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I know that this is a long way off, and much can happen in a year, but it is on the same topic as a small forward. Would everyone be against picking up someone like Garlett in next years draft? Kid is a freak, and is an area that we do lack.
Sam Mayes or Garlett would do very good on the HHF!!
Sam Mayes or Garlett would do very good on the HHF!!
We won't really know what we will need to draft until the end of next year.
At the start of 2011, we all thought that our ruck stocks were not too bad with Graham showing promising signs and Vickery still developing. We were actually crying out for a CHF. Now without the need for drafting or trading, our forward stocks are in a great position. I think our small tall stocks, even though not quality, are still plentiful. We'd still have to wait a few years for Gartlett to come on. We are better off putting our hopes that out of MacDonald, Turner, O'Hanlon and Maric, a few of them will come on.
I personally want us to draft Brodie Grundy. By the end of the year, by the assumption that Maric is clearly our number 1 ruckman, Graham will have most likely been delisted, Derrickx will be on the fringe of being delisted and behind Maric our best ruckman is A.Browne who by all accounts hasn't done or shown much apart from having a big ticker. Hence, best ruckman in that draft might slip to us and we may have another developing tall through our stocks.
What makes you say that ?Could be the suprise packet for us in 2012 and young Browne just needs a bit of time and iron out a few things and improve.
Looking forward to see if he can pull his finger out and do the hard yards.
He can play the game, there is no doubt about that!
He can play the game, there is no doubt about that!
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D-Mac is on personal leave for an indefinite amount of time. If that rolls into the season proper id to see mini Maric promoted to the senior list to show what he's capable of as a small forward.
speak for yourself. some of us said they were in poor shape despite having some numbers graham vickery deickx and browne. totally pointless having numbers if they cant play or perform the role.even with maric this question of quality comes into play.
no our forward stocks are not in good shape.we have just two talls jack and vickery who are established and have then relied on miller to perform the third tall role.one could certainly see why they went and got elton.
if astbury is a defender theres only griffiths left and todd elton.
again we have the numbers but its yet to be proven if we have enough quality at least with the forwards unlike the ruckmen theres real potential there.
thirdly no we dont have plentiful numbers when it comes to specialist small / med forwards adequate numbers maybe, and as you say lacking quality which probably means we dont have enough who are up to standard.
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Certainly lacking in the small forward department. I still think Nahas is a lock on a flank because it seems he can just run and run and has the defensive pressure side to his game. King is a foot soldier who I think was found out by round 12 last year, and after that there isn't really anything...
Edwards would be a 'smart' forward if he had a better shot on him, and then all we really have is McDonald, Turner and now Connors too who has apparently been training forward.
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Goes to show, that we recruited the right guy at the wrong time. How good would our FL be if we swooped on a Browny type next year. 
smalls
a maric
g turner
j king defensive for.
mediums
macdonald
ohanlon
connors maybe. has some tricks but imo really needs to become a mid/for
he certainly wont play accountable footy when forward.
as far as i can see we are seeking at least one preferably two sml/med highly skilled quick goalkickers. players who work hard when they dont have it.
to me an ideal would be ohanlon macdonald and one of maric turner makes it.
when one considers where they were taken thats a big ask.
neither edwards or nahas has the neccesary polish and both rely heavily on run to perform at a decent level. the only redeeming attribute edwards has imo is his motor.
to me edwards is a spud.
nahas should be a part of midfield rotations. he proved his worth and played decent footy when allowed to run the lines.
Goes to show, that we recruited the right guy at the wrong time. How good would our FL be if we swooped on a Browny type next year.
good point. browny would be our rioli or garlett or milne or johnson this is what we need to find.
we are obviously not prepared to use a decent draft pick on this type when you look at where we have taken these types of players.
whats that old saying pay peanuts get monkeys.or in this case a high fail rate.
it may well be we will have to trade for a real quality sml forward who can be a part of rotations.
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not yet dude. Lets bake the cake properly, before we add the cream. I have said it before, build, build, build, get to a point, take a look at what you need to make the quantum leap and pull out the cash and get it.
As for rioli, back when i was terrorising PRE and rosy, i was shot down in flames, suggesting we pull out all stops to get him at tigerland at all costs as a kid. The ****ing fools..
City Search
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Is there a reason I always get deja vu whenever I read this thread???
not yet dude. Lets bake the cake properly, before we add the cream. I have said it before, build, build, build, get to a point, take a look at what you need to make the quantum leap and pull out the cash and get it.
