Wayne Carey's Best 20 Players he Has Seen

[Tiger2709]

Solid list but I reckon Ben Cousins has a couple of those players covered. Reckon his fall from grace is going to see his influence wane even further over time.

The King can't condone someone that uses drugs

 

[Tiger2709]

GAJ has more premierships, Brownlows, AAs, MVPs, etc etc than multiple players combined on that list so I think it’s fair to ask the question. It’s probably the biggest issue with his rankings.

Although a stand out at the Suns his leadership was wanting and his willingness to play for them while carrying injury would also lower him on a list weighted on a player's match-winning ability, toughness, leadership and importance to their team.

I'm sure had he stayed at the Cats he would be higher on the list even though he won plenty of on-field accolades at the Suns.

 

[Cotchins Hair Piece]

He’s obviously never seen Jack Watts play the field.

 

[Rod Stroker]

No arch or shwatta?

Both guns, but neither would make the top 20 list of best players in the comp since 87.

I'd have Boomer in ahead before either of them.

 

[R0GUE]

So the question is, who's the glaring omission from his list of 20?

Wanganeen.

 

[Cotchins Hair Piece]

GAJ should be in everyone’s top 10.

 

[Luv_our_club]

Dunstall was amazing but the two things that hold him back in many minds are 1) was part of an amazing side (so delivery was perfect, support amazing and the team first was an option 2) He was boring in the sense he lead, marked and slotted it (everything you want from a full forward)


Lockett would probably rate higher in Carey's mind if he didn't get 500 weeks suspension and focused solely on his footy. Ablett Snr probably higher if he was more team orientated and did suddenly develop a body that looked like he was on performance enhancing gear.

You can add to that:

1. Dunstall had 2 x ACLs, and one skull fracture that almost ended his career. That is a lot of injuries. Plugger had far less injuries.

2. Dunstall gave away, on average, 2 shots on goal per game out of unselfishness, often gimmes - all other gun forwards were selfish, Dunstall was more selfless than even most average forwards.

3. Dunstall applied defensive pressure. Plugger not much.

4. Dunstall had to share the F50 and goals with other great players. Lockett had only Stewy Lowe (Stk) and Oloughin (Syd). I see that as a disadvantage to a great goal kicker.

5. Many of Dunstalls games/goals were finals/grand finals.

6. Lockett got the Sydney Cricket Ground bonus = small ground, one out forward.

7. Hawthorn were very average after 1992.

8. Lockett, unlike G. Ablett, was very committed to footy. He was obsessed most of his career with beating Dunstall.

 

[Rod Stroker]

The King can't condone someone that uses drugs

And yet he has Dusty in there..

 

[Tiger2709]

And yet he has Dusty in there..

You missed the point totally, but I do understand your clubs failed attempt to lure Dusty still hurts.

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[Rod Stroker]

You can add to that:

1. Dunstall had 2 x ACLs, and one skull fracture that almost ended his career. That is a lot of injuries. Plugger had far less injuries.

2. Dunstall gave away, on average, 2 shots on goal per game out of unselfishness, often gimmes - all other gun forwards were selfish, Dunstall was more selfless than most average forwards.

3. Dunstall applied defensive pressure. Plugger not much.

4. Dunstall had to share the F50 and goals with other great players. Lockett had Stewy Lowe and Oloughin.

5. Many of Dunstalls games/goals were finals/grand finals.

6. Lockett got the Sydney Cricket Ground bonus = small ground, one out forward.

7. Hawthorn were very average after 1992.

8. Lockett, unlike G. Ablett, was very committed to footy. He was obsessed most of his career with beating Dunstall.

The argument though is that Dunstall was given silver service by very skilled team mates. More so than Plugger. Plugger had to do more to earn his shots on goal, and still kicked more than anyone else.

 

[Milanista28]

Matty Lloyd unlucky to miss out

 

[Rod Stroker]

You can add to that:

7. Hawthorn were very average after 1992.

They still made finals in 93 (just lost by 15 points), 94 (drew against North but lost in OT), and 96 (lost to Swans by 6 points at SCG).

 

[Pistol Night]

He has said in interviews that Neitz was a tough opponent in his early days as a defender.

Didn't he kick 11 on Neitz one night?

 

[Luv_our_club]

The argument though is that Dunstall was given silver service by very skilled team mates. More so than Plugger. Plugger had to do more to earn his shots on goal, and still kicked more than anyone else.

I don't think "That is the argument". You can't over simplify.

But the silver service argument is valid when comparing other eras, but not players within the same era. Every forward had silver service in the 80's and 90's, including Lockett.

And Dunstall was never the one out FF like Plugger at St Kilda and Sydney. Dunstall had to compete for that service against other great forwards at Hawthorn.

If Dunstall was selfish, and he didn't give away so many goals, and he didn't have so many injuries, then he beats Lockett's goal tally record. It wasn't that much difference numerically.

 

[Cotchins Hair Piece]

Matty Lloyd unlucky to miss out

The velvet sledgehammer. Underrated player.

 

[woota]

Didn't he kick 11 on Neitz one night?

