Opinion We could win this week...

[Turka]

With McPharlin out we'll surely be giving Freo a real push.

We thought that last year at the G when the Sandman went down in the first minute.
They're very good at covering injuries.
Jack will like it though.

 

[Spagman]

Time for a statement game. Not that it would mean much against them than it would have last week.

 

[Varicho]

I'd be disappointed if we didn't win by 30+

For the sake of my Sanity, I hope it's a comfortable win...but I'll just take a win.

 

[turtle27]

Adelaide won comfortably enough, then got beat by West Coast. We beast both easily. I know it doesn't work like that, but surely, surely, we just win this.

 

[Wally Matera]

Sorry but I had to change the topic. Also, use the Report button guys, it's there for a reason, don't know how many times I have to say it.

What was there to report, or change? Moderators trigger happy again.

 

[nobulltiger]

Mcguane might be coming back in

 

[Groupie_]

Mcguane might be coming back in

For Azza?

 

[Wally Matera]

Mcguane might be coming back in

Not sure who for. I doubt he has managed to push Azza out. Hardwick experimenting again.....

 

[Kapital city TIGER]

Not sure who for. I doubt he has managed to push Azza out. Hardwick experimenting again.....

. Orren?
Can share tap duties with Griggs

Will be ill if we lose this again.

 

[WATiger86]

What was there to report, or change? Moderators trigger happy again.

I agree. Card the prick, but keep the banter in the thread. It was harmless stuff.

Also, the thread title change is soft as butter. The intent of this thread wasn't to speculate that "We could win this week" against a 13th placed expansion side

 

[Damo80]

On pure talent alone we are a much better side than GC

Questionable. More developed, mature perhaps, but not so sure our list is as good on "pure talent".

 

[Wally Matera]

I agree. Card the prick, but keep the banter in the thread. It was harmless stuff.

Also, the thread title change is soft as butter. The intent of this thread wasn't to speculate that "We could win this week" against a 13th placed expansion side

Board has changed. It used to be cool.

 

[Equus]

What was there to report, or change? Moderators trigger happy again.

Oh the Tigers. Would have finished in the bottom of the 8 anyway..... but what an insipid performance and that is why you have been the laughing stock pof the AFL for 30 years. Spuds

This was to report.

 

[Wally Matera]

Oh the Tigers. Would have finished in the bottom of the 8 anyway..... but what an insipid performance and that is why you have been the laughing stock pof the AFL for 30 years. Spuds

This was to report.

Yeah saw that. But why not leave the post, give the bloke a holiday and give us all something to laugh about. Doesnt explain the change in title which makes us look ridiculous.

 

[Equus]

What was the original title?

 

[Wally Matera]

We're certainties this week...

As opposed to "we could win this week"

Shit... could (!) against GC. **** me. Could!

 

[_Wang_]

Relax dudes we will win

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

op you rated derickx wrong he isn't just shit he's diarrhea

 

[wart101]

Didn't we have the same thread saying how much better our side was then last year that got within a few points of North and that's why we would win?

We are no certainties any week because we lack mental toughness and our players are mental short people.

crock of shit!

 

[JR#8]

Doesnt explain the change in title which makes us look ridiculous.

As opposed to the original title which made us look worse considering we have never beat the GCS before.

Righto.

 

[Tigerbob]

crock of shit!

Is it? When the challenge is there for our players, they don't turn up. They shit themselves.

Eg. Collingwood game. Essendon game. North game.

Sure we win the easy ones when not challenged, when we are hunnted, we fall to bits and players lose their minds. Mentally fragile.

 

[partycorolla]

Is it? When the challenge is there for our players, they don't turn up. They shit themselves.

Eg. Collingwood game. Essendon game. North game.

Sure we win the easy ones when not challenged, when we are hunnted, we fall to bits and players lose their minds. Mentally fragile.

Or, and this may be a bit of shock to the system for you, we are not as good as most of those teams yet....