As for rioli, back when i was terrorising PRE and rosy, i was shot down in flames, suggesting we pull out all stops to get him at tigerland at all costs as a kid. The ****ing fools..
i agree but i was talking about taking say someone like kieran harper with a second rounder. north took him at pick 27. to me 2nd rnd picks are very good/ decent picks.
our sml/med forwards.
king - rookie pick
turner - rookie pick
maric - rookie pick
macdonald - 51 nd 3rd rnd.
ohanlon - psd
even the debatable ones
nahas - rookie pick
connors - 58 nd
white - psd
ever wonder why we have found it so hard to find and establish v/good sml/med forwards.
thats the current bunch what about before them
pederson - 60
roberts - rookie
hicks - rookie
morton - trade 35
brown - trade 6 20
collard - rookie
gilligan - rookie
taylor 51 nd 4th rnd
apart from browny and morton we have not used a decent pick on a small/ med forward with the exception of macdonald who was a third rounder.
we all know the fail rate with late nd psd and rookie picks is very high it certainly is reflected at richmond with our sml/med forwards.
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Yep have to agree, but I still hold on to a bit of faith in unearthing a competitive, if not a real good med size forward with what we have now to work with. I still think Connors is yet to deliver the goods and after cutting his teeth across HB, hopefully somewhat learning defensive skills and also learning the HF craft from opposition HFs, he might yet turn out to be an answer. Tipping we really had high hopes for Taylor, but we also were wary of what could and did unfold.
Apart from that we are at least not wasting to much time now and cut our losses with failed picks.
I would suggest there is a distinct pattern to your lists above, which leads me to believe that the club is following a plan. i.e. addressing more important holes in our list with high end picks and throwing the dice with rookie and low end picks, to maybe hit a jackpot for HF.
If and when we get to the point where our important deficiencies are ticked off, then we look at what is on offer at the time and use our high end picks to get what we want if we can, which is usually the case, there is always a ready made HF goal sneak looking for more money, using our low end picks to develop a sustainable list with youngsters.
I for one would have swooped on someone like Ebert. Who we had a nibble at but unfortunately he is one of those loyal died in the wool SA dudes..
There will be more so we wait and be selective.
You never know though dude. Dusty might yet grow another inch and then look out..he outmarked that imbecile ruckman from the bummers one on one..so anything is possible with that kid.
it's a valid argument this, for mine a crafty mid size forward is the missing link in our front half. We are pretty well off for talls with JR8 and Vickers and a couple more that will press their claims. Nahas showed he can be menacing with 30 + goals and Kingy too did at times, though it worried me his season faded out with the increased attention, a challenge that Nahas ultimately overcome.
Maric and Bo Hanlan will both get their chances to stake a claim in this impressive front half...Im tipping Maric will be in the side R 1
Maric and Bo Hanlan will both get their chances to stake a claim in this impressive front half...Im tipping Maric will be in the side R 1
i understand the premise but i will say the overall goals from our fwds is actually not bad.5 players with 20 goals + was only us and another club but all reports. i would certainly take this as its our team defense that is woeful.
yea on the surface not bad flea but I tellya , a good mix is required if we are to WIN enough games to be around at the business end of the year. Both JR8 and TV are going to cop and awful lot of attention in 2012...they'll break through that for the main but in the times they dont, boy would it be handy to have that Lecras type that can bob up with 2-4 ea week off as many kicks...thats generally the difference in winning those tussles where an opposition will successfully put the clamps on our talls
ha by no means am i saying i wouldnt take a lecras like player either!
Yep. Gotta keep plugging away. As Santa says it's a numbers game, we're due to pull one out. Gibson certainly has a similar pedigree to many small forwards running around the league.
Better uses for high draft picks at the moment. I think more quality mids and project talls will get us more bang for our early picks. Once we have some midfield depth we can use an early pick on a top rated small forward. At the moment I think we have much bigger needs that we should be addressing with our best picks for now.
CallMeAl
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True, just as not too many of the top defenders were drafted as defenders
Spot on. Get the midfield on top and all the forwards will look dangerous, and by the way, the defence won't look so brittle.
So I'm not desperate to find a stand lone gun small forward until the mid rotations are locked away. We are maybe not that far away from this point but I don't think it's a high priority atm.
I reckon Nahas and King kicked enough goals in 2011 in an ordinary side and so if we improve in the midfield then they should be equally, if not more effective this year.
nope thats wrong. lots of clubs had 5 or more players kick 20 or more goals.not sure what to read into the stats though so many things determine why.
the numbers at each club and the specialist sml/med forwards.
ad 3 - dangerfield 23.
br 4 - mcgrath 26, banfield 24.
ca 5 - betts 50, garlett 48. tempted to add walker.
co 9 - sidebottom 25, blair 26, beams 21, krakouer 35, some spent good time in the midfield.
ess 8 - zarahakis 31, monfries 31, jetta 27, reimers 27. again some spent time good time midfield
fre 4 - mayne 25, ballantyne 23,
gee 9 - johnson 50, stokes 29, varcoe 31, duncan 22, menzel 28. bartel and chapman who both spend significant time forward boyh kicked more than 20
gc 1 -
ha 5 - rioli 29, osborne 21, breust 30.
mel 4 - green 37 , jurrah 40
nm 4 - edwards 36
pa 3 - gray 32
ri 5 - king 25 nahas 29
stk 3 - milne 56
syd 4 - mcglynn 30
wce 7 - le cras 47
wb 3 - giansiracusa 45 goals played as a small for.
