, anyway.

 

[Number 10]

I'd agree with that, on pure in and under work, he is one of the best. His skills from inside a pack are up there with the best, without being put in the same bracket as a Judd or Hayes by the general football public, simply because he has never been in a well performed team.

It sometimes seems as though if someone doesn't get absolutely battered in packs week in week out (i.e Ball and Hayes), they aren't as good at extracting the ball. When in fact, IIRC based on stats, Watson is.

Anyways, all that being said I still hate Essendon .

 

[Slattery_20]

I'd agree with that, on pure in and under work, he is one of the best. His skills from inside a pack are up there with the best, without being put in the same bracket as a Judd or Hayes by the general football public, simply because he has never been in a well performed team.

It sometimes seems as though if someone doesn't get absolutely battered in packs week in week out (i.e Ball and Hayes), they aren't as good at extracting the ball. When in fact, IIRC based on stats, Watson is.

Anyways, all that being said I still hate Essendon .

He cops plenty of knocks. Gets a bit of the Sam Mitchell treatment, because he's not necessarily the roughest looking bloke out there but he cops plenty. Opposition sides know exactly who to whack when they want to stop us.

 

[Brad Goodman]

That has as much to do with how ordinary the rest of Essendon's midfield is as it does with how good Watson is.

 

[hellfire]

Swan had 30 touches but buggered if I noticed him. Good linkman putting up ridiculous numbers in a very well oiled side.

What an absolutely ridiculous statement.

Will this pathetic argument from opposition supporters never die? Swan is probably the best player of 2010, and people still doubt how good he is. Ludicrous. Week in, week out... he dominates games. There is so much more to his game than racking up numbers... if you can't see that, I pity you... because he is a joy to watch.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Swan.

nuff said