Ultimately 17 teams fail every year to achieve their ultimate goal. Hawthorn supporters could be forgiven for having the same thoughts you do. They have arguably the best list in the comp and have had since 2008.... they week in and week out destroy teams, yet when push comes to shove in finals, they seemingly can't get it done.

Collingwood didn't manage to win the 2010 premiership at first crack despite a huge statistical dominance in a grand final. Then Buckley was supposedly handed the keys to a flag-ready team and they have under-performed thus far.

St Kilda had a really good list (at least a good 25) for the best part of a decade, yet couldn't get it done.

Essendon started 8-1 last year (or something similar) and couldn't make it, even with some suspect substances...

And you are bitching about a club who has had one winning season in over a decade since 2001 being mentally weak and under-performing against clubs who have probably not had too many losing seasons in that same period of time. Holy crap, talk about unrealistic expectations. They have been disappointing at times during this season but considering we probably played better football (as in style) last year, I'm pretty stoked to be 9-5. If we can get to 12 or 13 wins, I'll be impressed with that too, as that is improvement from a side that was described, not that long ago as the worst side since Fitzroy. Sorry it hasn't happened quicker but wow, your expectations of our current list are clearly unrealistic, if you think the current list with it's experience should be currently outperforming dominant clubs of the last decade. These are clubs that have learned how to do this, it took Geelong years and years to figure it out. We've been competitive against most clubs for just over 12 months. It may take another 12-24 or even more to be super competitive against the power clubs. The Hawks can't beat Geelong now and they are streets ahead of us in list strength.

Yes the North game was crap, really disappointing but so was the Hawks loss to us last year and the Swans, and Essendon's loss to Bris this year and Geelong's loss to Bris, and North's loss to Gold Coast and Carlton's loss to the Sainst and it goes on and on and on. Teams lose to teams when many expect that they won't.... that's part of football. I tipped North and put money on them as I thought their form line and actual performances were better than the ladder suggested and I thought we had slipped into some poor habits against the Saints and Bullies. It's all part of the learning curve

Perhaps you should take a realistic look at where we have come from, what we have achieved, how we are tracking and who we are competing against and where they are, where they have come from and what they have achieved. I tipped North and put money on them as I thought their form line and actual performances were better than the ladder suggested and I thought we had slipped into some poor habits against the Saints and Bullies. I am still pissed off we lost and annoyed with the way we played but it's not the end of the world and very much part of the learning curve.

 

[Tigerbob]

Or, and this may be a bit of shock to the system for you, we are not as good as most of those teams yet....

Ultimately 17 teams fail every year to achieve their ultimate goal. Hawthorn supporters could be forgiven for having the same thoughts you do. They have arguably the best list in the comp and have had since 2008.... they week in and week out destroy teams, yet when push comes to shove in finals, they seemingly can't get it done.

Collingwood didn't manage to win the 2010 premiership at first crack despite a huge statistical dominance in a grand final. Then Buckley was supposedly handed the keys to a flag-ready team and they have under-performed thus far.

St Kilda had a really good list (at least a good 25) for the best part of a decade, yet couldn't get it done.

Essendon started 8-1 last year (or something similar) and couldn't make it, even with some suspect substances...

And you are bitching about a club who has had one winning season in over a decade since 2001 being mentally weak and under-performing against clubs who have probably not had too many losing seasons in that same period of time. Holy crap, talk about unrealistic expectations. They have been disappointing at times during this season but considering we probably played better football (as in style) last year, I'm pretty stoked to be 9-5. If we can get to 12 or 13 wins, I'll be impressed with that too, as that is improvement from a side that was described, not that long ago as the worst side since Fitzroy. Sorry it hasn't happened quicker but wow, your expectations of our current list are clearly unrealistic, if you think the current list with it's experience should be currently outperforming dominant clubs of the last decade. These are clubs that have learned how to do this, it took Geelong years and years to figure it out. We've been competitive against most clubs for just over 12 months. It may take another 12-24 or even more to be super competitive against the power clubs. The Hawks can't beat Geelong now and they are streets ahead of us in list strength.