I think a few different defenders were rotated onto Carey in that game and neitz was one of them. Nobody could stop him that night.

 

[Cotchins Hair Piece]

Didn't he kick 11 on Neitz one night?

We would have been tanking.

 

[Underarm]

Didn't he kick 11 on Neitz one night?

Probably why he likes talking him up as a defender.

 

[South of the Yarra]

considering one of them played basically their whole career as a specialist small forward, the other played enough midfield to have a season where he averaged almost 30 touches, it’s probably not an entirely fair comparison.

Daicos won 2 Best and Fairests as a midfielder and kicked 97 in a season as a small for ward. End of story.

 

[AeneasX]

I don't think "That is the argument". You can't over simplify.

But the silver service argument is valid when comparing other eras, but not players within the same era. Every forward had silver service in the 80's and 90's, including Lockett.

And Dunstall was never the one out FF like Plugger at St Kilda and Sydney. Dunstall had to compete for that service against other great forwards at Hawthorn.

If Dunstall was selfish, and he didn't give away so many goals, and he didn't have so many injuries, then he beats Lockett's goal tally record. It wasn't that much difference numerically.

??? There was a ton of spud service in the 80s/90s especially if you played for a poor side, idk if you got some nostalgia glasses on or what but this is quite a strange opinion to hold. Dunstall was the spearhead of a top 3 side in the history of the sport that scored far more often than any team Plugger played for, outside of a handful of guns Lockett's teammates were a bunch of potatoes and he still ended up with 1360 goal whilst missing a fair whack of his prime mainly due to suspension and some injury.

 

[PhatBoy]

Daicos won 2 Best and Fairests as a midfielder and kicked 97 in a season as a small for ward. End of story.

Hmm. One in a season where Collingwood won 4 matches, and the second in a year where he got 19 touches a game.... something tells me he spent a bit of time up forward second time around.

I know Daicos was a champion player. You’re comparing two completely different beasts however.

 

[PhatBoy]

You can add to that:

1. Dunstall had 2 x ACLs, and one skull fracture that almost ended his career. That is a lot of injuries. Plugger had far less injuries.

2. Dunstall gave away, on average, 2 shots on goal per game out of unselfishness, often gimmes - all other gun forwards were selfish, Dunstall was more selfless than even most average forwards.

3. Dunstall applied defensive pressure. Plugger not much.

4. Dunstall had to share the F50 and goals with other great players. Lockett had only Stewy Lowe (Stk) and Oloughin (Syd). I see that as a disadvantage to a great goal kicker.

5. Many of Dunstalls games/goals were finals/grand finals.

6. Lockett got the Sydney Cricket Ground bonus = small ground, one out forward.

7. Hawthorn were very average after 1992.

8. Lockett, unlike G. Ablett, was very committed to footy. He was obsessed most of his career with beating Dunstall.

don’t really have a drama with most points there but the size of the SCG is absolutely irrelevant. If anything smaller ground means more condensed defence

 

[Power Raid]

Daicos won 2 Best and Fairests as a midfielder and kicked 97 in a season as a small for ward. End of story.

loved daicos

it would be between matthews, bartlett, daicos and akermanis as the best ever (that I have seen) for a small who could go through the midfield

 

[Pessimistic]

You can add to that:

1. Dunstall had 2 x ACLs, and one skull fracture that almost ended his career. That is a lot of injuries. Plugger had far less injuries.

2. Dunstall gave away, on average, 2 shots on goal per game out of unselfishness, often gimmes - all other gun forwards were selfish, Dunstall was more selfless than even most average forwards.

3. Dunstall applied defensive pressure. Plugger not much.

4. Dunstall had to share the F50 and goals with other great players. Lockett had only Stewy Lowe (Stk) and Oloughin (Syd). I see that as a disadvantage to a great goal kicker.

5. Many of Dunstalls games/goals were finals/grand finals.

6. Lockett got the Sydney Cricket Ground bonus = small ground, one out forward.

7. Hawthorn were very average after 1992.

8. Lockett, unlike G. Ablett, was very committed to footy. He was obsessed most of his career with beating Dunstall.

would like to say hawks were a top team right up to 1998 when piggy retired, but they weren’t

 

[Seeds]

In order...

Jason Dunstall
Michael Voss
James Hird
Tony Lockett
Chris Judd
Robert Harvey
Greg Williams
Lance Franklin
GAS
Nathan Buckley
Mark Ricciuto
Adam Goodes
Glen Jakovich
Andrew McLeod
Dustin Martin
Jonathon Brown
Stephen Silvagni
Mathew Richardson
GAJ
Paul Kelly

Started with a list of 40 and came up with these 20 names on top. I'd like to see the other 20 names. Surprised that both Abletts are so low. Very surprised that Paul Kelly is on the list. Not surprised that he has Richo on there as I have heard him speak of Richo as a "champion" in the past, but I'm sure plenty will disagree.

The King's men: the best 20 players Wayne Carey has seen

Only three current players make the list of Wayne Carey's top 20, which is weighted on a player's match-winning ability, toughness, leadership and importance to their team.

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Careys just hurt that GAS was a better player then him. Jealousy.