Yes the North game was crap, really disappointing but so was the Hawks loss to us last year and the Swans, and Essendon's loss to Bris this year and Geelong's loss to Bris, and North's loss to Gold Coast and Carlton's loss to the Sainst and it goes on and on and on. Teams lose to teams when many expect that they won't.... that's part of football. I tipped North and put money on them as I thought their form line and actual performances were better than the ladder suggested and I thought we had slipped into some poor habits against the Saints and Bullies. It's all part of the learning curve

Perhaps you should take a realistic look at where we have come from, what we have achieved, how we are tracking and who we are competing against and where they are, where they have come from and what they have achieved. I tipped North and put money on them as I thought their form line and actual performances were better than the ladder suggested and I thought we had slipped into some poor habits against the Saints and Bullies. I am still pissed off we lost and annoyed with the way we played but it's not the end of the world and very much part of the learning curve.

All well and good but the difference in performance when we are challenged to when we play easy beats does show a significant slide. We are never in contests. Its something more than look at how far we have come. Putting our head in the sand won't achieve anything. If, and its a big if, we make finals, this is what we are going to face. I don't think we can cope at the minute with this.

If we don't ask questions and push to get better we never will.

Why do our players make so many more errors in these games? Why is the performances so far off? What is it about big build up games that our players cannot perform in.

Make no mistake, the Essendon performance and North performance were two of the worst performances seen. Both times the coach blamed the players inability to turn up and listen to instructions. What is that telling you? Even the Collingwood game there was this involved. Why are our players getting spooked in these games. I'd rather ask questions than just say oh we are coming from a low base so it will turn around. To me, this is the reason why so many don't achieve goals. They simply think it will happen and don't ask questions to improve.

I do not think this is a development thing, rather it is a mental thing. It won't simply just turn around, in my opinion. If your opinion differs all well and good, I just think our players can't handle when they are hunted.

 

[Tigey]

Richmond over 39 1/2 points

 

[partycorolla]

All well and good but the difference in performance when we are challenged to when we play easy beats does show a significant slide. We are never in contests. Its something more than look at how far we have come. Putting our head in the sand won't achieve anything. If, and its a big if, we make finals, this is what we are going to face. I don't think we can cope at the minute with this.

If we don't ask questions and push to get better we never will.

Why do our players make so many more errors in these games? Why is the performances so far off? What is it about big build up games that our players cannot perform in.

Make no mistake, the Essendon performance and North performance were two of the worst performances seen. Both times the coach blamed the players inability to turn up and listen to instructions. What is that telling you? Even the Collingwood game there was this involved. Why are our players getting spooked in these games. I'd rather ask questions than just say oh we are coming from a low base so it will turn around. To me, this is the reason why so many don't achieve goals. They simply think it will happen and don't ask questions to improve.

I do not think this is a development thing, rather it is a mental thing. It won't simply just turn around, in my opinion. If your opinion differs all well and good, I just think our players can't handle when they are hunted.

I agree with a lot of this Bob, but I think where we differ, is that you fail to recognise (at least outwardly) that mental development exists, in all people, not just footballers. The players have got to learn how to mentally deal with greater expectations. This group (well the nucleus since DH has been here) have had to learn how to compete against any opposition (we could barely do that in 2009 before DH and early in 2010 we weren't great, not Melb bad, but not brilliant), then they have learned how to be more consistent, then they have shown how to win games they really should or could win and this year they have beaten most opposition we have been tipped too, with North the obvious exception but we were way to short in the odds. The development doesn't stop, it's ongoing and perhaps the biggest hurdle is learning to compete against those good sides now that we are expected to.... in the past, no-one expected us to do any good, so it was easier to exceed those expectations.

I certainly agree with you we are better when we hunt than when we are hunted but in the games against Ess, Coll and Geelong, it should have been us that was doing the hunting.... North was a shocker, no doubt but if anyone thinks we have finished with our development, they are kidding themselves. I am looking to see how we learn from it....

If we make finals, I also agree we won't do much damage but the experience couldn't be a bad thing. Who knows, we go in as underdogs, that's when we play best....